Immaterialism

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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99, Smelly

Very thought provoking posts. Thank you.

I agree organisations of all descriptions sadly seem often times to shift from an initial 'few like minds' co-operating into being dominated by a personality or personalities or those who wish to be in control of something.

However isn't that the problem control, that's an illusion too.

BTW Hobbit - I love your posts too!

Everyone can do as they like.

I couldn’t ever tell anyone ‘don’t’ again.

It’s all in the grin.

How is it, the name that shall not be mentioned is the only topic of conversation left here? Dude has like 1K followers on a tiny YT channel. Compare that to a real disinfo hoax outlet like Secureteam 10.

I won't disparage Dan or Ron here. But in two years following this forum on and off all I've read are riddles and solipsism. I'm willing to go down the rabbit hole to some pretty weird places, but this rabbit hole keeps branching ever deeper and seems more an infinite regress than any path with an epistemological termination point. Dan hasn't attracted followers because he doesn't put a stake down and speak in understandable terms. His verbal circumlocutions and evasions do him and whatever movement he wants to create a disservice.

Clarity, please.

Dan: Write a book. No, seriously. Put your ideas in cogent order and tell people to read that stuff. Might also help build audience.

Is that what’s happening here PF?

I prefer to be fooled, it’s more fun to play along in the end.

I don’t know what is going to happen.

I just do as it likez personally.

Who here can judge any of this?

Not I.

I have no agenda here.

That’s what makes this meaningful to me.

Still, it all just happens.

A wonder.

Cuan Scott wrote:99, Smelly

Very thought provoking posts. Thank you.

I agree organisations of all descriptions sadly seem often times to shift from an initial 'few like minds' co-operating into being dominated by a personality or personalities or those who wish to be in control of something.

However isn't that the problem control, that's an illusion too.

BTW Hobbit - I love your posts too!

Right, it is an illusion and many 'followers' of those types DO eventually catch on to that and drop out of those groups. This also partly explains why so many UFO forums have failed over the years and why there are so few truly active ufo forums on the internet now. People got sick of the lies and deceptions perpetrated by those who ran those forums and those personalities they created and promoted for one reason or another to attract more members... and more. Only the most populated forums remain but they are not nearly as active as they once were... and this is a good thing. The new and up and coming self-styled guru-wannabes are now using YouTube but they are at a disadvantage than the ones who came before them because they don't have the same kind of support and backing that the ones who came before them (or in their previous incarnation) had when operating on a forum. So those ones have to work a lot harder at convincing people that they are who and what they claim to be. They have to be a jack-of-all-trades... a guru/contactee etc...   AND good at self-promotion too.

99, you've nuked posts of mine because I mentioned the name you refuse to stop discussing. Whatever the dude does off site is his business. It doesn't matter.

Grant Cameron says Aliyah is an alien from a pod who can summon portals from the beyond to out there. This is something Ron and Dan don't appear to want to confirm or deny, much less explain what's meant by it. Dan talks in circles and Ron says nothing but bad poetry. And yet you guys expect to build a following.

Put a stake in the ground. Are you guys going all David Wilcock, Corey Goode, and Laura Eisenhower GaiaTV? They have a PR firm and money to burn for their nut audience gathering. But they also tell stories about time traveling to Mars through Stargates working in a Secret Space Program. They offer something simple audiences want to hear. It may make less sense than change from an empty cash register, but it least it goes ding! when the drawer opens and there's a place to stuff the money coming in.

You can't just not talk, or worse, talk about what isn't and expect people to listen. You have to say something. With clarity. Even if it's nonsense.

Here's an idea: Anthony Bordain meets Richard Dolan. Start up a UFO cooking channel! You know, I went to planet Serpo, met the local bug eyed gray inhabitants, and whipped up an angel hair shrimp gumbo that's outta this world! Eat up, before the UFO pasta sublimates off your plate.

Terrible idea? Yeah. But with the right esotericist kitsch, people would actually love it.

Want to talk eschatological philosophy? Write a book. Cite the thing so people can follow your points. Sell it. And then refer people to your book so we can all follow along. Claim it was channeled and you might build a following that way too. It doesn't have to make sense. I mean, people ate up  Seth Speaks too.

Ron: You can't both argue against the reality of UFOs and PSI while simultaneously selling the idea your wife is an alien who can summon astral portals to another dimension. Pick one.

Dan: You can't claim to offer a great truth without speaking common sense in clear terms for an audience to understand. Write a book. You learned research methods. Use that skill. I mean this seriously.  

I harbor no ill will to you guys. But you have to put meat on the table if you expect people to sit down to eat.

I put bedbugs on the table.  They are the biggest obstacle to immaterialism, in my estimation.

If ‘we’ can explain bedbugs, we explain life and everything.

dan wrote:I put bedbugs on the table.  They are the biggest obstacle to immaterialism, in my estimation.  

If ‘we’ can explain bedbugs, we explain life and everything.  

No explanation needed you foolish old fool.

You are the experience

God, how dumb are you?!

Well, smiley, if you can explain your explanation, we will almost be home free.

99: two. But who's counting. Soon to be three.

Wait a minute, 99, let’s try to be a little cool.

I am on voice communication with AP. I don’t think you are being fair with him. Please call. Do you have my phone number?

Do you want me to send you his emails on that? Let me know... I'll gladly do that.

99,

I agree with your sentiments that we move on. I don't think this forum or Dan's thread is the place for arguing and or creating problems.

Is it not 'Open Minds forum' currently focusing on Immaterialism?

Lets all get back to Bed bugs!!

Smelly - need your explanation please and your wisdom

Please, let’s move on......

AP is kibitzing but not participating.

dan wrote:Well, smiley, if you can explain your explanation, we will almost be home free.  

The explanation of all of this has to be beyond thought and word.

You are the explanation.

Us all here together is the only explanation relateable and self evident.

But of course we all know this.

We just don’t accept it.

I don’t know why we don’t, because this is how it is.

We can only talk this weird way about our situation, it really is only our subjective experience we have as any evidence of our being.

This is not some conjecture from a depressed goat.

I’m being as serious as I can be without hitting you over the head with it.

I do not have an exclusive claim or mission.

I see more and more where I fit into things is all.

APretender is fine as he is, I have to accept all of us are fine in our various states of awakening.

wk plays with me and tries to knock me over.

I guess we all have a burden for something.

Life can be heavy until it becomes easy abiding in it needing no explanation.

No explanation I or Dan or anyone could come up with would satisfy.

Does that mean we should all shut up?

Have to do something to pass the time

I do love to sit for tea and chat about the nature of being, I have only been looking for playmates.

I found a few I will treasure.

I have always wanted to know what it feels like to be Dan Smith or anyone.

I know what it feels like to be me, but I can’t help but be curious and come here to this odd place, trying to be a conspiracy theorist.

I’m not very good at it I confess.

For me, this is a fun place to write surreal things.

We are sponsoring an essay contest!

The topic is "Kevin & Joe, Saving the World Through Science and Metaphysics."

Winner will receive an invitation to dine with Kevin & Joe at their reception at a very special international award ceremony.

Deadline is 15 September.

Submissions should be emailed to WCM.

Hope you win!

I’m chasing the Moon tonight...dedicated to my new friend wk, well met.

All you have to do to play the game is fall in love...



Why worry?

The topic is "Kevin & Joe, Saving the World Through Science and Metaphysics."

Too bad Kevin & Joe, science and metaphysics CANNOT save the world.

My sense is that would not be the winning essay.

GSB/SSR wrote:The topic is "Kevin & Joe, Saving the World Through Science and Metaphysics."

Too bad Kevin & Joe, science and metaphysics CANNOT save the world.

You can only save your self, only you...only you, but no one needs saving.

If that is confusing, it is only your confusion I assure you, but no one can give you assurance but you.

If that is preachy wk, you will please indulge my silly notion that one can live free and once free can sing to others in hope they loose their own bonds. Poetry and heartsong is a natural aroma of human beings, we have just forgotten who we are during the long sleep.

I could sing forever and have from limitless breath, partvof me is eternal, no doubt, so there butthead, the rest is a snake skin that will be shed soon enough. And then I shall have another form and another and another, forever and forever.

I wonder how many it has occurred to that life is not a mistake and made the best of it, dumb materialists.

On a personal note, I am soooooo much more enlightened than you wk, bahahahahaha. Now bow down and lick my Daimon Lord boot you 60s burnout who could be my Dad

I wish someone like you would have been my Dad, because you ARE that old, but then I may not have ended up with this charming personality.

Use the voice...

Ha.

“He is free who lives as he wills, who is subject neither to compulsion, nor hindrance, nor force, whose choices are unhampered, whose desires attain their end, whose aversions do not fall into what they would avoid. Who, then, wishes to live in error? — No one.

Who wishes to live deceived, impetuous, unjust, unrestrained, peevish, abject? — No one.

Therefore, there is no bad man who lives as he wills, and accordingly no bad man is free. And who wishes to live in grief, fear, envy, pity, desiring things and failing to get them, avoiding things and falling into them? — No one at all.

Do we find, then, any bad man free from grief or fear, not falling into what he would avoid, nor failing to achieve what he desires? — No one.

Then we find no bad man free, either.”

—Epictetus - From Discourse on Freedom