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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism 4

Post by dan on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:24 am

This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 3 thread.......

The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
should be substituted here......

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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by dan on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:30 am

So, by all means, let’s continue with who is going to eat whose shorts....... very informative, by the way.......
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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:53 am

Dan, did you even get to see Joe's machine while you were here?
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Post by dan on Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:02 am

The simple answer is ‘no’, but after that it gets complicated........

I tried calling Aaron....... he didn’t pick up.  

Would anyone else like to discuss what is going on.......?

Just give me a call...... 443799seventwoohone......

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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:17 pm

I spoke with Dan today and learned a few things.

Charlie and Charlene are two visitors Dan christened in the early 90s.

Dan thought he might meet Charlie again at the lake when he stopped by for a visit but they weren't able to meet up.

Charlene is the Princess.

Charlie is Ron.

(Sounds like a lot of smoke and mirrors Dan)

That's the news from nowhere via the Chicken Little.

Note to self: Maybe Charlene and Charlie are the names of Dan's Daimons or maybe his Holy Guardian Angels.

I also learned that Kevin is a magician.

Kevin believes that the orbs of light are either angels or demons.
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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by smelly on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:32 pm

I think Dan’s friends are just some kinky swingers he met who really are into UFOs.

Bahahaha

If you didn’t know, Dan is kinda a perv Wink

I’m just a goat who loves the Goddess in any form I can find her.

My Daimon is pissed at me I think though.

She’s so uptight.

Just relax Dark Princess.

I’m expecting bolts of lightening any minute.

Imma naughty goat.
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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:35 pm

The Princess believes in the many world hypothesis, that there are roughly 10 billion worlds if you account for the number of humans who have died as well.

Dan questions the many world hypothesis stating, "how can there be more than one best possible world?"
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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36 pm

In other news, Marissa is upset with smelly.

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At work we release new versions of our web application once a month. We use different themes each year to name our releases. We have done movie themes, albums, video games, and a few others. Each year we vote for next years theme. Someone at work suggested doing a muppet theme for next year and it actually won the vote, so starting in January our software releases will be named after muppets.

Bwahaha

We just wrapped up our December release last week, so our next release in January we are starting our Muppet theme for 2019.

January will be named the Swedish Chef release.


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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by smelly on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:40 pm

Uh uh.

Marissa looooooves her smelly goat.

But my Daimon is pissed.

She’s very possessive.

The moon has a crush on me.

Relax ladies, more than enough of me to go around.
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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:44 pm

Isn't it like 4 am or something where you are smelly?

Smelly has a crush on himself, how cute.
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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by GrandCru on Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:27 pm

Aaron wrote:The Princess believes in the many world hypothesis, that there are roughly 10 billion worlds if you account for the number of humans who have died as well.

Dan questions the many world hypothesis stating, "how can there be more than one best possible world?"

Aaron-

Would love to see how you arrived at the 10 billion number.
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Post by GSB/SSR on Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:49 pm

Physicists prefer powers of ten for really big numbers ... and small numbers ... human population is approaching 10 to the 10 (ten billion)





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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:35 pm

I'm not %100 sure where the number 10 billion came from. Maybe she accidentally dropped a 0 from the end or maybe you have to remove all the NPCs from the equation or maybe it is a specific haplogroup, or maybe it is only the descendants of the Aryan race or maybe even a starseed race.

I didn't ask the details, but I was told the calculation is complicated.

Note: I have never spoken to the Princess about NPCs or haplogroups or the Aryan race, those are just random thoughts I came up with on the fly.

Or maybe history is much shorter than most people believe...
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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:26 pm

None of that multiple worlds vs one world stuff matters....

It's all fake news, back to what is real now.

Straight on.
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Post by smelly on Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:28 pm

Maybe spend some time talking to your self.

It will be much more fruitful than talking to anyone else.

Just sayin, like, duh, muppet.
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Post by Aaron on Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Ah ha!

I make most sense in goat form.
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:52 am

If a goat makes sense, it is a divine accident.
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Post by GSB/SSR on Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:58 am

Will constructor theory place a limit on Dan's (immaterial) Best Possible World? Stay tuned to find out ...



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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:44 am

Wrapping up my reading of Louv. I am starting Planet Narnia, which argues that the 7 books of the Narnia series are actually a trip through the seven heavens/seven planets of Medieval thought. The author also uses other writings of Lewis - such as the Space Trilogy - to substantiate his argument.

Interestingly enough, in the intro, he argues that Lewis was indeed a mysterious and somewhat elusive person. He was enraptured by the idea of personal identity, masks, and finding true identity, as reflected in His book "Till We Have Faces." Seems that Lewis was in tune with Muppetdom, but went a different direction with it than some of you...
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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:52 am

My wife was about 100 meters from the Strasbourg shooter in a restaurant with invited colleagues after attending a lecture. Nobody in the restaurant was injured, but she did hear the shots. The restaurant owner closed up, put curtains on the windows, and the city ordered everyone to stay inside. So she didn't get home until very late. The city is very quiet right now. Schools were closed. Metal shutters are pulled everywhere. And the streets are bereft of normal traffic.

May the dead rest in peace and the injured recover quickly.

Speaking of the material in this 'immaterial world'.
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:13 am

Hell and Heaven

This is no longer about the BPW, but about how to unify Aristotle’s dualistic division of spirt and matter.

Catch up.

Some notes from the Green Man Book Dan and I are reading...

Mystical Imaginative Metaphysics shows that Man becomes all things by NOT understanding them, for when he does not understand, he merges and becomes them by transforming himself into them.

Smelly goat is my own example of transforming into them.

This is the other half of the pie you have to catch up on.

Education here on OMF is not training in technique, but initiation into the mystery.

When Reason is your God, the repressed returns, monstrous, titanic.

This is what the UFO phenomena is about.

Myths or mythic moves, open spaces. Rational accounts limit them. But this is necessary. Both are necessary. We are living in the post Enlightenment age where we live amidst the wreckage of the spilt between the Rational and Irrational.

Science is limit!!!!!!

It is the mythic experience, the mythic imagination that opens, reveals depth and mystery, which places the human in the context of the nonhuman, and so, forces retreat, humility, and awe, in spaces beyond our will.

Active imagination is the key.

Consider the following triad of First Principles: Mythos, Topos and Logos. The function of myth is to open, to reveal depth, complexity, mystery, and enigma, and the connections to the nonhuman.

Topic: Place. The pre-Socratics associated any kind of being with spatial existence—all being has a place.

Logos: This is speech and word, a rational account, a true account, distinguished from myth.

Hell is right here, and today we live in it; together we make it up. There are only two ways to avoid suffering in this hell. The first way out is easy for most people: Let he’ll be, live it up, and stop noticing it. The second way is risky. It demands constant attentive curiosity to find out who and what in the midst of this hell is not part of it, so as to make it last by giving space to it.

So we are making our way through Hell together.

Only those who recognize the nightmare of non-discrete space can regain the certainty of their own intimacy and thereby dwell in the presence of one another.

Until then you are a muppet.

After, you are a shape shifting muppet released from the Rational only trap.

We have come to the end of materialism. We have no more places in which to dwell, only spaces in which to move.

Irrationality is not safe, there are mirages and illusions and DAIMONS here.

The imaginary can be innocuous, but the imaginal never is. Materialist empiricism is more dangerous though, because it pretends to be safe, controlling. The World is not safe.

Pretenders all.

We appear in Psyche and must reconnect and participate with it using pathos seen in Corbin’s Creative Imagination,  Blake’s Jesus as Imagination or Coleridge’s Primary Imagiation.

Matter and space are generated together. We uncover in the mythic space, in Psyche, the primal conjunction of the concrete and the uncertain; the fecundity of the void.

It is just here, at this origin, where mystery and certainty coincide, where the waters and the earth divide, where the symmetries are broken and the metaphoric and the literal separate, where we cannot keep our balance—it is here, in the realm of the inhuman, both divine and Daimonic, where meaning is born.

This is the Mundus Imaginalis of Corbin. And we cannot keep our balance. Myth gives way to Reason. Revelation to Orthodoxy and Fundamentalism. Empiricism must begin. This empiricism demands an attention and a sensibility for the subtleties we have largely lost.

Prescenses then, not just motions; forms, not explanations.

Jung writes the psyche we appear in creates reality every day. It is not in our heads, we exist in it.

If we want to make sense of the cosmos, of rocks and persons both, we must make moves that seem ridiculous to modern, hard-headed materialists. To recover our senses, or sense of what matters, to breath once more the life of the world, we must move not toward matter as we have come to conceive it, as it’s masters, but, seemingly, away. We’ve been pushing matter around for a long time now. It pushes back now apocalyptically.

Oh my Wink

Let me be explicit about what I intend. First, what we think of as reality is a restriction, an immense constriction of existence. Second,  scientific materialism is non-sense, and acceptance of its premises leaves us insensate. We must be willing to except the reality of depth psychology’s psyche, of Corbin‘s mundus imaginalis, of the soul of the world. Or, if that seems to exotic, recall Blake and Coleridge in the romantic claims for the primacy of the imagination.

I wonder if you all really know what Dan and I are on about here.

We must dance or go mad mad mad!

We are dumb about matter, and we are hopelessly muddled about things spiritual. Technological metaphors and technical literalisms are undermining the very possibility of experiencing ourselves as whole persons.

We rush headlong into the oblivion of Progress and information and finally Apocalypse. Existence of persons requires transcendence, which is incompatible with public reason.

We are deluded into believing that knowledge reveals and illuminates the clear and distinct idea of Truth; that it brings power and control. We are victims of a continuous withdrawal, but this implies the possibility of Return.

All the dualisms of the modern world stem from the loss of the mundus imaginalis for Corbin; matter is cut off from spirt, sensation from iintellection, subject from object, inner from outer, myth from history, the individual from the divine.

This is the channel to stay tuned to folks, the rest is just non-sense.

We have suffered a metaphysical tragedy and this has given rise to modernity and the loss of awareness of the soul of the world.

The Daimon within us is an agent of Active Intellect.

“It is only the things we don’t understand that have any meaning.”  - Carl Jung

The Indian thought the white man in US insane driven by restless wanting. Whites think with their heads, the Indian and mystical thinks with their heart.

Corbin writes of the Sufis, the divine descent into form never ceases, nor does their simultaneous rise. Epiphany and Return always happening at once. That’s why the other world already exists in this world, in every moment in relation to every being.

DT Suzuki a Zen Master said with a grin, “see this spoon, this spoon now exists in Paradise...We are now in Heaven.”

Nothing else is worth talking about than this and our work is to activate our active imagination.

Or you are simply lost in non-sense, such is the life of a muppet.


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Re: Immaterialism 4

Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am

See this smelly goat, this smelly goat now exists in Paradise...We are non Heaven.

I had to read that post twice.

One hell of a post.

Definitely a 5 neon pegasus post.

How do you put into words that which cannot be put into words?

You don't.

Nobody is writing these words.

The words write themselves.

The words appear spontaneously out of darkness and silence and return to them just as quickly.

Without silence there are no words and without words there is no silence.

These words are not meaningful without active imagination, and that is their meaning.

Do not try to engage in active imagination, you are the active imagination.

Close your eyes and look deep within by looking far and wide without.

Lau Tzu said the Tao that can be told/written is not the eternal tao, but the eternal and the temporary are one in the same.

The Tao that can be told is the eternal Tao.

The Tao that cannot be told is also the eternal Tao.

The Tao is the Tao and there is nothing that is not the Tao.

Silence and song are no different from each other than life and death.

Death is life and life is death.
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:16 pm

The merger of the irrational and rational and expression of them is what we are.

It is living irrationally only or rationally that causes the dualism and is non-sense.

We are Logos, Topos and Mythos all at once.

We are coming and going at once.

We are in Hell and Heaven at the same time.

When Lao said it can’t be spoken, he means avoid dualism.

He wrote those words from the rational, echoing and nodding to the irrational we appear in.

There be monsters here, we are the monsters, but there are bigger ones who are growing due to our dualistic refusal to acknowledge them.

We avoid a shared Apocalypse, by each of us having a mini one and each of us becoming whole.

My words are a true account of the mythos, but limited in nature as word.

Some languages are more rich and can give better accounts of the mythos.

English is a trap that keeps you in the lines mostly, all words are coming from the mythos layer, but they are limited.
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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:00 pm



Was reading some Huxley today. Huxley studied consciousness using Psychedelic drugs.

Huxley dove deep into Big Mind with his experiments.

According to The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley,

Each person is at each moment capable of remembering all that has ever happened to him and of perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe. The function of the brain and nervous system is to protect us from being overwhelmed and confused by this mass of largely useless and irrelevant knowledge, by shutting out most of what we should otherwise perceive or remember at any moment, and leaving only that very small and special selection which is likely to be practically useful. According to such a theory, each one of us is potentially Mind at Large.

In The Doors of Perception, Huxley also stated: "In the final stage of egolessness there is an 'obscure knowledge' that All is in all—that All is actually each. This is as near, I take it, as a finite mind can ever come to 'perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe.'"


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