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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism

Post by dan on Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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Re: Immaterialism

Post by jofo on Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:00 pm

Can’t wait to see a spiny-thing, perhaps it will even have a purpose...
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Re: Immaterialism

Post by smelly on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:13 pm

“There are only two outcomes from a visit to Chapel Perilous,” Robert Anton Wilson tells us:

Paranoia or Agnosticism

There are over 7 billion people on the planet and you will never find someone else who shares your views exactly. Our reality tunnels are all different because they are shaped by our own unique experiences. None of us know what we don’t know. We need all the help we can get, including science and other people’s perspective, in order to get by. The ultimate goal of the agnostic is not to become right, but to become less wrong.

You can make a good life on Earth after accepting there is no certainty, after you have passed through the Gate.

You will help those you meet, but not usually go too far out of your way.

Meaning exists, but it needs to be self-generated, a new meta world.

“It’s the dawning of the realisation that, by supporting friends and being supported by them, and by taking a leap of faith, every one of us can evolve our own souls.”
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Re: Immaterialism

Post by smelly on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:26 pm

dan wrote:smelly, what’s going on with KoL, pray tell.....?

I was on the phone with Joe F for nearly six hours yesterday.  Bottom line, Joe will be the first front person for Disclosure.   He’s got the hardware, he’s got the connections, he’s got the films lined up.

But I warned that it was going to be big world v small world.  

On the downside, debbie has left home, temporarily, I hope, but she did take her phone charger.  Her complaint is that I’m going crazy..... again.  Anybody who talks to Joe for six hours must be crazy.  I only went through one bottle of wine and one bag of potato chips.  I have a call into the Princess to help me get debbie back.  

I do recommend that you peruse some of Joe’s many web sites...... particularly manyonecentral dot org.  He has trailers for some of his feature length, HD films.  Some are not unlike Steve’s.  

And I hope to be going to jail next week, if Ramieka at Goucher has anything to say about it.  They are still celebrating the graduation of their first student from the program, last June.  He now has his Goucher diploma...... to add to his resume.  I’ll be teaching physics and metaphysics.  I keep trying to go to jail.  Maybe I’ll finally succeed.  

The real winner of yesterday’s call-in contest was...... of course, the Princess, which is slightly ironic because the prize was supposed to be instant Disclosure.  Was I bringing coals to Newcastle?  

Everyone who did call got the same booby prize....... instant Disclosure.   The reason why we haven’t had Disclosure is because it’s a three-fer...... a poison pill, a can of worms and a hot potato.   After we get past all of that, it’s the best possible world...... after.....

I was speaking mainly with David and Ted...... that’s Earthling and nunia.   We talked about the clips, which were the very deniable hot potato/can of worms.

Then it’s onward and upward......


Back to the small world........

Yes, I told Joe that he would be the first one out of the blocks, but amongst us disclosers, it was going to five against one.  I do believe that Kevin, Ron, Aliyah and Kashmir are on the side of the small world, but I still have my fingers crossed.  Kevin is writing a report on Joe’s project for me, next week.  


(cont.........)

That poor woman.

Mine keeps me on a short leash.

No telling what hole I might wander into without her.

You see maybe Dan then what I mean?

We need them, they need us, we need each other.

We have to learn to take care of the little things, because that’s everything as far as we are concerned.

Don’t go too far out from center Dan.

You an I both have learned you can get very dizzy at the edge and pass out even.

These kind of things often happen to me at the right time and seem like heroic tests of virtue.

I settled things with women in my life mostly and I’m just a happy fat goat now.

Keep your jumps tight and focused and you will land like a cat.

Until you jump, stay frosty and enjoy your life.

KoL?

Not sure, I have not let his filter touch me yet.
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Re: Immaterialism

Post by smelly on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:30 pm

hobbit wrote:Dan,
Who is Joe F?
Could You post a link to his youtube.

Puzzled it out...firmage.
I have never been too interested , so I just skimmed over it all.


hobbit

Joe, nor that path made me stop and look either, must be immaterial Wink

Bahahaha

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Re: Immaterialism

Post by cwallatruth on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:39 pm

Eye of the needle, Dan.... let your burdens go... wasn’t that what Jesus was really saying? If only it were that easy when it comes to women. Aye. We are all loved always.
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Re: Immaterialism

Post by Reptile on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:47 pm

I'm just here for the advanced class. I still make many mistakes, some I'm not proud of but even though I'm a very slow learner I still want to learn. Don't mind me I'm just getting settled in and riding the wave.

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Re: Immaterialism

Post by cwallatruth on Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:03 pm

Ah yes the wave. A wave never makes a mistake. Neither do clouds. We must regard ourselves as clouds and waves in the flesh. (Thank you Alan watts)
The others are most likely waves. Who also do not make mistakes.
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Materialism at DoD



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Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:00 am

Thank you, Gary.  

I guess Luis never got the word from Ron (~1995, to me).......

We are unable to track the phenomenon with technology.  Instead, we track the people associated with the phenomenon.  

In other words...... in the this case, humint trumps sigint.  

It’s also called personalism.  

On the other thread, smelly quotes from Osho, whom he refers to as an existential personalist.  I was not familiar with that brand of personalism.  I’m reading about it in the SEP.  

According to the SEP, strict or existential personalism leads to the next step......
The intuition of the person as the center of values and meaning is not exhausted, however, in phenomenological or existential analyses. These analyses often point beyond themselves, indicating a constitutive transcendence of the person himself, irreducible either to its specific manifestations or to the sum-total of those manifestations.
Hmmm........


(cont........)


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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:52 am

dan wrote:

We are unable to track the phenomenon with technology.  Instead, we track the people associated with the phenomenon.  

In other words...... in the this case, humint trumps sigint.  


Sounds just like what adherents of the Mandela Effect call 'Residue".

Luis has his own viewpoint.
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Post by Earthling on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:23 am

Dan,

2996, and 58, 3 clips, 16 years 23 days apart, this divided by that, plus this, minus that.

Trying to think outside the box is getting me no where.

What happened to Waco, Kennedy, Marilyn.

Those are too have to part of this surely, but to where is this potato is going next?

Please take it from me or give me a reason to keep holding it.

I'm tired of finding blurry images of pipes and towers and structures on the moon. I want to see them from right above, not way below.

But surely you must have said something to this poor guinea pig that made some sense, at least in your crazy head, which I doubt differs from mind too much.

I have plenty of time, but please dont just feed me one treat, and wait for me to do tricks, it'll take many more treats to do that.

There seems to be a few who have become discouraged with you before (smelly) but surely you had some agenda besides joining the likes of Paul. In fact, I dont know much about you and smelly but the relationships sounds like you two dont understand each other to well at times.

Dont' take any offense to anything I say please though, I have the greatest intention of good, with an offering of trying to help however I could, as poor and lame as I am.

I'm pretty sure at this point that these events are all linked to timelines, like a great chess match being played for them.
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Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:36 am

Earthling, sorry,

Let it go, let’s move on...... with existential personalism......


And, speaking of letting go.....

PF, please, let go of your Mandela effect..... elsewhere.....


We are talking about existential personalism. This goes to the core of every issue. If you are not interested in EP, you are in the wrong place..... please......


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Post by Earthling on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:45 am

dan wrote:Earthling, sorry,

Let it go, let’s move on...... with existential personalism......



(cont......)


Oh thats easier said than done, but I will change the topic for here and now.

I'm still very interested, just dont give up on me. That would be a shame.

I dont know much about existential personalism, but can imagine that this suggests a high degree of narcissism.

>Maybe an evolved state of narcissism.


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Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:54 am

Earthling,

Narcissism........?

Superficially, there might be some truth to your assertion.  The word you are looking for, however, is solipsism.  


(Thanks, 99, I think we have.....)


Let’s even go back to the beginning of philosophy..... at least to one attempt to restart philosophy......

I think, therefore, I am.



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Post by Earthling on Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:58 am

99 wrote:Earthling, this is Dan's Blog. Therefore, he calls the shots. He says we're focusing on EP now so please don't deviate from that topic. 
Thank you.

P.S. You are more than welcome to start up your own thread in any other subforum here to talk about what you're interested in... but not here in Dan's Blog.

I appreciate your advice. and I know Dan, and how he lies to stick to certain topics. Yet Dan spoke to me on the phone yesterday, so I dont think I'm too far off base here, may the wrong thread. I'll try harder not stay on topic 99.

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