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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by Bubbles! Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:41 pm

    Dan!

    I got too close to the hive and got stung. I asked Ron for help, but apparently he himself is a bee. It seems all I can do at this point is try to distance myself from the insanity
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:44 pm

    whoknows wrote:

    Plato's spawn cold ivyed eyes
    Snare truth in bone and globe
    Harlequins coin pointless games
    Sneer jokes in parrot's robe
    Two women weep, dame Scarlet screen
    Sheds sudden theater rain,
    Whilst dark in dream the midnight queen
    Knows every human pain

    In air, fire, earth and water
    World on the scales
    Air, fire, earth and water
    Balance of change
    World on the scales
    On the scales

    Bishop's kings spin judgment's blade
    Scratch "faith" on nameless graves
    Harvest hags hoard ash and sand
    Rack rope and chain for slaves
    Who fireside fear fermented words
    Then rear to spoil the feast
    Whilst in the aisle the mad man smiles
    To him it matters least

    Heroes hands drain stones for blood
    To whet the scaling knife
    Magi blind with visions light
    Net death in dread of life
    Their children kneel in jesus till
    They learn the price of nail,
    Whilst all around our mother earth
    Waits balanced on the scales

    I like the energy wk brings.

    Donnie is chaos, he is doing a great job tripping over his tied laces.

    If he didn't want to be loved so much and want power, I'd feel sorry for him.

    The world always has been and will be I surmise an equal mix of chaos and order.

    Love, the foundation of all.

    Not the sick love AP represents, he's purely bonkers.

    We don't have any problems, only further opportunities to try to understand each other.

    But you could take my path into the clouds and leave the bickering to their confusion and poop on them.

    As good as anything to do and just as compassionate as dying on a cross.

    Have fun all, poor AP.

    I don't think he is having a lot of fun.

    Has given all the evidence you need of his great pain, join the club muppet, you ain't special Wink

    The MOAPS is for each to embrace their pain, which will always be present in separation.

    We all have enough time and space to finish our Work.

    But so few have the slightest inkling of what I mean.

    I have met others playing the glass bead game.

    Hopefully more will see the game, but things are always whole, only we persist in fracture.

    Auuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmm
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:45 pm

    Bubbles! wrote:Dan!

    I got too close to the hive and got stung. I asked Ron for help, but apparently he himself is a bee. It seems all I can do at this point is try to distance myself from the insanity

    There is no escape....you are doomed to live or blessed based on your POV.
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    Post by whoknows Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:48 pm

    Smelly wrote:
    We don't have any problems, only further opportunities to try to understand each other.

    Yeah that's the ticket.
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    Post by Bubbles! Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:03 pm

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:23 pm

    Now now, let’s not cast stones.

    We all screw up and actually screwing up is quite a great thing.

    Wabi Sabi

    On to some fun ramblings...to any real physicists here, my apologies.

    This is Smelly Physics...

    I was reading about time tonight as time ticked by, only time let’s you do that, funny.

    If you were a graviton or photon, you would be traveling at the speed of light beyond time and distance.

    What might that be like? I don’t like to spoil imagining it with scientific facts, annoying things.

    Is time and space emergent from entanglement?

    Roveli has some interesting ideas, but I don’t know the math.



    ...

    Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC) anyone...connected universes, oh my.

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2018/08/roger-penrose-still-looks-for-evidence.html?m=1

    Perhaps connected to the neutrino problem we are currently observing.

    I found it all quite synchronistically.

    Oh I forgot to mention, Penrose, who I really really like, who originated CCC says the only particles to survive universes is a new particle he says makes up Dark Matter, Erebons, for Erebus.  The Dan connection is that Penrose is using LIGO data to look for evidence of old hawking points, connection points where one universe ended and another began.

    He supposed infinite Aeons. Dan will be able to shoot me full of holes, I’m not a physicist and he’s not a mystic.

    Maybe we are all natural mystics and physicists, have we not entangled eyez Wink

    I have a brief feeling I’m onto something...of no real use I’m sure, while they use math, I must use this odd 6th sense.

    What is one to make of such things, shrug, they happen.

    I think Erebus is speaking. I just posted about N.O.X. here the other day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus

    Ok, hey Erebus, how goes...invisible eyes are watching us.

    I can’t shake the eyez of Baphomet or Erebus, haha.

    The way a crazy brain works is crazy...

    My imagination is seeing and feeling a whole other Order of being outside of time.

    What a wonder...to be massless.

    I’ll enjoy my mass as long as I can, it’s a special thing to be conscious and aware both.

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:10 am

    Ever wonder why so many UFOs are spheres? Or why they're so small and seem to be used as probes? Because its the easiest geometric shape with which to locally warp space-time around the exterior of a craft's shell. It's the same reason why planets, stars, and black holes naturally prefer spheres when compacting inward. And only deviate from this shape into toroids due to rotation. It is the simplest curved shape. Curiously, a lenticular shape like that of a flying disc, is really just a flattened sphere. And a cigar design is just an elongated sphere. Which may explain why so many UFO designs prefer these shapes.

    Here's the thing, assuming a technology that could emit a warp field of arbitrary expansion or compression in a localized region of space-time, Lorentz transformation effects in that field region would apply. If a contraction effect was uniformly emitted around a sphere, from an outside observer, the sphere would appear to shrink. The affected space around that sphere would shrink, even as the unaffected space would not. And time flow around the object would slow due to time dilation effects while the interior it would not. (real Tardis shit there) Energy states for atoms and chemical bonds would lower in the region. And blackbody radiation and emitted light from the object would redshift down, as if the object were moving away due to the Doppler effect. External light passing by would bend toward it, much like gravitational lensing.



    The opposite occurs for expansion. The object would appear to expand. In the field, time would speed up relative to an external viewer. (more Tardis shit) Energy states for atoms and chemical bonds would increase in the region. Blackbody radiation would blueshift up, as if the object were traveling toward you due to the Doppler effect. And external light passing by would bend away, with apparent negative refraction.

    Though the internal reference frame is at rest, apparent movement could be effected by creating a disequilibrium in space compression and expansion. Choose a point forward, the reverse is the back. Compress space forward, expand it in back, and the object would ride a wave toward compression and away from expansion. With no time dilation effects in the interior.

    But what if you expand space-time outward uniformly and then accelerate the object normally, creating normal acceleration by compression inside the object? And that acceleration exceeded the speed of light in the exterior expanded region, essentially going superluminal? Wouldn't time in the interior go backwards relative to far space in a reference frame at rest? Another option: have emitters pointing outward expanding space and emitters pointing inward into the sphere compressing space. With suitable energy density, a disequilibrium would form in that region separating the interior, the region of space surrounding the craft, and the far exterior where space-time is at rest. Same thing, I think.

    Now, suppose you could emit a coherent beam of longitudinal compression or expansion waves. Rather like a laser. Point it down into a house. Then emit another as a pump beam (or three for a four beam system). Now one could create a phase conjugate effect whereby an interference pattern would form at the intersection points. With proper phase control, one might create a back flow of solitons that might lift something up. Like a person. Or a cow. Moving an object through solid matter (like a window) is the same disequilibrium effect for the energy states of matter within and outside the beam.

    Crazy? Bullshit? You tell me.

    EDIT: here's another crazy idea for the list. Suppose one could emit a compression beam inside of an expansion beam? Thereby softening energy states of matter inside the compression beam. Then, from within the expansion region, one compressed matter held inside the compression region.

    I wonder what kind of weird or exotic alloys could be forged that way.


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    Post by whoknows Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:42 am

    smelly wrote:I can’t shake the eyez of Baphomet or Erebus, haha.

    With just darkness or light we would blind either way. No?

    smelly wrote:
    I’ll enjoy my mass as long as I can, it’s a special thing to be conscious and aware both.

    Yeah but I think you'll be pooping out mass as you speed across the void just for the fun of it. Smile
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:42 am

    whoknows wrote:
    smelly wrote:I can’t shake the eyez of Baphomet or Erebus, haha.

    With just darkness or light we would blind either way. No?

    smelly wrote:
    I’ll enjoy my mass as long as I can, it’s a special thing to be conscious and aware both.

    Yeah but I think you'll be pooping out mass as you speed across the void just for the fun of it. Smile

    A galactic goat poop rocket. Now that would be a sight to see.

    I wonder if I can reach escape goat velocity...

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    Post by whoknows Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:49 am

    smelly wrote:
    I wonder if I can reach escape goat velocity...

    I think you've already done that quite well, and I mean that in the best possible term. That would be the BPT or umm the best possible propulsion system BPPS, no no I got it, the best possible poop propulsion system  the BPPPS.


    Man this post was a total fail, but I made it with the best possible intentions. BPI.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:02 am

    whoknows wrote:
    smelly wrote:
    I wonder if I can reach escape goat velocity...

    I think you've already done that quite well, and I mean that in the best possible term. That would be the BPT or umm the best possible propulsion system BPPS, no no I got it, the best possible poop propulsion system  the BPPPS.

    When I reached orbit, how odd to find old relics like you up here.

    I wonder if I could get Ron or Joe to stake mass BPPPS production?

    Eat your heart out Sarfatti, we are already massless, moving at the speed of poop, bahahaha.
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    Post by whoknows Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:08 am

    Dan wrote:Eat your heart out Sarfatti, we are already massless, moving at the speed of poop, bahahaha.

    If they only knew it was the best way to transcend time and space.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:12 am

    Right?! Jack looked fun in the 60s, now he’s stuck on Earth with Trump, they can have each other.

    Time to gassssss up.
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    Post by whoknows Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:24 am

    If I only knew what it was; the additive I had last night. Made it to the other side of the universe and back before the alarm went off.

    Mabe it was the Kung Pow Chicken... The Sichuan peppercorn?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:23 pm

    Someone PM me what they know about whoknows please, Linda?

    Bahahahaha

    wk and I really crack ourselves up

    join in

    you’re invited

    relax into it

    let’s dance
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:22 am

    I don't know anything about whoknows except that he's been around, like I have, for years now participating in various UFO-related forums. One only gets the real scoop on what's going on in ufology when one puts years into examining it via forum participation and those prominent personalities involved in it and the vibrant cottage industry it has generated where fame and greed have taken precedence over making any real headway in our quest for the truth.

    And for those ones who are trying to crawl their way to the top of that nefarious food chain, they will say anything and do anything to get to it. And that's a fact. The bottom line: it has nothing to do with truth and everything to do with fame, glory, and money.


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:47 am

    99 wrote:I don't know anything about whoknows except that he's been around, like I have, for years now participating in various UFO-related forums. One only gets the real scoop on what's going on in ufology when one puts years into examining it via forum participation and those prominent personalities involved in it and the vibrant cottage industry it has generated where fame and greed has taken precedence over making any real headway in our quest for the truth.

    I have the truth and the real scoop, the UFO trap was easy to avoid and walk around.

    Only those sticky are stuck in life.

    It’s obvious what’s happening.

    I’m watching the rest of you muppets trying to figure it out.

    Here waiting...

    But thanks Linda for the info Wink
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:25 am

    Oh yes, it's very obvious. But what's even more fascinating are the dedicated 'followers' of those personalities. They are people who are prone to join cults that resonate with their own personal belief systems. By being part of a personality-headed cult it fills the void in their soul... that yearning to be a part of something that's bigger than themselves. That yearning to feel special and many get that feeling, that high, when they are part of something that's against something else... where that 'us against them' mentality prevails and is an integral part of their leader's message. That's just one technique amongst many that cult leaders use. It's got nothing to do with the issue at hand that supposedly is the original purpose of the group and everything to do with giving those 'lost ones' a sense of belonging... to something. This is a very sad state of affairs indeed but it's one that is pervasive within the UFO community.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:59 am

    99 wrote:Oh yes, it's very obvious. But what's even more fascinating are the dedicated 'followers' of those personalities. They are people who are prone to join cults that resonate with their own personal belief systems. By being part of a personality-headed cult it fills the void in their soul... that yearning to be a part of something that's bigger than themselves. That yearning to feel special and many get that feeling, that high, when they are part of something that's against something else... where that 'us against them' mentality prevails and is an integral part of their leader's message. That's just one technique amongst many that cult leaders use. It's got nothing to do with the issue at hand that supposedly is the original purpose of the group and everything to do with giving those 'lost ones' a sense of belonging... to something. This is a very sad state of affairs indeed but it's one that is pervasive within the UFO community.  

    It is interesting, peak experiences are hard to see in context, but you describe the confusion well.

    The UFO and all phonomena are just looking glasses.

    I’ll share a poem I wrote to wk on the hello thread.

    It sums up how I feel about all this and what I see.
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:36 am

    I can see someone who thinks he's guru/cult leader material coming to a forum like this one (one with alleged gov't connections) in hopes to get financial backing for any gov't research study on cults and/or for a disinformation campaign ... or preparation for a false flag event etc...  with him 'performing' as the cult leader. In order to do that, he would have to show, in some way, his potential for operating in that position by starting his own 'cult'.

    The first thing they would do is get chummy with all of the members in the forum by using the PM's to recruit anyone he can for his... er, mission.
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    Post by hobbit Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:57 am

    99 wrote:I can see someone who thinks he's guru/cult leader material coming to a forum like this one (one with alleged gov't connections) in hopes to get financial backing for any gov't research study on cults and/or for a disinformation campaign ... or preparation for a false flag event etc...  with him 'performing' as the cult leader. In order to do that, he would have to show, in some way, his potential for operating in that position by starting his own 'cult'.

    The first thing they would do is get chummy with all of the members in the forum by using the PM's to recruit anyone he can for his... er, mission.


    "All the members"
    Nobody has tried to recruit Me.
    I feel lonely and as if I smell.

    Sad little ..
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:02 pm

    You're not good follower material hobbit as you've already got your own thing going on using OMF as a platform for it. Which I think is great because you have a lot of good things to say. I resonate with a lot of it.

    I just wish you would start your own subforum here... or use one of the existing ones to spread your message. Dan's blog has presented some problems for you in that dept.

    At the very least, you could simply post your comment somewhere else here and post a link to it, in the course of any conversations here, that you think is on topic with what is being discussed here at any given time. This way Dan won't clobber you when it's not in line with his view on the topic he's discussing.


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:11 pm

    99 wrote:I can see someone who thinks he's guru/cult leader material coming to a forum like this one (one with alleged gov't connections) in hopes to get financial backing for any gov't research study on cults and/or for a disinformation campaign ... or preparation for a false flag event etc...  with him 'performing' as the cult leader. In order to do that, he would have to show, in some way, his potential for operating in that position by starting his own 'cult'.

    The first thing they would do is get chummy with all of the members in the forum by using the PM's to recruit anyone he can for his... er, mission.

    Very good Linda.

    AP PMed me doing just that.

    He offered to ‘level me up’.

    Ack may have sniffed his cheese.

    Fools like this and gurus and cult leaders are easy to spot if you have nothing they want.

    I studied several gurus up close.

    Surmised it was all mostly a scam, and off I went.

    I am incorrigible.

    If you recall, I called him out as APretender immediately.

    I have a nose for such things.

    This is what the smelly goat is here obviously to do partly.

    To poop on pretenders.

    You are no chump, perhaps a bit too paranoid, but your perfect as you are, as is AP.

    Some of us alas, are cursed with respecting no plans and walking backwards among the confused.

    Now, I’ll take any donations for my co-op Farm any rich folks want to shoot my way.

    I may yet have my OSHO phase, there was the only guru I’d spend my time with, but just a HUman, like most of us.

    He saw though all of it and had great fun.

    I do enjoy Bacchus and The Goat, but I also wane with the Sun and Moon.

    Life is great.

    The way of the goat is to live here and now and eat what’s at hand.

    I am fortunate to have passed over the abyss and tempest with a grin.

    It was all meant to bring a grin.

    Like the end of Steppenwolf.

    I do hope I can make some of you smile with my inane words and acts of clarity and confusion.

    I will always call out the pretenders, take it or leave it.

    I’m a great Pretender myself.

    It is surely just training for the next act.

    ...

    Holy Knickers, I posted at 11:11, that there is what you call natural resonance.


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:14 pm

    Hobbit, you are a beautiful geometric puzzle.

    I see it and appreciate you shining as you do.

    You will always have a place in my crew just as you are.

    Post anywhere you like.

    The goat said you can.

    Linda, relax, really, let it flow as it likes.

    Things will go perfectly.

    I do enjoy holding court on OMF.

    It has been the greatest funz learning my craft here, all my teachers are lions and loons.
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:22 pm

    Thanks for your input smiley.

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