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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:14 am

Foot Mann wrote:Just testing to see if anyone here grasps the concept of BPWH. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany#See_also)

Dearest Footloose,

Your continued defense of Hitler implies preference for a future nobody wants to relive. Screw the BPW if this is what you guys call "best". See 99's photo of a mass grave to help with your perspective. And if that doesn't help, you are forever lost. This is not a 'values' question. It is a test of basic humanity. Fail it and you fail yourself first and foremost.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:32 am

PF,

Don’t let Foot jerk your chain....... he was just getting bored like I sometimes do.

Don’t worry though, we’re just getting our ducks lined up....... quack, quack...... nobody here but us, ducks.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:42 am

Foot Mann wrote:The designator for Dan has been formally changed from Discloser to Disruptor. As many of you know, Dan has repeatedly disabled our home security system causing federal and local authorities great pains. This morning Dan managed to disable our home WiFi system (which is part of our security system) and destroy a robot operating system. He rummages around the house unplugging critical components and plugging others in where they do not belong while claiming to be merely exploring options for charging his phone. If you value the integrity of your lives, post NO TRESPASS orders against the Disruptor. Otherwise, if you live through the experience, you will regret it.

Since Dan hasn't really disclosed anything, is there much concern that he will disrupt anything? I am relatively new here. Can anyone provide a list of things ("proofs" if you will) that Dan has disclosed?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:18 am

dan wrote:PF,

Don’t let Foot jerk your chain....... he was just getting bored like I sometimes do.   

They're his words. On the record.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:30 am

cw,

If you think I don’t know how to jerk chains, just give me a phone call.  Everyone else has my number, and they’re afraid to call.

Be brave, cw.


Even my ducks are afraid to talk to me........

That’s why I’m back again....... this is my sounding board of last resort.  

Right now, I’m looking to find a stand in for the Princess, when I venture onto campuses....... people won’t panic quite so quickly.  

Also, I’m supposed to meet the Swede this week, scheduling him around a day trip with Debbie.  Kevin is coming back here with him.  Two more ducks to line up.  

Pretty soon, now, the Princess and I will get to sail off into the sunset.... like Sausalito.  


PF,  

The only record that Ron and I have to worry about is the Akashic Record.  


In the last gasp..... last dash..... I’m gonna need to press the flesh. Electrons and photons are no substitute...... in the End.



(cont.......)
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by desertdweller on Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:13 am

It seems that no one here understands the concept/question of theodicy, in reference to the Foot's comments, and it's relation to the BPW.  Albeit it is a tasteless thought experiment, and there are much better things to use thinking through theodicy.

However, being purposefully crass and brazen, in order to scare of the plebs (i.e. Muppets) from conversations that they are unprepared for, is the oldest trick in the book.  

I think back to the MJ-12 scene in the old Roswell movie from the 1990s.  
"Or, accurate information released through less than reputable sources... that's not such a bad technique, either."  
"Hire a group of crackpots?"  
"Precisely!"

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:23 am

Good call, dd........

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:55 am

dan wrote:cw,
If you think I don’t know how to jerk chains, just give me a phone call.  Everyone else has my number, and they’re afraid to call.
Be brave, cw.
(cont.......)

But I don't want my chain jerked... that's only for my wife to do.  Smile
Seriously, I'd love to call you Dan.  Actually, I'd love to spend an evening around a camp fire just lobbing questions at you and Smelly, trying to figure out whose ego is bigger while at the same time being in awe of your existential poetry and expanding my own mind because of it.

What would be a realistic expectation I might have of the outcome of a phone call to you if I indeed found the bravery to do so?

Does this Thursday night work for you?


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:00 am

Here's my current assessment.... portals turn people into animals that reflect some (all?) aspect of their consciousness. A "sleeping dog" could turn into godzilla through fear and kill everyone around them. Hence the need for secrecy.

But what defines a "sleeping dog"? How do we wake up these dogs? What is the indication that the dog is awake and is now able to safely traverse through a portal?

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:13 am

cwallatruth wrote:the individual?

Welcome back, smelly.  I've seen lots of dead deer on the road past few days.... like way more than what would be normal / expected.  Good to see a goat come back to life.

Meant to post this earlier... but the day after posting the above I see this in my front yard. I thought it was Dan, Smelly, and Reptile having gone through a portal. Does that make me paranoid schizo or just schizo or open minded?



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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 am





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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:30 am

What does it all mean though? From your perspective of course, smelly
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:53 am

Judge not; speak hardly at all; love and act. —E.L.

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Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:58 am

I like it.... How does Lilith fit in to that?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:36 am

I am a Seer, not the explainer.

Indeed, what does any symbol or gender have to do with the Real?

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Post by clusterfuggles on Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:39 am

You guys might like Kevin's book! He's a See'r too it seems.

The See'r (Parts I and II)
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Post by dan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:05 pm

cw,  

Thursday should work.  Remember to text in advance.......
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Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:48 pm

cf, we all have our own book, it’s magick.

It’s good to compare notes, but most of what we see is for us alone.

The only valuable message a seer has is that something can be seen, but seers are easily fooled by their own visions.

It takes wisdom and context to understand what is being transmitted to us or the visions are twisted into their fearsome opposite.

No one needs to be saved either, so no savior needed, guess Dan will need to consider a new occupation, I still vote for naked potter.

A seer is different than a shaman. A shaman is more like a priest with a show. A seer is used by the shaman or priest, as a bridge to the Magick world.

A seer has a vision on purpose or accident. They then can talk to the Magick world through omens and spirits and symbols. This world around you is a reflection of that one or vice versa. A seer means “one with magic powers.”

Imagine waking up as a seer in today’s postmodern mess, fun to sort out the visions and the illusion together. Throw in Jesus and UTs and you have quite a vision...of chaos.

Most of the world around us now is a lie and simulacra, disconnected from the real. It’s dying. Really, it is passing away before your eyes. In times like this the people revert to tribalism and panic. Other becomes the hated thing to use to justify the painful change.

It will not stay the same, it will change, and we are changing too. Magic has always been here to help make the changes.

Making the unseen seen.

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Post by cwallatruth on Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:33 pm

What visions have you seen?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Cuan Scott on Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:55 pm

[Scott, I have asked folks too many time to only use excerpted quotes....... thanks ]

Dan, 99 - My apologies.

smelly wrote:cf, we all have our own book, it’s magick.

It’s good to compare notes, but most of what we see is for us alone.

The only valuable message a seer has is that something can be seen, but seers are easily fooled by their own visions.

.......
[SNIP.......]
...........

Making the unseen seen.

Smelly,

what do you foresee for the next stage, 'The Return'


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Post by dan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:22 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/opinion/artificial-intelligence-machine-learning.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage


smelly,

I guess you didn’t get the memo........

My newest occupation....... Antichrist.



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Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:48 pm

Fun, we all get to play the Antichrist and should.

cw, I see what any who has vision not occluded by glory or power sees I assume. I used to think what I saw was super important, it must be, because it happened suddenly and powerfully, haha, but I saw what I needed to see when I needed to see IT, learning to let others have their view was learning what seeing really is.

Seeing is becoming skilled with uncertainty. In this context seeing can include any senses of the unseen and seen, dreams, synchronicities, literature, thoughts, feelings, sense data. Seeing is becoming skilled at juggling all that into a coherent picture, maybe not always rational and reasonable, a paradox, but coherent none the less, to backwards made Humans. I don't know that muppets that have not made the leap can even begin to understand these states of mind or access them even. It's a fuzzy awareness of movement between the seen and unseen, the Dance.

You see a Shadow world, unseen, made of invisible thought forms seemingly alive on their own.

I saw Baphomet and the Caduceus and other ancient creatures and images repeat over and over everywhere I looked. I saw Blue beings who told me I was a Blue Prince who chose to come here. These are riddles and games and symbols to unravel from our DNA is singing to us.

What do I see happening?

I see mountains of shit birthing beautiful flowers. I don't try to see the future, I avoid that entirely. I don't want to know the future, kind of defeats the point of living and breathing.

A Seer just needs to learn to swim, then the rest works itself out.

I see us becoming God-Humans, Homo Superior, some have begun the ascent from previous generations and more today seem to be rising or have risen high, by going low first.

I see the age of religion fading and I see personal responsibility replacing govt led manipulation and commerce.

I see patterns, like lots of geometry, I don't know how to draw or describe.

I hear voices inside my mind and I have named them and created a Royal court of a kind in my mind, many dispatches arrive daily.

I see the world is a symbol machine and everything is a clue to what is happening and IT is always happening.

I see beyond the speed of light, which means, if I needed to, I can see anywhere in consciousness, assume any role in the play.  

I imagined we were all in a spaceship traveling to Earth or Eden and our central computer was corrupted and all of this was working out the malevolent programming. Can we get off the ship? Should we? These are big questions.

I learned the Devil was a lie and so was God, but God is NOT dead.

There IS and NOT IS.

I learned we have the power to see or guess the future.

I learned each can heal themselves and so there is no mission but to let root node programming disseminate across the Earth.

I see we have many allies and apparent opposition.

The next stage is full contact and participation and skill with the seen and unseen is required.

I learned to look straight ahead and not sweat the rest.

There is an ancient system in place, teaching/revealing tools, you can find again and use if you have the intelligence, heart and courage to find and use.

Primitive man made religion in response to Seeing and made priests their appointed guides and the scapegoat the one to take on the burden of knowing what has occurred and is happening always.

You have to take yourself apart and rebuild yourself with unseen hands.

If you manage to do that, you too can live as a Seeing freak in this dream world.

I don't know if this be the path for all, but I know the difference between a golden ass and the child who rides it and that I AM both.

Breathing is the price of admission. Congrats, you can now See for yourself and I recommend you get to it and dont be distracted and focus and pay attention to everything and one day it begins to make an Alice in Wonderland kind of sense, which means learning to walk and live backwards.

Be creative.

Become a smelly goat even or an angel, takes all of us to make a Creation.

We all must pass through the Dream.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/style/phones-children-silicon-valley.html?action=click&module=editorContent&pgtype=Article®ion=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending

I agree, but you should talk to the Devil in your minds, really, that's what all of this is ultimately about, but the Devil beyond our cultural one, the one way way way down deep guarding the Pylons/Portals.


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Foot Mann on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm

It seems one person had vision to understand the assignment. Unfortunately it was not the Disruptor. He remains disloyal, dishonest, and disruptive.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Are we not all the Disruptor until we Disrupt our own ignorance?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Aaron on Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:05 pm

Children, I implore you
get out of the burning house now.
Three carts await outside
to save you from a homeless life.
Relax in the village square
before the sky, everything’s empty.
No direction is better or worse,
East just as good as West.
Those who know the meaning of this
are free to go where they want.
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When hermits hide from society
most retire to the hills
where green vines veil the slopes
and jade streams echo unbroken
where happiness reigns
and contentment lasts
where pure white lotus minds
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