There are no flaws or mistakes in our understanding..... not in the best possible world.
There are only gaps........ the best possible gaps, at any given time, in our understanding.
Complete understanding and complete love are what we will all have, in the End. That is why I am an eschatologist.
That is why I am here..... to explain the End.
Yes, and to prove it by demonstrating it to you, for any of you who do not already know. smelly is my exhibit A.
Me.......? I’m just the instructor, here.
And, yes, smelly, everyone of us already has complete knowledge and love....... most of us are just afraid to admit it to ourselves..... especially not in public.
hobbit wrote: UFOs are field manipulators, they are time machines where whatever is inside their field displaces in time.
Hobbit:
Traversable Achronal Retrograde Domains In Spacetime
Abstract:
There are many spacetime geometries in general relativity which contain closed timelike curves. A layperson might say that retrograde time travel is possible in such spacetimes. To date no one has discovered a spacetime geometry which emulates what a layperson would describe as a time machine. The purpose of this paper is to propose such a space-time geometry. In our geometry, a bubble of curvature travels along a closed trajectory. The inside of the bubble is Rindler spacetime, and the exterior is Minkowski spacetime. Accelerating observers inside of the bubble travel along closed timelike curves. The walls of the bubble are generated with matter which violates the classical energy conditions. We refer to such a bubble as a Traversable Achronal Retrograde Domain In Spacetime.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.7985.pdf
This is essentially an extension to the Alcubierre Warp Drive concept. But with a bubble inside of a bubble. If the authors are right, with the right geometry and energy densities it should allow for time travel to the past. In one of those UFO type things. Assuming they use warp drive in something like this manner.
No. That was a misquote. I did not say I planned to build one during the meeting. Paraphrasing, I said I thought it would be a good idea to get off planet and spread ourselves out into the great ocean of space.
None of these papers explain how to build one of these things. They only describe a space-time geometry where such effects might be possible. Jack's ideas seem closest to an actual realization of such a device. But I recognize it will take quite some time and a great deal of lab work before such a thing is possible to build by human beings.
I'm aware of our current limitations.
I could point you to a brilliant PhD thesis on use of Bose-Einstein Condensates to model field generation though. And I'm aware of how close that matches Jack's proposal.
It won't be me who builds this thing. But I'll cheer whoever does.
EDIT: I will say this, I believe this is one topic the birds really don't want to talk about. They're happy to blabber on about terrahertz emission, metamaterial waveguides, bismuth, and magnesium and UFO crash materials analysis. But linking warp drive space travel to time travel and that seems to be a very sensitive subject.
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There are no flaws or mistakes in our understanding..... not in the best possible world.
There are only gaps........ the best possible gaps, at any given time, in our understanding.
Complete understanding and complete love are what we will all have, in the End. That is why I am an eschatologist.
That is why I am here..... to explain the End.
Yes, and to prove it by demonstrating it to you, for any of you who do not already know. smelly is my exhibit A.
Me.......? I’m just the instructor, here.
And, yes, smelly, everyone of us already has complete knowledge and love....... most of us are just afraid to admit it to ourselves..... especially not in public.
(cont......)
Obviously, I do not suffer from that problem
And for others to think my rambling is dementia or egoic mainly would be mistaken.
Have you deconstructed yourself and faced your death?
The tea I explored with was a simulated death experience over and over.
Did you folks ever see movie Brainstorm?
Your egos aren’t leaving, one must integrate them, which is kind of funz.
I did a lot of geometric exploring myself, I like how the lines make images. Mandelbrot and all that chaos theory blows my mind.
I will say one more thing, Dan. I won't be me to build such a machine because I don't have the expertise or resources. I'm well aware of that too. It will be Jack who makes that theoretical breakthrough. And I only believe that for the ridiculous reason that over twenty years ago I had a vision it would be him. I told him that then too. But that's crazy talk.
dan wrote:Very good, smelly. Maybe we are both turning, or trying to turn, over new leaves.
And speaking of leaves, you might want to explain bobby to us....
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.
Does bobby speak to you in any way, smelly?
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We are so busy in life with our tasks we create. We are all working for the man, other than providing for our basic needs, these tasks are meaningless.
Stopping to watch the snow fall, now that is meaningful.
You can see how subtle the meaningful then is in life and this is bobby’s point perhaps.
The poem hints at suicide.
We don’t stop to watch the snow fall often enough. We may stop to watch a movie, or read a book, or a swarm of birds. Are those activities meaningful in the same way? I think if you are really watching the snow fall, they are.
This pausing, even though there are miles to go and promises to keep, is what we so often find missing in life perhaps, and it is the one thing that music can provide for us.
Goosebumps...
Our destiny lies in the deep dark wood...not in our tasks and work.
There is keeping the lights on and then there is turning them off and going for a walk.
Why has this man stopped in the poem to watch the snow fall?
The reason is important, he stops to wonder and maybe rest.
The distance one goes from the city provides an opportunity to re-examine man’s relation to his original, natural environment.
This is about the absolute loneliness each of us will feel at times.
There are no people, no lights, no sounds, no comfort – just the narrator in the middle of the coldest time of the year, Death?
This person is far from the Human world of tasks and work.
No one owns the wood, the earlier part of poem says he thinks he knows who owns the wood. This is challenging our human concept of ownership in a world no one can own.
Stuck between human history and society and the call of nature.
“The poem is an internal monologue, a stream of consciousness. Is this the first question that pops into his head? Frost indicates that even amidst this lonely scene, the man isn’t completely removed from human culture and history. He has not whole-heartedly abandoned himself to the magical vision before him. No, he comes from society, and will return to it. Yet “the woods are lovely, dark and deep”; he is enchanted.”
Enchanted indeed...I took on roll of scapegoat and into the woods I went.
He will trample on the virgin snow, which makes him sad.
Should he die to avoid making nature dirty?
Very good Dan, this is a conflict between ethical man” and “aesthetic man.”
“His “stopping by the woods” reflects the extraordinary magic this natural scene exerts upon his imagination. It is a moment of wonderment. There is something in the woods’ beauty that draws him in, lures him, encouraging him to abandon his anxious self-consciousness. Something within him cries: “What, are you insane? Where are you going in such a hurry? What’s the rush? Stay here, marvel at the glowing darkness, at this simple beauty.” Aesthetic man longs to dedicate himself to his senses – not his coarse senses, but rather the aesthetic sense: delicate, beautiful, drawn to all the splendor and majesty of the world.”
Frost said in another poem, his epitaph would be, “I had a lovers quarrel with the world.”
Well, that is it, isn’t it?!
Deep stuffz....
Ahhhh, you must love a world before you can give it up.
“Civilization and its governing morality have placed a yoke upon the narrator’s neck. He must earn a livelihood, provide for others, and contribute to humanity’s great onward march. He must build and create. Frost’s poetry often mentions apples – apple picking, sorting apples, etc. Christian tradition identifies the apple as the “fruit” eaten by Adam and Eve. That story represents the origin of all moral obligations, the “knowledge of good and evil”; the apple is a symbol laden with meaning.”
Of course the woods owner is the hidden face of God.
Hidden, you must seek underneath all of life.
It isn’t so easy to just pick a religion and spin the wheel or pick science and be done with all else.
For this game to have any value, I see Dan, you must toil and wrestle with both aspects of the world.
You cannot dismiss the deep wood, or your civilization.
I would agree...let us press on until Death brings us sleep.
Ars longa, vita brevis.
Morality and aestheticism can be seen as two alternative spiritual paths. I have explored both as a Stoic and Zen practitioner.
Stoicism to me is the meat of religion, without all the lies and priests, you take responsibility for developing your own virtue.
Zen is feeling the gentle sway of it all, we must take it all as it comes.
Nature exists to hide the author perhaps.
Clues abound.
Wow, just fucking wow, the wonder of it is so intoxicating and mystifying.
The world tree sits at the heart of things.
Into the maze...now is time to meditate on the meaning of the journey, how the universal lays hidden behind the personal. All Life and all Knowledge contained in the holographic field we call consciousness.
“The whole existence waits for the right moment. Even trees know it--when it is time to bring the flowers and when it is time to let go of all the leaves and stand naked against the sky. They are still beautiful in that nakedness, waiting for the new foliage with a great trust that the old has gone, and the new will soon be coming, and the new leaves will start growing.”
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We are building a stairway to heaven...... it will be the portal to end all portals.
Our ancestors remember this stairway as the Tower of Babel, that God destroyed.
God didn’t destroy it. We dismantled it, when we were finished with it, as with the cities and roads.
Are we now reinventing that Tower/portal?
What we need to understand is that the Alpha and Omega exist in all eternity..... they exist in all of us. We are microcosms, reinventing the Cosmos. Fortunately for us, the Cosmos already exists, in us.
The Kingdom is within and is here now, we see it through a glass, darkly.
Tomorrow, Aliyah and I will be talking to Joe. Joe is working very hard to reconstruct the Tower. He is under a lot of stress, out by the Lake. I want to tell him to relax, like smelly tells me. I believe that Aliyah controls the phenomena associated with his device. She will not admit to that, outright. She will listen as I try to explain that to Joe...... as gently as possible.
Buddy will be trying to explain something similar to Steve G, on our behalf. It will take a while to sink in, but we have all the time in the world....... eternity.
Yes, we have a very convincing illusion of time. We will let ourselves out of that illusion as gently and as gradually as we can. Eternity already exists in the moment. Some see that directly..... the mystics. I see it indirectly...... conceptually, now that I know the Alpha and Omega. We are all personally acquainted with the Alpha and Omega. We hung him on a cross. We each have a splinter of that cross. It can be painful. It reminds us of God. So does love.
(cont......)
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Dan, It seems to me that on many occasions you seem to eschew free will.
The way I see it, it's like we are in a giant pinball machine. All the balls interacting individually and collectively, giving and taking some times freely at others through force. But free will is there and always will be. It can be better to relinquish it for the well being of others... But not often.
I am a fan boy of Edward Lorenz. "Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future."
All these numbers. We are inexorably a part of an emergent chaotic complex system, At least to my mind.
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whoknows wrote:Man the synergism.. Love this vid with Frost reading, "The Road Not Taken" and Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening."
Also thinking about Chaos, infinity and free will.
We wonder at Nature as the hidden face of God. We feel the snow fall and trees bend in the wind on the coldest day of the year, awaiting our impending Death.
I have "miles to go before I sleep", who can know that really, we think we can busy ourselves enough to forget, and perhaps for a time we do, but then the deep wood calls deeply into our darkness and a chill runs down our spines and fire rises to meet it.
That’s living and feeling life.
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They should not close the Daimon portals. They should let them come through and have tea with them.
Yes, smelly, we need not be afraid to open the portals. The good will come with the bad.
In the End..... it is no contest. The portals will open whether we want or not. We go with that flow. Joe is going with Aliyah’s flow. Their is a reason for every portal. We will begin to see that light.
wk,
We are mortal and immortal. We need the one to appreciate the other.
Eternity is not in time. It is another dimension. It is where love resides.
Chaos points to determination. Life resides on the knife Edge.... between time and eternity.
The physicists have name for this knife edge..... I’m trying to think of it.
We all have splinters of the cross. I’m here to show how they will be removed..... really, just how we know they will be removed.
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