Immaterialism

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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Smelly

smelly goat .. about JW wrote:
A headless chaotic, unfortunately, disturbed mind.

is this not  "the pot calling the kettle black".  

i do agree there was a lot of sh*tting..  But we all talk sh*te.. sometimes even DAN

Sign..

More interested in the LIGO<->LHC stuff. How do you think they relate?

I'm genuinely interested.

PF ..

Your on the Ball more than i am..

what the Duck to LHC LIGO, stand for. bloody acronym's


Sign.. "waiting for the future to happen"

LIGO vs LHC............?

It’s just an inversion of the gestalts.  You have to be insane to see it.  

You have to be an Immaterialist to see it.  Ask Kip T.

It’s also the cross vs the circle.  


Sign,

And you are bloody lazy.  


It’s all about 10^10 in phased array.

And it’s about cell phone privacy. Ask Kip about privacy, when colliding black holes are confused with coastal surf..... is confused with PK. There are ramifications.


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dan wrote:LIGO vs LHC............?

It’s just an inversion of the gestalts.  You have to be insane to see it.  

You have to be an Immaterialist to see it.  Ask Kip T.


Sign,

And you are bloddy lazy.  

Sign:

LHC->Large Hadron Collider. A particle beam collider at CERN in Geneva Switzerland. Discovered the HIGS Boson in 2012. Is currently undergoing a High Luminosity retrofit to increase beam power.

LIGO-> Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory. Recently observed gravitational waves of two supermassive black holes colliding. Confirmed aspects of Einstein's General Relativity theory.

Dan: Crazy or not, I'm still curious. How do these two relate? Are you talking batshit, or speculating on GUT? Or both?

EDIT:

Just a note on LIGO: The interferometer is essentially the same experiment Michelson-Morley designed and ran to confirm the existence of the so-called Luminiferous Aether, back in the late 1800s. Only it confirmed no existence of such. That is, the results they got confirmed for the physics community that the vacuum is not an aether propagating EM waves.

BUT:

That same interferometer experiment - though far more sensitive - has now confirmed gravity waves.

For those of you following:

1) no luminiferous aether.
2) yes gravity waves.

Same underlying experimental apparatus at different sensitivity levels.

Some of us physics kooks look upon that combined result with a raised eyebrow.

Your Right Dan.. i am a Lazy Sod..

Unfortunately my Mind Can't take too many big words at once.. after 3-4 it goes into shut down mode.

bare with me..

Sign

PF,

You still don’t have a clue.  We are talking gestalts and MoAPS...... it’s MoAPS within MoAPS.  

It is a bit hard to get your head around, but you have to start somewhere.

Ok, with Michaelson-Morley your getting a little bit warmer.

Thanks. I’d forgotten that one.

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dan wrote:PF,

You still don’t have a clue.  We are talking gestalts and MoAPS...... it’s MoAPS within MoAPS.  

It is a bit hard to get your head around, but you have to start somewhere.  

It's not that I don't see the clue. It's that I think it's bullshit.

Thank PF.. That saved me an hour of my Life..

Sign

Dan.. While your one.. and listening..

You keep saying your the one in charge of Disclosure . & we keep having the odd Fire Drill..

Could you not Start a little Fire.. .. something Small.. anyone could put out with a fire extinguisher


Sign.. " Look to the Stars for the Future & Past"

Ps.. Dan me costumes.. out of the wash ready for the new series of Star Trek..

PF,

Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between bs and cosmic poetry.  Ask smelly.

And how do you spell I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.M?

That is what you’re totally missing.  


Sign,

Your pants are on fire.  That’s why you can only smell the smoke.  

You want Disclosure...... now you can work it out with a pencil.  

Don’t worry, others, who don’t ask the dumb questions, already have.  

You are the sleeping dog, for now.  

You need to understand the feathered Serpent. It is a gestalt unto itself. Why do you think we came down here, dummy. Your cockpit awareness is more than deficient.

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dan wrote:PF,

Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between bs and cosmic poetry.  Ask smelly.

And how do you spell I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.M?

That is what you’re totally missing.  

Is this the same I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.T. medium de Broglie proposed?

No. I know you don't mean that. But if you're going to posit there exists shit we can't see it would help to at least be formal about what it is and how it affects the shit we can see. And more than in just the 'smelly' way.

Dan..

one of us has to be the Dumb Sod on this site.. Guess it Me..

PF,

How do you spell ‘feathered Serpent’?  

You can see it, pronoid...... you just aren’t looking...... the nose in front of your face...... the back of your hand, etc.......

You are only seeing with indirect perception.  Try the direct kind.  This is our final, Barfieldian, participation.  It’s slow going at first.  I would be the first to admit.  If you get too impatient, you could try lsd, but it’s also very risky.  

You learn to pay attention to detail, in a mythological sort of way.  

smelly knows about that...... but he doesn’t read the Economist, do you, smelly?  

You can read the Economist for work, or you can read it for fun...... very different perspectives...... indirect vs direct perception/participation.


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Dan

dan wrote:Your pants are on fire. That’s why you can only smell the smoke.

You want Disclosure...... now you can work it out with a pencil.

Dan Did you hear about the mathematician with constipation? He was able to work it out with just a pencil.

Sign

No kidding

"The big cat" has been domesticated. Ask J.A. In dreamtime.

dan wrote:PF,

How do you spell ‘feathered Serpent’?  

You can see it, pronoid...... you just aren’t looking...... the nose in front of your face...... the back of your hand, etc.......

You are only seeing with indirect perception.  Try the direct kind.  This is our final, Barfieldian, participation.  It’s slow going at first.  I would be the first to admit.  If you get too impatient, you could try lsd, but it’s also very risky.  

You learn to pay attention to detail, in a mythological sort of way.  

smelly knows about that...... but he doesn’t read the Economist, do you, smelly?  

You can read the Economist for work, or you can read it for fun...... very different perspectives...... indirect vs direct perception/participation.  


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Have you ever heard the roaring in your ears? Known you weren't breathing? Felt yourself quake, shaking up and down from head to toe? Rolled out, floated up, and looked down at yourself from an upper corner in your room? Have you ever put your hand through a wall and felt inside? Have you seen the way colors change in this state? How high dynamic range photography doesn't even come close to the experience? Or met the scary-ass things that are out there?

I've been there. It's not all love and light dude. And I sure as hell don't think some ill defined immaterialism explains the experience.

I can relate to everything you're saying PF but if you talk about such things to the wrong psychiatrist (the mainstream ones), you'll be diagnosed as bi-polar which is the catch-all diagnosis they use just to get the ball rolling in the mental health field regardless if you ever experience mood changes or not beyond what's considered normal.

This is unfortunate because when one starts to have such experiences... which is when they may really feel a need to talk to a professional about it, there's no one out there that specializes in that area that's close enough to arrange for monthly therapy sessions with them unless one lives on the east or west coast. So in that sense, they're on their own and that's NOT easy. But these days, there are plenty of alternative mental health therapists who have advanced degree's from legitimate universities that one can talk to via the internet at first contact and then via online conferences when one feels the need to do so. That's the next best thing than in-person office visits.

In the meantime, research continues down at Muppet Labs down by the Lake...

Jack Sarfatti must be advising...see the stars with your atomic elevator shoes.

99 wrote:

smiley wrote:99, you are blind as a bat.

If you didn't remind me so much of Brando, I would be banning you too smiley. That white straggly hair and funny hat don't do you any justice, btw. I DO miss Bubbles and his kitties though.... where the hell is he?

Of course you would ban me, you can’t handle the Truth

Sign wrote:Smelly

smelly goat .. about JW wrote:
A headless chaotic, unfortunately, disturbed mind.

is this not  "the pot calling the kettle black".  

i do agree there was a lot of sh*tting..  But we all talk sh*te.. sometimes even DAN

Sign..

Duh

Dan is a funny muppet though, I gotta say.

And unlike most of you other muppets, he’s very poetic.

He knows how to turn a phrase.

Like myself, I don’t know he is good for anything else

It’s always fun to joust with him and the rest of you distracted muppets.

But there isn’t anything to disagree about.

I don’t disagree or agree with anyone.

That’s funny.

smiley wrote:Of course you would ban me, you can’t handle the Truth Wink

Ha, ha.... not so smiley but I'll make a note of that any way to refer to next time I need a good laugh.

99 wrote:I can relate to everything you're saying PF but if you talk about such things to the wrong psychiatrist (the mainstream ones), you'll be diagnosed as bi-polar which is the catch-all diagnosis they use just to get the ball rolling in the mental health field regardless if you ever experience mood changes or not beyond what's considered normal.

This is unfortunate because when one starts to have such experiences... which is when they may really feel a need to talk to a professional about it, there's no one out there that specializes in that area that's close enough to arrange for monthly therapy sessions with them unless one lives on the east or west coast. So in that sense, they're on their own and that's NOT easy. But these days, there are plenty of alternative mental health therapists who have advanced degree's from legitimate universities that one can talk to via the internet at first contact and then via online conferences when one feels the need to do so. That's the next best thing than in-person office visits.

PF, work it out through art directly. This is what Dan hints at.

Participate, don’t follow your thoughts, lead them.

There is a light in us from the Sun and we are all tethered to that Sun. It’s a lie to accept anything else as true.

And we have a dark passenger, one who is totally immoral and will help you do any dark thing you can imagine.

That power is a test, I dance, I don’t move the universe through my galactic will consciously, but I am unconsciously.

With direct participation, you can feel and sense the Cosmos in a sublime way.

You can’t be afraid facing the dark, you have to know.

No teaching or philosophy or science or belief will make you know.

You have to face it straight on.

Draw things out, write to them, to your self, let the fear go.

Cry into your heart for help and help will be there immediately.

I know my daimon(s) very well, which is what we have lost touch with.