Immaterialism

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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99 wrote:

smiley wrote:Of course you would ban me, you can’t handle the Truth Wink

Ha, ha.... not so smiley but I'll make a note of that any way to refer to next time I need a good laugh.

You should only be laughing and if you are not, you are very very confused.

Stay fun and you shouldn’t have to try to smile if you know.

Your grin will fill the universe.

Pretending muppets, please, who do you think you are fooling

Only yourself.

WRT Smiley's post before his last one....

Excellent advice Smiley... art is very therapeutic. My suggestions were only for those who feel the need to talk about their experiences with those professionals in the field.

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WRT his post following that one...

Thanks, smiley.

99 wrote:I can relate to everything you're saying PF but if you talk about such things to the wrong psychiatrist (the mainstream ones), you'll be diagnosed as bi-polar which is the catch-all diagnosis they use just to get the ball rolling in the mental health field regardless if you ever experience mood changes or not beyond what's considered normal.
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I've been having these experiences since I was thirteen. Various other psychic phenomena since before then. It runs in the family. A shrink won't make it go away. Nor will the shrink convince me such occurrences don't exist.

But what it means.. well, unlike Dan I don't pretend to know the answer to that. I just know it's real. Whatever 'real' may mean in this context.

Good that you had your family as your support system and I can't even overemphasize how important that is especially considering the age when you started having them. You're one of the lucky ones, knock on wood!

Imagine how it must be for 13 yr. olds who have those experiences but have parents who instead would choose to have their child on anti-psychotics. Not that such meds would stop those experiences from happening but then other more extreme treatment programs would be tried out too. What a nightmare!

PF wrote:LHC->Large Hadron Collider. A particle beam collider at CERN in Geneva Switzerland. Discovered the HIGS Boson in 2012. Is currently undergoing a High Luminosity retrofit to increase beam power.

LIGO-> Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory. Recently observed gravitational waves of two supermassive black holes colliding. Confirmed aspects of Einstein's General Relativity theory.

Dan: Crazy or not, I'm still curious. How do these two relate? Are you talking batshit, or speculating on GUT? Or both?

In the end, does it even MATTER? (sorry, I couldn't resist)

The people at CERN are saying that the universe should not exist.

Anti-Matter Angst: The Universe Shouldn't Exist

Space.com wrote:The universe is the embodiment of an epic battle between matter and antimatter that occurred immediately after the Big Bang, 13.82 billion years ago. Evidently, matter won — because there are galaxies, stars, planets, you, me, hamsters, long walks on sandy beaches and beer — but how matter won is one of the biggest mysteries hanging over physics.

In the end, does it even MATTER? (sorry, I couldn't resist)

The distinction between material and immaterial is mostly immaterial! In-form-ation requires representation.

dan wrote: it’s MoAPS within MoAPS.

Time to end the tyranny of good and evil.

I like that song too whoknows. No one sang it like he did.

it's really simple, to my mind, and that is all I can express in all the ways at my disposal (gotta watch out when my blood sugar is low; all bets are off at that point:shock: ).

Love

Everything is fine, wherever you are, it works out, somehow.  It’s magic.  

We are a jigsaw puzzle with 10^10 pieces.  Not one piece is redundant...... not one is missing.  

We’re like the individual cells in our body during development/metamorphosis.   And we are the brain cells of God.... throughout.  


About LIGO and the LHC.........

I have my neck out pretty far.  I admit it’s a stretch.  

But this is not a random conjecture.  This is a finely tuned, self organizing system.  The Anthropic Principle, unimaginably precise, is just scratching the surface.  That surface is our launch pad for Omega.  


4:40..........

The only point I’m trying to make is that an immaterial cosmos is necessarily geocentric and anthropocentric. This is not immediately obvious, but it logically necessary, nonetheless.



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dan wrote:Everything is fine, wherever you are, it works out, somehow.  It’s magic.  

We are a jigsaw puzzle with 10^10 pieces.  Not one piece is redundant...... not one is missing.  

We’re like the individual cells in our body during development/metamorphosis.   And we are the brain cells of God.... throughout.  


About LIGO and the LHC.........

I have my neck out pretty far.  I admit it’s a stretch.  

But this is not a random conjecture.  This is a finely tuned, self organizing system.  The Anthropic Principle, unimaginably precise, is just scratching the surface.  That surface is our launch pad for Omega.  

(cont.......)

Very good Dan.

You aren’t a totally clueless Muppet.

Dan,

Does sweating the small stuff ring a bell? But honestly I've also found the The Anthropic Principle pretty amazing as well. I just try not to fixate.

Has anybody else noticed that it's getting really hard to get a rise out of smelly lately. For most of us anyway. Alright you imposter, where is our smelly and what have you done with him?

Pffft! It was I who was getting the rise out of all of you, haha.

I am constant as the Sun

whoknows wrote:it's really simple, to my mind, and that is all I can express in all the ways at my disposal (gotta watch out when my blood sugar is low; all bets are off at that point:shock: ).

Love

Yes brother, they have forgotten mostly still.

They can’t hear or understand their blood.

But we have not.

We have remembered and heard the song.

We are singing our own songs back in response and we grow powerful.

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Aho Mitakuye Oyasin

To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.

You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.

Thank you for this Life.

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I am connected to all things and nothing
Let those with wisdom hear the song
And follow it into Darkness
Where they can find the Golden thread
And follow it back to the Sun

I am grateful

Thank you, smelly.  

Folks are missing the old smelly.  

Me.....?  I’m ok with the new smelly.  The old one is just taking a nap.  
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But, if Eric wants to be angry with me, this is the time and place to sound off.

There is an apology.  I’m always apologizing.  Each time is different..... seat of the pants..... I’ll be working on the latest version....

So, moving right along, sapience is synonymous with personhood.

Sorry....... mama don’t allow no transpersons...... and this is not about gender....... this is saying that super persons are oxymorons. There are no artificial persons.

God is a person, just like you and me.

When you combine the LHC and the LIGO cross you get the symbol for the Earth, with persons in the middle.


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Dan,

How’s it going in mexico? Anything significant to report?

Smelly,

Good to have you back ripping into the muppets.

dan wrote:Thank you, smelly.  

Folks are missing the old smelly.  

Me.....?  I’m ok with the new smelly.  The old one is just taking a nap.  

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I don’t think they miss me in their face Dan, but I was just going with the flow.

I’m not a performing monkey, oh, right, I AM only a performing monkey

It takes a village after all.

We all do our part best one can manage.

Taking a nap...like we do when we die I guess.

So many are waiting to whisked away into some new adventure when they die.

All I see waiting for me at this point is a black hole and I ain’t coming out of it

Whatever I am now, I assume is absorbed into the soup and reformulated.

Personality death is hard for Muppets, I sympathize.

I don’t know what’s going to happen.

No one does really.

But for some reason I know it’s going to be fun.

dd,

Skai is our guy in the desert.  I would pray for him.  With Ron and Aliyah, it’s business as usual.  It always is.  Not even a blink.  It’s true for John..... it’s true for the Eschaton.  Me.....?  I still blink a lot.  I haven’t drunk enough Tea, yet.  

Yucatán is mostly like home. The only secret is that there is no secret. But us ufologists...... we just don’t get it. We can’t understand muppetdom....... despite what smelly says. We are way dumber than muppets.


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Dan,

I think you make a grave mistake by viewing NHI through the lens of spirituality. By assuming a universal anthropocentrism that places you - yourself, personally - on a righteous pedestal by dint of any contact you may make. It is not a signal of divine prophecy and you are not a prophet. The last thing this planet needs is yet another UFO cult.

PF,  

Universal geocentrism........ again, that’s an oxymoron.  

The BPWH is strictly a small world hypothesis.  

There are mystical altered states that seem like super intelligence, but this is just an indication of the non limitation of personal intelligence.  

It’s not the size of the world that limits us.  Personhood necessitates a personal, quantitatively finite world.  

Only love is infinite, of which we are fully capable.  

Scientists never tire of telling us how finite we are...... as if they had proven it.  

Scientists have no clue what mind is, but they are certain that they can measure it. That is way beyond stupid.

Ufologists swallow the whole package...... technology is the only thing without limit. This is beyond silly.


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Dan,

So knowing Skaiz, what he has said, and the fact that he’s “your guy in the desert,” I’m guessing there is nothing to disclose, because there’s nothing about the world that his medieval metaphysics can’t account for? I will pray for him.

There is nothing to disclose because everyone already has access to the information. It’s a question of the dominant interpretive paradigm “shifting” (aka the MOaPS), and how to effect such a shift, that is being ruminated over.

dd,

Hallelujah.....!  

Why couldn’t I have said that?  

The only secret is that there are no secrets.

We live in an unobstructed ‘universe’.   The only obstruction is the fear we have of our unlimited power.  We scare the bejesus out of ourselves.  I don’t blame us.  

The muppets understand this intuitively. The rest of us are much too smart for our own good. Isn’t that right, smelly.



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Dan,



Maybe the Princess would enjoy that for her next meetup/book study?

dan wrote:dd,

Skai is our guy in the desert.  I would pray for him.  With Ron and Aliyah, it’s business as usual.  It always is.  Not even a blink.  It’s true for John..... it’s true for the Eschaton.  Me.....?  I still blink a lot.  I haven’t drunk enough Tea, yet.  

Yucatán is mostly like home.  The only secret is that there is no secret.  But us ufologists...... we just don’t get it.  We can’t understand muppetdom....... despite what smelly says. We are way dumber than muppets.  


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Dan has been drinking or having some good loving.

Maybe he drank the tea!

Naaaa.

Haha, he said muppetdom and we are dumber than muppets.

Tru dat.

Despite all his bitching about me, I have left a mark, not that it means anything much

I stick to your shoe like gum or poop.

CS Lewis was no where as open as the other Inklings.

Too bad.

He could have been another Blake or Welles if not for his religious nonsense ;!

Read Owen Barfield!

dan wrote:dd,

Hallelujah.....!  

Why couldn’t I have said that?  

The only secret is that there are no secrets.

We live in an unobstructed ‘universe’.   The only obstruction is the fear we have of our unlimited power.  We scare the bejesus out of ourselves.  I don’t blame us.  

The muppets understand this intuitively.  The rest of us are much too smart for our own good.  Isn’t that right, smelly.  

(cont........)

No fear.

Straight on and you will have the BEST time.

“Participate in the night leaving,
participate in the evening coming,
participate in the stars,
participate in the clouds;
make participation your lifestyle
and the whole existence becomes such a joy,
such an ecstasy. You could not have dreamed
of a better universe.”

Here is the thing about the smelly goat, until you are laughing with me, I’m laughing at a muppet.

Why not?

Muppets are hella funny to mess with, so seriouz or sad or mad.

It’s my daimon, sorry, and that’s ME.

There is your portal to all of it, a knowing smile and wink.

Only way you can pass within.