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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:28 am

    Jesus is a story.
    Here called attis…..

    http://www.truthbeknown.com/attis.html

    The assumed route of the sun settles for three days at it's lowest declination, it remains there for three days, then arises.
    Late December.

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:36 am

    So what?

    Are you saying that Jesus was fake news.  

    Because that is exactly what you are saying.  

    And, hobbit, exactly what I’m saying is that the Big Bang is fake news.

    And I have the proof.  The Princess is my proof that the Big Band is a made up story.

    It is called Saving the Appearances.  You’d better read the book.  It will cure your dyslexia.


    And now smelly is calling me a name dropper.......

    So be it.......



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:41 am

    It doesn’t matter what you say or do Dan.

    You are all here.

    What would I do without you all?

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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:00 am

    12 zones of the zodiac about a central point 12+1=13.
    12 disciples about jesus 12+1=13.


    I like 13.


    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144.


    Ophiuchus

    Once You get a grip of that serpent it takes a lot of holding onto, slippery so and so is consciousness.
    But it likes been recognised , and will supply whatever is desired.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:31 am

    Ok, hobbit, let’s you and me talk about numbers.......

    Where did numbers come from?  That is my first question to you.  Did they come out of thin air?  

    Did we come out of thin air?

    Tell me where 0 came from.  Did it come from the void?  

    Oh, but you will say that the Fibonacci numbers came from nature.  Nature invented the Fibonacci numbers.  You can even prove it.

    Maybe you can.  

    Forget zero. That’s too easy for me. Let’s try ‘one’.

    Does 1 exist in nature? That’s not quite so easy for me, but the ideas are the same.

    Can you point to ‘one’, in nature. Yes, it is the first or second number of Fibonacci, but that’s begging the question.




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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:47 am

    dan wrote:Ok, hobbit, let’s you and me talk about numbers.......

    Where did numbers come from?  That is my first question to you.  Did they come out of thin air?  

    Did we come out of thin air?  


    The "air" is the atmosphere where nested geometries of carrier waves create memories called elements, they are local torsion fields.
    Those fields are attracted to other elements that are resceptive to each others geometries to form compounds …..add infernitum=You.


    Universe is a perfectly packed solid of geometric form, the faces of this been the various dimensions, consciousness flows about all of this attracted to it's opposite spin self ( ourorobus)

    Excuse spellings.



    The torsion fields are upon specific faces of this geometry, our vehicles been 3D.

    Consciousness is what is called god.
    it travels along super high frequency carrier lines along the geometric faces of the packing.

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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:51 am

    Numbers are derived from frequencies relative to the geometry of the packing, the shapes of numbers been relative to the created field structures by 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9....0 been an overall field shape.

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:56 am

    Ok, hobbit, you recognize that consciousness is crucial to numbers.  

    So, did consciousness come from numbers, or numbers from consciousness?

    But, no, I won’t be distracted quite that easily......

    The number ‘1’ is sometimes referred to as the identity.

    Where does the concept of ‘identity’ come from?

    It there any identity in nature?



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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:02 pm

    Did chicken little come before the egg man?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKIs1J_nB4A



    https://www.facebook.com/scientific.vedas/posts/337957093058010


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:09 pm

    hobbit,

    You suggest that I am asking you meaningless questions.  

    You will tell me that chicken and egg evolved together, and that is true from an evolutionary point of view.  

    But, I’ll ask you, where did the soul come from?  

    Maybe the soul and persons evolved together...... quite possible.  

    But I doubt that you actually believe that.

    You speak of cycles of the universe. Are these cycles all the same?

    Do you know anything of the Anthropic Principle? Where did that come from?


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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:11 pm

    dan wrote:hobbit,

    You suggest that I am asking you meaningless questions.  

    You will tell me that chicken and egg evolved together, and that is true from an evolutionary point of view.  

    But, I’ll ask you, where did the soul come from?  

    Maybe the soul and persons evolved together...... quite possible.  



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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:15 pm

    And where did 5D come from?

    Where did the concept of dimensions come from?

    Are dimensions something more than a concept?

    I could ask if time is more than a concept.

    Dimensions come from the idea of measuring space.

    Who are the measures? Aren’t we the measure of all things?


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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:29 pm

    dan wrote:And where did 5D come from?  

    It's a different dimension relative to the faces on a perfectly packed solid universe.

    If You ask Me where that came from , I will not defer to a mythical god.
    I consider that to be a cop out where this mythical god is thought of as
    a superior being that must be worshipped and feared.

    Fear is all there is to fear.

    Hermes trismegistus   shows the triangle within an upside down triangle in the palm of his hand, that is IMHO ( in my hobbit opinion)
    A simplification of a super complex geometrical substance that forms universe.
    Consciousness is the serpent ( a consequence of opposite spin adjoining fields) that flows endlessly about this causing creation via compressions of consciousness.



    If one had enough consciousness then, one could replicate a fish or loaves of bread as many times as required , as all in creation are but mere memories, complex memories that humans have developed in the most perfect manner.


    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/384494886917391919




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    Post by jofo Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:49 pm

    hobbit wrote:
    dan wrote:
    If one had enough consciousness then, one could replicate a fish or loaves of bread as many times as required , as all in creation are but mere memories, complex memories that humans have developed in the most perfect manner.
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    yes hobbit...i see the truth in that
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:16 pm

    The hobbit just feels right to me Wink

    Dan is not in opposition at all.

    The hobbit has been patient.

    Good hobbits.

    I can attest to the slipperiness of the serpent.

    This consciousness shared between us is a crafty energy.

    I guess we are all nodes within it.

    It is the Magician one meets or the blue stone one has to swim to the bottom of the ocean to grasp.

    It is so hard for me to talk about.

    But if you look across history, some are better at pointing to it than others.

    Our version of Jesus from history is not the True one.

    That one is in the serpent and must be experienced.

    Muppets are sooooooo superstitious and ready to worship any golden calf they find or cop out and say they believe nothing they can’t sense or test.

    It takes courage to wrestle with the serpent and live to tell the tale.

    And what a tale it is.

    The source of all tales.
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    Post by Guest Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:10 pm

    Hobbit,

    Your understanding of Jesus not existing, and being borrowed from pagan myths, is based on outdated scholarship, that even agnostics like Bart Ehrman soundly reject.  The video below demonstrates this in a humorous fashion.



    When it comes to the transcendental argument for God's existence, take the following simple quiz.  It will lead you along the logic that Dan is attempting to explicate.  I think you will find it helpful in following the argument.

    http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:33 pm

    desertdweller wrote:Hobbit,

    Your understanding of Jesus not existing, and being borrowed from pagan myths, is based on outdated scholarship, that even agnostics like Bart Ehrman soundly reject.  The video below demonstrates this in a humorous fashion.



    When it comes to the transcendental argument for God's existence, take the following simple quiz.  It will lead you along the logic that Dan is attempting to explicate.  I think you will find it helpful in following the argument.

    http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

    I was a Christian, I totally disagree Wink

    Christianity points to direct experience, Jesus preached Zen, they made up the rest. I have studied it all and then I experienced it.

    But we will never agree, nor could we.

    It ain’t in no book, it fills every book and all space.

    If you aren’t a contemplative, you don’t know.

    True contemplatives like Thomas Merton are with us.

    The rest regurgitate lies.

    Direct knowing never condemned any to hell or heaven, foolish religious muppets, oh my.

    Until your knowing comes from direct experience, you laughably don’t know shit and should seek others who do ASAP and shut up and listen   Wink

    Most Christians have no idea to be born again leaves one with no distinctions.

    That’s the aroma of love, not sectarianism, that all smells like death. We point to the life within and without here now, the rest is a story.

    If you want to really know, you will give up everything, even your life, because you will have to, to accept it all.
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    Post by GrandCru Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:10 pm

    desertdweller wrote:

    When it comes to the transcendental argument for God's existence, take the following simple quiz.  It will lead you along the logic that Dan is attempting to explicate.  I think you will find it helpful in following the argument.

    http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

    I kept clicking "I don't know if absolute truth exists" then "Absolutely true". HA. It then brought me to the begging screen, and honest, I kept repeating this thinking there was a lesson or a pop up eventually.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:59 am

    Desertdweller,

    I have never said jesus didn't exist.
    To me He will have been  shaman.

    My understanding of what occurs at the solstice is dowsing based, and involves how the fields interact then.

    The carved panels at Angkor wat display this best.

    The timing between the solstice and equinox is not equal, and the little chaps pulling the serpent around the pole where a reversal occurs are displaying this.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Angkor+Wat+Vishnu+Churning+of+the+Ocean+of+Milk&FORM=IDINTS

    The churning of the milky seas is how consciousness reacts to field variations, and it is all field based.

    http://www.veloasia.com/library/buckley/churning_milk.html


    UFOs are field manipulators, they are time machines where whatever is inside their field displaces in time.

    It is only by endless dowsing that I have gained this knowledge of how consciousness is where the truth is.

    My biggest driver is to comprehend this truth, not to simply accept the assumption based so called facts.

    BELIEVERS are driven by their brain field EGOS to defend that belief,

    Here in GB We have lots of megalithic remains, these were the domains of shaman, they are local field modulaters where massive rocks were utilised in precise locations to divert and accumulate massive amounts of the duality of spin flows of consciousness.

    I can follow all of this and thus determine the design criterias and timing usage of these devices for consciousness interactions...…..especially reincarnation back to their tribe.

    The story of Jesus contains many hidden clues that are not obvious until the ability to recognise the flows of consciousness is gained.

    No healing is involved, it is transfer from a huge field to a depleted field where the depleted field then remembers how it is programmed to be...thus heal thyself.

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    Post by dan Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:59 am

    Ok, sports fans,

    Here’s what we all agree on.......

    1)  The world is psychocentric

    2)  The disclosure of that fact is going to be laissez faire

    When we grok on these two implicit agreements, we will grok on everything else.  

    The only thing left to flesh out is the meaning of ‘psychocentric’.

    To wit.....

    How does psychocentric differ from panpsychic?

    The difference between these two terms is similar to the difference between panentheism and pantheism.  

    The other thing that will have to be fleshed out is the meaning of ‘psyche’.  

    Are we all together, now......?

    Let’s proceed slowly and deliberately......

    Laissez faire.......?

    Neither donny nor the Princess will directly intervene in Disclosure...... WoM/MoAPS proceeds apace.  

    IOW, sports fans, I, chicken little, have the bully pulpit, right here on Cy’s OMF.  Presidents and Popes may come and go as they please.... laissez faire.....


    10:40.........

    Ron and I had our morning briefing........

    I reported that yesterday’s conversation with Steve Greer was no different than any other conversation I’ve ever had with Steve.  Steve doesn’t know the truth, but he knows more of it than any other civilian..... thank you very much for asking.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:38 am

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/psychocentric


    Is there a plural as I do not adhere to just the brain mind ( field) ?

    The body is a construct of various minds within the dominant heart mind, but many humans now have allowed the brain mind to become dominant'


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    Post by dan Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:48 am

    hobbit,

    You are a pluralist.  I’m a monist.  

    You know your numbers.  You are a numerologist.  

    How many numbers are there, hobbit?
    .......


    On with the briefing........

    When I hung up with Steve, I was going to call the Princess back, but, inadvertently, I dialed David Gladstone.  He commutes between San Francisco and Oslo...... poor guy.  

    The subsequent conversation I had with David was much more enlightening than the one I had with Steve.  David ended the conversation with these words, relative to any campaigning...... you can rent me, but you cannot own me.  Hmmm.........

    After Ron, I had my briefing with Buddy........

    During my conversation with Buddy it occurred to me that I don’t need to rent David, because I already own him, in the name of the Truth.

    Isn’t that right, hobbit? And, so, I own you as well. I own everyone on the ‘planet’, so long as I own the Truth.

    There you have it, sports fans.


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    Post by hobbit Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:03 am

    I too reckon that all is created in one, but with infinite variations.
    Those variations are field based.

    Humans are a conglomerate of fields, and they exist within the dominant field of this planet.

    This planets field has an overall heart centre, but there are multiple local fields also.

    All fields react to the local inflow and resultant outflow from them and then effect near fields.

    The moons field is the best teacher of this especially four times a month ( lunar months) 13x4=56

    Everyone realises how water reacts, but have been indoctrinated to BELIEVE there is a force called gravity, there isn't.

    It is field variations that cause local variations in the difference between inflow and outrush.


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    Post by dan Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:11 am

    So, there you have it, hobbit.  

    I do own you.  You just said it........ ‘I too reckon that all is created in one, but with infinite variations.  Those variations are field based.’

    You should have stopped right there, hobbit, and thought about what you had just said.......

    You said a mouthful ....... much better than I could have said it!  

    That is the beginning and end of our story.  

    I know the rest of that story.  I will school you on the rest of the story.  

    I will school the ‘planet’, whether the ‘planet’ likes it or not.  

    The first thing you need to understand, hobbit, is that there are no ‘buts’.  Everything else is simply the BPW.  

    ‘All is created in one.....’, you say.  You didn’t just say all the numbers, for instance....... IOW, all the numbers.... all the fields.... etc.....



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    Post by hobbit Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:20 am

    Dan,

    You want to run for president?

    Offer the people ( We the people) the knowledge of how universe operates.

    That there will be little need to keep raping this planet as at present, no need for oil dominance and it's plastic consequence.


    No need to tarmac so much land, let the planet live naturally.



    This can be achieved by field recognition, this will give so called anti gravity, all existing transport can be quickly adapted to operate with field manipulators.


    A local field manipulator will enable weight free displacement in whatever direction with no crashes involved ( how many birds do You see hitting each other in huge flocks, or fish in huge shoals?)

    We can have the best possible world, which it already is, but it won't be too much longer as humans are killing it.

    This is not been done deliberately , but because of ignorance, and greed.

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