Immaterialism 7

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Thank you.

Yes, I know while yall are tryin to bring this about I get to laugh and watch it always fail.

I always show up when it gets good.

Of course I read the Illuminatus! trilogy before I met you.

I ain’t no dumb goat.

Im a blind smelly one.

Jack was as close as I could get to RAW.

And now I’m talking to Dan Smith, haha.

Look ma, no hands.

Anyone immanetizing the eschaton gets poop.

Poop, there it is!

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The portals are opening right on schedule.

Are you suggesting that we resist?

I am suggesting nothing.

It’s gonna be how it wants to be.

No kidding, smelly.

Just an aside due to the mention of jazz....

This is the school I went to in Leeds....




hobbit

Would Congress not be advised to inquire as to whether, at least, two of the Presidential candidates in the last election wittingly availed themselves of extraordinary means to manipulate the political process?  

The Founders did not explicitly anticipate such an eventuality, however, we now appear to be confronted by such circumstances.

How should we now proceed........?

Clearly, there is an urgency for clarity..... transparency.  

The existence or non existence of extra dimensional phenomena should clearly be a matter of public concern, over and above what currently amounts to a merely professional self interest..... in a continuing obfuscation.

The public involvement of at least one Presidential advisor in the exploitation of such phenomena should, most definitely, be part of the wider public’s concern....... even if there is a wide resistance to being so informed.  Questions of due diligence and a citizen’s obligation do arise.  


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Dan: "The existence or non existence of extra dimensional phenomena should clearly be a matter of public concern, over and above what currently amounts to a merely professional self interest..... in a continuing obfuscation. The public involvement of at least one Presidential advisor in the exploitation of such phenomena should, most definitely, be part of the wider public’s concern....... even if there is a wide resistance to being so informed.  Questions of due diligence and a citizen’s obligation do arise."

You are sounding unusually lucid today! And there is a rather large database (80,000 plus pages of documentation) regarding the "exploitation of such phenomena" which at the most mundane level involves a bit of psychological manipulation and at the highest involves senior policy decisions ... but that was over 24 years ago.

It would be revealing for a similar batch of documents to come forward on the post-9/11 "exploitation of such phenomena" given the programs were implied in the post-9/11 Ministry of Defence documents.

Of course we had Chris Mellon on the radar years before he stepped out of the UFO closet -- but that was from private e-mail shared by Chris Robinson which also point to Donald Rumsfeld as operation head of this effort at that time.

Christopher Karl Mellon (born October 2, 1957) is the former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and later for Security and Information Operations. He formerly served as the Staff Director of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. He is also a writer and businessman. He is a member of the Mellon family, and the son of Karl N. Mellon, the great-grandson of Gulf Oil co-founder William Larimer Mellon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mellon

I forgot to add that Robinson claimed most of the e-mail exchanges had mysteriously disappeared and it wasn't until he found copies of some messages in the pages of a book that he was able to produce documentation on his involvement in the post-9/11 American effort.

What is most intriguing of course is not what is revealed but what has been redacted to protect "friendly nations" programs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6388575.stm

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121110090012/http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/DisclosureLog/SearchDisclosureLog/RemoteViewing.htm

Gary,

And who could possibly have the standing to launch such an inquiry on the national level?  

Certainly not the current President.  

It would at least require the participation of a national news outlet.  

Up until the termination of my communications with the Foot, the project at the Lake was still in ascendancy, and I have no reason to suppose that it is not ongoing.  

Barring any further developments out of the Puthoff/DeLonge camp, the Lake operation is the only one even barely visible, and that through a legal action that has been reported only in Britain, curiously enough.



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Grant is dropping some links from the Lake operation that are launching today:

https://acceleromotorone.org

https://newphysicsteam.org/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-firmage-67447b68?trk=people-guest_profile-result-card_result-card_full-click

...so now their selling small versions of the "bouncing box/rattling cage"

It is baffling why there is no demo video on the website. Basically a repackaging of their older motion physics website, nothing substantially new that I can see...

@A,

Yes, it would be hard to believe that any reputable news organization would wish to associate itself with an initiative that appears quite so marginal.  From the outside, the Lake effort seems only to be a standby effort....... standing by for what, we might wonder.

There may we’ll be several such putative efforts, on standby, including DeLonge’s, that could be activated on short notice, to siphon attention away from other, more spontaneous, less containable, developments that are feared to be percolating.  

However, from a purely ontological or epistemological point of view, the magnitude of the anomaly will be not nearly as significant as its sustainability or its reproducibility.  


2:10..........

The whole point of mysticism is to immanentize the Eschaton.  

There is the deliberate containment of the Eschaton to individual psyches.  

The prophetic tradition comes along and we see the equally deliberate social entanglement of the Eschaton.  

Mysticism was very deliberately suppressed by the prophets.  That individual charism was siphoned into social/communal channels.  

With the religious and scientific establishments, we see a very deliberate routinization of the individual charism of the spirit.  

From the smoldering flames of the Inquisition, it was but a small logical step to the founding of the Royal Society in 1660.  

Keep in mind that the leading light of the Enlightenment, Newton, was more passionate about his alchemical studies than his mathematics.

Yes, the zeitgeist of the of the Renaissance was molded into the Procrustean bed of a compartmentalized Science.  The public was vouchsafed its Blue Sky dreams.  

Yes, Science was able to bottle..... to harness those dreams into the scientific Revolution.  

Is that Revolution running out of steam.....?

Perchance it is.  The psychic steam is still there, but science no longer is able to capture our imaginations, as it once did.  

So we turn back to witchcraft.....?


3........

We’re all dressed up.... with our internet, and nowhere to go.

We realize, at least unconsciously, that we have wandered from home, just about as far as we can go.  

How far can we wander into the Wilderness....?

Can we still become more lost in space and time?  

Science has succeeded in fragmenting reality..... in, almost literally, atomizing the world.  

There is only one job left for us....... putting it back together.  

And there is no way we can put it back together...... without cheating.

We have to comprehend the Alpha and Omega..... and understand how the two Ends can be fit back together.  That is the small world..... that is the best possible world, and it’s Metanarrative..... its meta Metta, if you will.  

The atoms of this brave new world are just us....... persons.

We, the larva, have the blueprint of the cosmic Butterfly stored in our genes..... in our collective unconscious. Its archetypes are percolating into our consciousness, just as the portals begin to reopen.

But this time, the entanglement is Global..... we have wired ourselves for the occasion.



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Hi

Saying we have to immanentize the Eschaton is like saying I have to grow my hair...or like saying magnents have to attract.

It is just a simple fact

Everything can only be nothing

Given my age...34, you all have about 32 years left until I die and you all go poof

Oops, I gave away my secret

Best not to do that...

Stick your eschaton up your ass you pretending idiot.

**Spits in morons face**

**MUAH**

How’s my charisma?!

I stand with ZhouZhou, we feel you are all morons, thousands of years behind.

Ha!

Nice try smelly

**Dodges smelly spit**

Idiot, they pop up everywhere.

You need a time out

I'll tell you a secret, it's in the center

Go there naughty boy

You know nothing dullard.

In all your comings and goings, you were always here.

Your illumination is a billion miles away.

You need not mount the donkey.

Mounting the donkey is a sickness.

You are the donkey.

No seeking, wander.

What is the path?

The ordinary mind.

Wisdom is like the sunrise.

It is all illuminated.

What you are is active and fuctioning right now.

No eschaton needed.

It’s hard to find people here now.

I’m sorry, the eschaton is not a part of it, idle imaginations of the stupid and idiotic.

Fuck the arrogant who stand in pulpits.

Musk is naturally fragrant.

See all the phonies abounding, like bunnies.

Like human dung.

Ultimately there is just the smell of shit about them.

Smelly does not like to mount the donkey

Smelly doesn't like to revisit the greatest story ever told

Okay, noted

Smelly won't touch the metanarative with a 10 foot pole

The Dude is still upset that Donny had to die and Walter dumped the ashes in his face.

I don’t need a metanarrative.

I’m a blind donkey wandering.

And metanarratives are dualistic and materialistic.

This is the Immaterialism thread.

If all exists in mind, WTF do you need a metanarrative?!

You have swallowed Dan’s materialism and duality and you don’t even understand the concepts or how they relate.

You are out of your depth.

You climb in the trees as a human and you will fall hard.

Maybe keep it simple stupidz.

Couldn’t you have brought me smarter ones God, these ones are defective.

smelly wrote:

If all exists in mind, WTF do you need a metanarrative?!

It's fun and stories are how persons relate

smelly,

You could be..... you will be guiding us to the Omega.  

You attempt, strenuously, to shake off the responsibility........ going to great lengths.... to deny.

Resistance is futile.  

You have demonstrated that you already have one foot on Monadnock.  You needn’t be quite so impatient with the lame and halt.  

Have you not already seen the Seine?  Show us a spark of your empathy.  Does that spark embarrass you so?  

The Monad is like that recently discovered black hole at the center of M87.  It would be like spotting a sand dollar on the Moon.   How did Katie Bowman get so sharp eyed?  

She wired the Earth to be a single radio lens..... a synthetic aperture.  That is exactly how we are going to put our wits together to grok on the Monad.  You will be our guide star, smelly.  

Isn’t that right, Aaron?  



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I’m just playing with your concepts Dan.

I don’t mean anything by it or mean it in a mean spirited way.

It’s a playful frustration.

Coherence has an incoherent/insubstantial background.

They pivot on each other.

You can’t work it logically.

There is nothing to work out.

Do you need to know anything?

Self can be a coherence and other related to self can be coherent.

The other is not the opposite or another coherent self, it’s all else.

This is incoherent.

Coherence emerges from incoherence.

This is the activity of reality.

Stories seem coherent and causal and offer some help and can open to the incoherent part of the story.

It’s one thing to have fun, it’s another to deceive people.

Self deception is fun, but generally it’s driven by pain.

Some want a coherent fairy tale, I get it.

Let’s talk about fairy tales and the coherence theory of knowledge.

For something to cohere, it is understandable by humans.

We have no idea if we are just using the coherence theory of justification to extend our own fairy tales.

All metanarrative breaks down at the incoherent singularity.

You touch the Way, the Way touches you.

Reality touches us all the time.

I came here to be touched and to touch, not to grasp.

Not to hold onto.

Anything you hold onto, you can drop.

Being is not dependent on anything you hold onto.

Haha.

http://www.bestpossibleworld.org/index05.htm

There was class full of children. The teacher handed a blank sheet of paper to all the children. The teacher would have the students play dot-to-dot where the teacher would describe the dots and where they are located on the paper. The children's task is to pay attention to the teacher describing this dot-to-dot so they can each draw it out and connect the dots. Smelly, being one of the first to figure out the puzzle, went around the room trying to take away all the children's puzzle yelling out "don't do it, its just a dumb circle".

What smelly doesn't seem to understand is that nobody will believe him who hasn't drawn the dots and connected the dots themselves.

You saying that shows you who you are.

See it?

Your words are meaningless for me.

They only reflect you.