Immaterialism 7

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damnit

lol

shrug

Dan, all I have proved is I’m a blind donkey.

My concern is not that anyone believe me.

None of that matterz for my self.

But if someone takes a dump next to me, I’ll lkkely tell them it stinks and might tease them and say they smell like shit.

If they follow the coherent words about shit to their incoherent source.

They could find instant illumination.

I don’t care how this is received.

I don’t care what anyone says about it.

I don’t have a point but to say your poop is smelly.

maybe smelly is just saying once you connect the dot-to-dot circle why keep retracing it over and over

It is after all a single circuit...

perhaps he has a valid point

shrug

I’m pointless.

When you are, yuh won’t care what I say and you will just play.

Why so serious about eschatons?

I poop on the eschaton.

Smile like you mean it.

smelly,

Ok, be our laser guide star.  Our adaptive optics system...... us, deployed globally, needs a reference star.  You have a problem with that?  Aaron and I will even hold your hand.  

Won’t we Aaron?

Or smelly can be our anti guide star....... wherever smelly points, we just look in the opposite direction.  

You poop on the Eschaton......!  That’s exactly what I mean....... we just follow the smell...... and voila...... there’s the Eschaton.  


Thank you Aaron...... for your double teaming..... one on the head, the other on the rear. smelly’s not quite as slippery as he thinks.

Maybe the both of you deserve a rest.



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I don't know man...smelly is making me feel more lazy all a sudden

not to mention I watched the Big Lebowski last night

perhaps I just stretch out on this lawn-chair and sip a margarita....

a cat has to take his/her cat naps....

they have several a day

I'll be back after my nap

nighty night

dan wrote:
You poop on the Eschaton.   That’s exactly what I mean....... we just follow the smell...... and voila...... there’s the Eschaton.

lol

magic bananas

we do both deserve a rest Dan, that's true

wu wei is always at rest

some magic cats nap while they hunt or while they play I guess

Do you negotiate with the Sun or Moon or Stars?

They just move through the Sky.

Because of their predictable movement, we use them to navigate and plant things.

Do you use comets and meteors this way?

We may only see them once in a lifetime.

This happens to anyone who shares the experience of now.

Do you understand every piece of art you have experienced?

They leave impressions on you made up of the env and the person and the art.

I could just write poems or tell funny stories like others.

But I’m in one place, here.

Anything you focus on, you become.

Anyway, I don’t want to talk about me.

I’m just here, so what?

I speak up spontaneously, no idea where any word will go.

I know what happened, I showed my self.

No one else needs to know even.

It might be better if they don’t.

Our denial of our death leads to many fairy tales.

It’s impossible to avoid them and if you try, people seem to become militant atheists.

I don’t know about anything beyond my life.

I can only answer one question.

How then shall we live?

Be here.

you can't be anywhere but here smelly

why do you enjoy pooping on the story

its just a story

it didn't really harm you

it was all just a dream within a dream

how do you like to eat your oreo cookies at the restaurant at the end of the universe?

everyone has their own style

the differences don't really matter so why poop on the guys who enjoy splitting the oreo in two and eating the cream and cookie separately?

you like to eat it all in one bite

cool

do you like to dip it in milk?

I do

Why did Bodhidharma stare at a wall?

Why did Joshu spit in anyone’s face who asked what’s the point?

Why did Jesus wash others feet?

These things happen.

I’m an in your face donkey.

I don’t need more stories.

Eeeeeeeee Awwwwwwww

Shrug

these things happen

Sacha Stone.

hobbit

Joe is claiming to have been appointed President of the Space Council according to a release he posted on his linkedin page today. The Space Council really is a thing (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/fifth-meeting-of-the-national-space-council), but there is zero mention of the cheeseman in any news releases or websites anywhere, except for his linkedin page. Hmmm...

who cares about Joe....

This Sacha Stone dude is one to pay attention too

i'm 6 min in to that video

this guy is not to shabby

thanks for the share Hobbit

its a good warning about becoming spellbound

now just don't go and get spellbound by Sacha Stone

zen and wu wei do seem to be the most direct route of breaking the spell but they leave out persons

The west and east do merge in the center

Western Zen was a trap set for individuals in the West.

You don’t need Sacha, watch yourself, don’t need me either.

We didn’t gain our sight for others.

Funny thing is, once that light always here is visible to you, it blinds you after a beautiful last look.

You see your self unfolding as a flower in your life.

Seeing is just for the one here.

It happens.

I can’t say I recommend it.

Maybe stick with your stories.

Only the touchy feely base jumpers find this ultimately.

You have to be the one who Peter Pan begs to come with him.

Only problem, you have to jump out the window and actually fly.

wow

The eschaton and the metanarative are sacred cows we must ultimately hulk smash

clinging to nothing you do float with the clouds

the last idol we smash cannot be given any warning

wu wei

turns out the way is no way

who would have thought?

not me

gypsies are free

sorry Dan

smelly is kind of right

we do cling to the story until we don't

shrug



lighting strikes once, maybe twice and you see your a gypsy

lost and wondering we face our freedom with a little bit of fear at first...until we don't I guess

pull up a lawn chair and have a margarita

we are having a pool party at the edge of the universe

cheers

flip flopping is fun

I could do this for eternity

personal...interpersonal...impersonal...it's all variations the same thing

it is not meaningless

the meaning is the appearance

the appearance clings to nothing

Aaron, one thing I learned on OMF, the wind always blows and spins us in circles or we seek shelter in a story, but when you put a sail out of your own making, away you go.

Whoosh!

Some of us weirdos do like to stand in the cold dark rain forgoing shelter.

We want to take it all in.

To touch it all and be touched by it all.

Straight on.

What is the self?

Entanglement I feel.

What happens when it’s all untangled?

Tell me the story that explains chaos.

Tell me the story that describes death.

All stories end at the barrier.

If you were with the real, you wouldn’t be there.

My gospel is to live here in your life.

Sounds like the jmans real gospel to me.

Work with what you are.

Love the ones you are with.

I don’t live in a story about the end of being.

Plenty of liars live out there.

No liars are here.

We don’t need a better story.

We need to remember the source of all of them is us.

Follow the story to the incoherent source and what do you have?

Happy Happy Joy Joy

the metanarative is an abstraction of one thing

self

what is self?

It's entanglement

what happens when its all untangled?

we aren't gonna know

just like we won't know our own death

What story explains death?

The self want's to live forever




The way that can be traveled is not the eternal way

we see our life here

what else is needed?

you need share nothing

but the eschaton is someone else's story

its not even ours really

the Tao having done nothing always escapes because it loves obscurity

the Tao is like water, it always seeks the low level

the path of least resistance

I am not condemned to an apocalypse

I can choose my own adventure

what happens when untangle it all?

what happens when you reduce it down?

"Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after recognizing what is and accepting what is, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters."

light and dark arise mutually

what is the difference between on and off?

everything is interdependence

all of what arises mutually is the Tao

are persons central to the Tao?

persons and the Tao arise mutually

no persons, no Tao, no Tao, no persons

mutually arising is the key to riding the wave of wu wei

to connect the net you disconnect the net

it's counter intuitive

but you can play with it

you are here and words appear

When the dream, or any fiction, comes knocking and asking you to come and play, try kindly declining for a month or two.

Thought and stories are talking monkey crack.

Some people taste nicotine once and that’s it for life.

If you clear your mind for awhile, and man, did I need to clear my mind after short circuiting it, things become clear in stillness.

The emotions come to pull you away.

They are the ones hooked on the stories.

One summer, when I was 12, I watched one soap opera and I was hooked. I watched every soap opera I could tape the whole summer.

Just my experience.

Dan is a crack dealer.

They are trying to sell you maybe the best crack ever!

Blind donkeys don’t be smokin no crack.

I just had to let the dream go.

Eeeeee Awwwww



Lennon, the most god damned beautiful human being I ever saw or heard.

What a day when he died.

I was the dreamweaver.

But I am reborn.

I don’t have a problem with the dream.

Just remember it is one and be fucking nice to each other please.

Stop making me come down here

Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

And don’t forget to turn the lights off when you are done playing.

the dream is the dream
its over before it began
and it goes on like this here now
ordinary mind
simple everyday life
flowing like water

We are playing those mind games together Dan pushing the barrier, planting the seeds.

Love is the flower.

You got to let it grow.

Don’t dream about death.

Amazing song if you listen to John you will know for sho.



This is the Voice in your face.

Instant karmas goin to get you!

Gonna knock you right in the face.

You’ll be dead soon.

We all shine on like the moon and the stars and the sun.

liberation is the end of death

what's dead may never die so why try?

if you can't beat em, join em

smile like you mean it