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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:03 pm

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:59 am

ParanoidFactoid wrote:
GrandCru wrote:
Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


He's just confusing consciousness with unconsciousness. That small world where an immaterial magic carpet flies and magic lamps rubbed ends in mess after the genie erupts from slumber's wakening.

Very apt.

I spent three nights at a different latitude, but was perfectly aligned on an east/west line when sleeping.

I had most bizzare dreams, and been the total geek I am was waking up trying to work out why.

I then worked out the flows of consciousness at that latitude would vary from My normal latitude, hence variant information.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:11 am

GrandCru wrote:
Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


Ignore what I said about Joes spinning wheels

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on.

I can't explain in words what happened, but Joe's machine is only a symbol.

Joe's machine is spinning wheels, The Princess is the center of spinning wheels, like the center of a Galaxy.

The early Christian Mystics described the center point as our spirit. It is a black hole of nothingness. Joe's spinning wheels were symbolic of searching for more answers "out there", but there are no answers out there. We are the answer ourselves and there are no questions but one and this whole experience is the unfolding of that realization.

Joe's machine is the opposite energy of The Princess as she has moved her point of reverence to the dead center and stopped spinning completely.

But in a non-dual reality, those opposite energies attract and become one in the same energy.

Joe's machine is gravity and The Princess is also gravity.

Agape love is the purest form of gravity.

We are the Universe searching for ourselves.

Boo! I see you!

If we were to fly in a straight line through the cosmos we would end up right back at earth, just like if you walk in a straight line across the earth.

When you travel through a portal into the Tesseract, you are spit right back out into this dimension. The only difference is you experience time differently after that you have access to infinite time and space, which you always had access to you just didn't realize it.

Nothing to see here, move along.

The nuts and bolts are not separate from consciousness.

The world and the universe is your mirror.

You have to be willing to die for it though in order to truly awake to the Buddha nature that is already you.

Few are willing to let go of their attachments.

The paradox is, you don't really have to die or do anything at all, how you are now is already enough, so I don't even know why I'm pointing at the moon.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:16 am

Freakin love hobbit, who talks like that Wink

How was your vacation hobbit, well, I found a church where the inflow and outflow of 3D consciousness was maximized near ancient church pillar.

He ain’t pretendin if I was to offer an opinion, but it is, just like, my opinion, man.

He’s having a very personal experience.

What’s it like to be hobbit?

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:22 am

smelly wrote:Freakin love hobbit, who talks like that Wink

How was your vacation hobbit, well, I found a church where the inflow and outflow of 3D consciousness was maximized near ancient church pillar.

He ain’t pretendin if I was to offer an opinion, but it is, just like, my opinion, man.

He’s having a very personal experience.

What’s it like to be hobbit?

Well I walked head first into this in the woods at a place called cragside.




https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/8069695/Sculptor-creates-giant-tree-spirit-at-Stately-home-Cragside-House.html

And what a place cragside is.



https://www.visitnorthumberland.com/historic-sites/cragside-house-gardens-estate



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Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:06 pm

Smelly is wiser than he smells

Joe's machine is Joe's machine.

The end.

What is it like to be Hobbit, that is a very good question?

I think Hobbit has some fascinating experiences up there in the shire.

I would love to visit Cragside someday, looks like a really cool place.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:01 pm

smelly wrote:
GrandCru wrote:
Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


My vote is he is just nutz, but you never know, or can we?

In other news, I’m kinda of attracted to my dead friends wife, who committed suicide, does that make me a bad person?

Ha! Alright alright, I was playing with fire. You can't have my wife Dude!

We heard people talk about Joes machine and gathering data and readings and what not and we let our eyes roll a little out loud.

Who cares.

All is in the flow.

Yes, there is a consciousness personal connection with his machine and there is probably no point in talking about that since it was so personal.

We get it. Symbology is symbolic and personal for a reason.

No need to trap ourself, got it!

Moving on!

Joe's machine is Joe's machine.

It's in the past.

Straight on.

Gees, U don't let U get away with anything.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:14 pm

Ackbar wrote:Smelly is wiser than he smells

Joe's machine is Joe's machine.

The end.

What is it like to be Hobbit, that is a very good question?

I think Hobbit has some fascinating experiences up there in the shire.

I would love to visit Cragside someday, looks like a really cool place.

Not released yet, but filmed at Cragside.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2140507/

Tesla was the man.


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Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Awesome! Will definitely be watching that one.
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Post by dan on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:30 pm

Welcome back, hobbit, thank you for the link to the movie.  

Shall we get back to the personal, please.....?

My present thinking is leaning to the view that existential personalism borders on being a contradiction in terms........

Existentialism, although not necessarily, is generally conceived in a dualistic, mind/matter, context.  

The basic insight behind existentialism, is that the individual is ‘thrown’ into the universe, having no essential relationship with other individuals.

This is almost directly contrary to how personalism is generally understood.  The only rationale for this form of personalism is that it is somewhat compatible with scientific cosmology.  

Phenomenology is the corrective that needs to be applied to existentialism, before it can be considered in the context of personalism. It is still quite a stretch.


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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:38 pm

I know the problem you are having Dan, but I can’t make the connection for you.

I suppose you understand what you need to and it’s good enough for where you are.

I can’t argue it with anyone.

I really can’t and know this is where we start talking in circles.

It breaks down trying to be objective about a subjective experience not completely describable by words or numbers.

Is this not where faith is needed Wink
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Post by GrandCru on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:55 pm

smelly wrote:
I really can’t and know this is where we start talking in circles.

It breaks down trying to be objective about a subjective experience not completely describable by words or numbers.

This is the most accurate description of what happens here. If I've learned anything, it's that there's nothing to learn. So I can tune Dan out because I won't miss anything.

Sometimes I pretend to learn, which I call experience as a human. It's fun to pretend sometimes. Smolly for the win.

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Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:55 pm

My apologies Dan.

Back to the personal.

When everything is personal, nothing is.

Keep it simple.

The play is the play.

And it is a play of nonsense.

Take all abstractions with a grain of salt and keep your grin on
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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:00 pm

GrandCru wrote:
smelly wrote:
I really can’t and know this is where we start talking in circles.

It breaks down trying to be objective about a subjective experience not completely describable by words or numbers.

This is the most accurate description of what happens here. If I've learned anything, it's that there's nothing to learn. So I can tune Dan out because I won't miss anything.

Sometimes I pretend to learn, which I call experience as a human. It's fun to pretend sometimes. Smolly for the win.

U got the beat GC.

Tag, you’re it Wink

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Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:41 pm

dan wrote:Welcome back, hobbit, thank you for the link to the movie.  

Shall we get back to the personal, please.....?

My present thinking is leaning to the view that existential personalism borders on being a contradiction in terms........

Existentialism, although not necessarily, is generally conceived in a dualistic, mind/matter, context.  

The basic insight behind existentialism, is that the individual is ‘thrown’ into the universe, having no essential relationship with other individuals.

This is almost directly contrary to how personalism is generally understood.  The only rationale for this form of personalism is that it is somewhat compatible with scientific cosmology.  


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Consciousness is paradoxically nonsensical in this dual non-dual experience. Imagine for a moment the centre of the circle without any of the radii. It is Consciousness without anything to be conscious of and, therefore, unconscious.

As Gregory of Nyssa and Dionysius call it the 'dazzling darkness'.

Just as light is darkness when it has no objects upon which to reflect, so Consciousness is unconscious when it is witnessing no experiences.

You are one single ray of an infinite number of radii and you are the shared center of those radii.

But I can only speak from my personal experience.

News from nowhere.

Straight on.

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Maybe Dan should try some psychedelics. Laughing



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Post by dan on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Bless you, Akbar and smelly......... (bless you all, of course).....

We are all on the same page.  Despite all the protestations, there is only one page to be on, I do believe.  

Don’t you believe?

Nature reflects us.  We reflect nature.  

And who are we?  

We are the reflectors of Creation..... no?  

And who is the Creator?  It is everyone who ever participates in life.  

We are the tapestry of Creation.  

Every atom reflects every one of us.  That’s how the world holds together...... through us.  Every atom reflects Eternity, don’t you know?  

We reflect Eternity.  This is God’s hall of mirrors.  

We don’t have to argue which life harbors which soul, because there is only One...... one life..... one soul.  

There is just the warp and the woof...... woof, woof.  

Aliyah and I spoke of quilts..... for half the evening.  Didn’t we, Akbar?  As if you would know..... as if you wouldn’t know.  

We have created our very own quilted rabbit hole.  We call it Earth.  

It can, and will, be very cozy....... when we come to appreciate it.... in unison..... and in due course..... in the fullness of time.  

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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:31 pm

If we don’t kill each other, I guess it might take, oh, I don’t know...1000 years Wink

Perhaps the numbers must be much smaller to reach consensus?

I can follow that logic out, which is why no one has control.

Maybe Consciousness is just the DivineOS.
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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:46 pm

A new physics discovery that could have some huge implications and I know the quantum effects don’t happen at larger scales, as far as we know or understand.

“Electrons can ignore the lattice and form their own society.”

Let that sink in, they can override the lattice.

But, once the electrons break free of the lattice, they can be manipulated with a magnetic field any direction they like independent of the underlying lattice.

“With human beings, you cannot change their culture so easily, but here it looks like she can control how to reorient the electrons' many-body culture."

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Post by Aaron on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:05 pm

Ackbar died and a three toes sloth was born

I don’t know Dan, did you talk about quilts with Aliyah?

Quilts are cozy. Smile

Smelly, that is a very interesting story.

Goat electrons going their own way with the help of magnets.

Sounds about right.

Pretty interesting

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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:51 pm

TheSloth wrote:Ackbar died and a three toes sloth was born


It was a trap!

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Post by hobbit on Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:35 am

smelly wrote:A new physics discovery that could have some huge implications and I know the quantum effects don’t happen at larger scales, as far as we know or understand.

“Electrons can ignore the lattice and form their own society.”

Let that sink in, they can override the lattice.

But, once the electrons break free of the lattice, they can be manipulated with a magnetic field any direction they like independent of the underlying lattice.

“With human beings, you cannot change their culture so easily, but here it looks like she can control how to reorient the electrons' many-body culture."


They call it electricity.

Consciousness is manipulated by spinning powerful magnetic fields.

They call them generators.

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Post by dan on Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:42 am

One thing smelly hasn’t quite taken on board......

He’s like the psychiatrist...... treating the patient, ignoring the culture.  

The culture is due for a little therapy.
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mion and AP have both noted the Sunspot closure.  

Sunspot and Salt Lake....... are we receiving a signal?  

Sigint >> humint.  Maybe it goes the other way, too, as suggested with LIGO.  

A little therapy from nowhere........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNF9w86LJ64  

I speculate..... a communal sort of crop circle..... from the sky?

Individual instruments don’t pick it up..... a phased array of sigint and humint.

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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:09 am

dan wrote:

mion and AP have both noted the Sunspot closure.  

Sunspot and Salt Lake....... are we receiving a signal?  

Sigint >> humint.  Maybe it goes the other way, too, as suggested with LIGO.  

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Nobody's saying a thing about that in the press. Been news in conspiracy circles for the last four days or so. Do you know something everyone else doesn't?
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Post by dan on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:14 am

Maybe it has to do with quilting.  

Quilts are a social phased array.

The Dinner Party........?

The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.....?

Sunspot has become a black hole in our collective psyche.  

OM is a phased array, in we haven’t figured it out...... and a bit of a black hole...... you know, with smelly......

Go figure........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lt8llc97x0c

Looking for some one.....? Aren’t we all? Maybe Sunspot has their very own smelly?

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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:36 am

dan wrote:Maybe it has to do with quilting.  

Quilts are a social phased array.

The Dinner Party........?

The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.....?

Sunspot has become a black hole in our collective psyche.  

OM is a phased array, in we haven’t figured it out...... and a bit of a black hole...... you know, with smelly......

Go figure........

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