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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

[The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism  
should be substituted here... ]
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(cont......)


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:26 pm

desertdweller wrote:Dan,

You recently recommended Carl Jung's book on UFOs as a "hint" at the true nature of disclosure.  What other books/philosophical treatise would you recommend as a reading list?  (I know you will recommend your BPW writings, but what would you recommend from others?)

Your heart.

It’s all there.

Ain’t in no book.

No more Messiahs needed either.

You will and can only do for your self.

The ego reads books, both are abstractions.

An abstraction reading about abstractions is funny, no?

You alone are the only person needed for Disclosure.

Be the Dude
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Foot Mann on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Smelly insulted me, calling me a Human Being. The Princess would have never considered marrying such an evil thing, so she selected a fine specimen of Frog and converted me into human form. That is the form in which she currently serves as does Kashmir, but do not confuse form with function. The Princess is pure energy. Otherwise I liked Ackbar's list. Perhaps not in totality, but certainly a nice start without the usual Scientology Techno Scammers that are so beloved by the loons.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:52 pm

dd,

I recommend Owen Barfield..... Saving the Appearances.  

I think smelly has read it...... on my recommendation.  


And, smelly, the next time you insult one of many, many friends..... well, my friend, you may live to regret it.  

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:07 pm

Foot Mann wrote:Smelly insulted me, calling me a Human Being. The Princess would have never considered marrying such an evil thing, so she selected a fine specimen of Frog and converted me into human form. That is the form in which she currently serves as does Kashmir, but do not confuse form with function. The Princess is pure energy.  Otherwise I liked Ackbar's list. Perhaps not in totality, but certainly a nice start without the usual Scientology Techno Scammers that are so beloved by the loons.

I can’t be insulted, one difference between us, of many I’m sure.

I think I smell something...

*sniff* *sniff*

We are here in form, so the rest can be forgotten Wink

I am only Human as far as I know and it is a beautiful thing.

I wallow in the dirt
The dude gets down
With the least of these
Good and Evil
All the Daimons and Angels
Come and hang
Oh yes
Tis True
Smelly Smelly
Indeed
My mother weeps too
Boo Whoo
I know of the frogs
Takes a Princess indeed
To find the
Frog in the Prince
And give the Prince
Back his heart
Just a game
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Post by dan on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:10 pm

smelly is not as stupid as he looks.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:43 pm

Safer to look and sound dumb in front of the truly stupid.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Ackbar on Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:07 pm

Was giving the High Priestess in training a bath tonight and asked her what we should do about disclosure.

She was mixing a deadly concoxion and looked up at me and simply said "we can give them this poison I'm making".

I then asked her how will we get the world to drink this poison, she said "we will put it in the Apple like the Queen witch did it". (She was talking about Snow White I believe, since that is one of her favorite movies)

What was in her poison concoxion?

It was honest shampoo and honest conditioner.

I think that ought to take care of disclosure, some good old fashioned honesty.

What is honesty?






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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:21 pm



As I was reading the Foot confess his true Frog nature on OMF, I kid you not, I was reading this on my wall.

For you see when this Frog Prince returned home, his Princess had decided to frame an old frog illustration with this caption.

That there is what they call communication from nowhere or here.

Sorry guys, the Magick is real here, find your own Wink

Bahahaha

This is so easy I didn’t realize...

That isn’t a synchronicity I could ever explain to anyone.

I can’t keep count anymore.

As I drove home tonight the birds swarmed over the causeway and I flew with them.

Everything is turning to gold.

This is the other side...

Far out, it’s full of Stars

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:15 am

Foot Mann wrote:Dan has a way of terminating all attempts at disclosure. Mixing loons, crooks, and worse on a list with Joe once again successfully terminated all action. My sense is fools have no need to know anything real, so they sit back and listen to the Scientology Techno Scam with joy.

Why is it you and Dan hang out on the same email mailing lists these Scientology crooks and physics kooks with PhDs do, discussing advanced propulsion? I don't think you two hate them as much as you pretend.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:48 am

dan wrote:dd,

I recommend Owen Barfield..... Saving the Appearances.  

I think smelly has read it...... on my recommendation.  


And, smelly, the next time you insult one of many, many friends..... well, my friend, you may live to regret it.  

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Why do you threaten people, Dan? What is up with that?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:53 am

dd,

The ‘insult’ in question was that smelly referred to Ron as a human.  Clearly, I have to defend Ron’s honor.  You will have to carry the logic on from there.  


In an email exchange, yesterday, Bill L defended my small world hypothesis (SWH), but said that, as a practical matter, he would play along with the big world hypothesis, because the SWH was just to far ahead of its time.  

AP blames my SWH on the Princess’ influence on me, and sees the R,A&D show as intended to sabotage the true nuts&bolts disclosure.  

Rather, I see the nuts&bolts disclosure as a strategy to soften the eschatological implication of the SWH.  

Joe Firmage will be sticking with the scientific aspect of his Device, although some of his slides will depict anomalous phenomena.  Kevin is taking the ‘broader’ approach to describing Joe’s data.  

Joe is concerned to maintain his projected image of adhering to science.  He doesn’t wish to be embarrassed with gremlins.  That will be Kevin’s role.  He gets to be the devil’s advocate.  

Me......?  All have to adjudicate...... if the issue remains before us, for more than a few days.  It may not.  We shall see.  


PF,

Why do I hang out on Jack’s email list.......? I like to keep up with both sides. See how open minded I am?



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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:56 am

dan wrote:

PF,

Why do I hang out on Jack’s email list.......?  I like to keep up with both sides.  See how open minded I am?  

(cont......)

You see? You're all one big happy family! An aging hippy who saved fysics in a hot tub zonked on LSD. The Scientologist with an E-Meter in one hand and a book of RV protocols in the other. A CIA goon with a ponytail and a wife born from a time machine pod who's also an alien. The eschatologist preaching a soon to come big end to our small world after all.

Pass the pancakes and maple syrup?
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Post by dan on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:03 am

PF,

I’m so glad that you are enjoying the show.  We have something for everyone.


I want to thank Ackbar for posting Grant’s video, Tales of Unity...... It was produced shortly after he published Managing Magic (2017).  It is an excellent defense of the Mind over Matter thesis.  I wonder if public pressure is pushing him back the other way.  

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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:10 am

dan wrote:PF,

I’m so glad that you are enjoying the show.  We have something for everyone.  

I may be irreverent at times. But I know the core issues are very serious. As are the people involved.

All of them. Even if there are divisions in views and values.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:11 am

smelly wrote:

Your heart.

It’s all there.

Ain’t in no book.

No more Messiahs needed either.

You will and can only do for your self.

The ego reads books, both are abstractions.

An abstraction reading about abstractions is funny, no?

You alone are the only person needed for Disclosure.

Be the Dude

We second this

Goats are wise creatures

In the end of the companion book to the Mary-el-tarot deck it says,

"Lastly, there is no knowledge that can be found outside yourself that is better than what is inside yourself. You have access to it all (as does every person), alone; you are enough. Potential reality is wide; experienced reality is narrow and supports what is in your heart and mind."
-Marie White

I do admit however, I do love using her deck and it's companion book as an accent to this experience we are voyaging through together.

Marie is without a doubt on par with some of the greatest Old Masters who have walked this lonely planet. But we do not idolize anyone knowing all things are a reflection of U and part of the whole of who U are.

"Time is a factory where everyone slaves away earning enough love to break their own chains." - Hafiz of Persia

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Post by Ackbar on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:19 am

To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

You can then just step through your mirror like Alice did.

Consciousness is the missing key to Joe's device.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by whoknows on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:27 am

smelly wrote:the birds swarmed over the causeway

Made me think of.

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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:13 am

ParanoidFactoid wrote:
dan wrote:PF,

I’m so glad that you are enjoying the show.  We have something for everyone.  

I may be irreverent at times. But I know the core issues are very serious. As are the people involved.

All of them. Even if there are divisions in views and values.

The divisions and cracks you see and feel are the key to all of it for you.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by GrandCru on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:19 am

Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:20 am

Been away for a few days here....






https://www.lindisfarne.org.uk/


The immaterial there outshines the material, and is carved in the columns ( geometry)
I needed to re charge as such.

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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:20 am

whoknows wrote:
smelly wrote:the birds swarmed over the causeway

Made me think of.


Trippy in a Lovecraftian way

5 Smelly Goats!

Bahahaha
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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:22 am

GrandCru wrote:
Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


My vote is he is just nutz, but you never know, or can we?

In other news, I’m kinda of attracted to my dead friends wife, who committed suicide, does that make me a bad person?
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Post by smelly on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:24 am

hobbit wrote:Been away for a few days here...

https://www.lindisfarne.org.uk/


The immaterial there outshines the material, and is carved in the columns ( geometry)
I needed to re charge as such.

Hobbit

Beautiful

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Post by hobbit on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:27 am

The columns of Lindisfarne church are the same as Durham cathedral, and those at Lindisfarne are well weather worn.

I checked the columns out and found the patterning detectable about them.
It's how consciousness implodes into 3D .

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=columns+carvings+durham+cathedral&id=CDE595D70B1E632A0AC3F360438EB6659732295B&FORM=IARRTH

There's very powerful flows there on Lindisfarne.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:50 am

GrandCru wrote:
Ackbar wrote:To get Joe's machine to work properly, you must project the gravitational waves it produces into your bathroom mirror using your consciousness as the anchor and then your seemingly normal bathroom mirror can transform into an Einstein Rosenbridge to other dimensions of time and space.

Interesting take Ack. Either your spreading disinformation or sharing your thoughts on nuts and bolts.

I've heard you say that disclosure is entirely personal, but your description above definitely comes off nuts and bolts.


He's just confusing consciousness with unconsciousness. That small world where an immaterial magic carpet flies and magic lamps rubbed ends in mess after the genie erupts from slumber's wakening.

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