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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by TheSloth on Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:47 am

No, dumb is the part that is not unique.



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Post by TheSloth on Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:05 pm

“When all your questions disappear – not giving you any belief; all beliefs gone, all questions gone – then all stupidity, all foolishness will be gone. Then there is a flowering, a blooming, and that blooming is the answer.” Osho
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Post by smelly on Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:46 pm

Dan is up to something Wink
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Post by TheSloth on Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:16 pm

Dan, as Royal Scribe, is scribbling up something it seems......

Just Chicken Scratches?

Who knows....
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by TheSloth on Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:14 pm

A TV producer, a Smelly Goat, and a Scribe walk into a bar.
The Scribe says to the TV producer, “I have a proposition for you. I have a time traveling, portal opening, world ending, world creating, Han-Shan reincarnating, enlightened Smelly Goat and he has a story to share with the world about the fundamental principle of enlightenment.”
The producer says, “fabulous, tell me your story Smelly Goat. What is the fundamental principle of enlightemnent?”
The Smelly Goat turns to the TV producer and does the floppy tongue dance…

The producer, thinking he understands, makes a film about a time traveling, portal opening, world ending, world creating, Han-Shan reincarnating, enlightened Smelly Goat with a floppy tongue and sends it to the Smelly Goat for approval.

The Smelly Goat watches the film and immediately calls the TV producer and tells him to come visit him.
The Smelly Goat meets the producer and asks him to demonstrate the fundamental principle of enlightenment as he understands it.
The producer does the floppy tongue dance and the Smelly Goat cuts his tongue off.
With blood gushing out of his mouth, TV producer runs away screaming in pain.
The Smelly Goat, in a similar fashion to Alice’s caterpillar says, “wait, you there, come back! I have something important to say.”

The producer returns and the Smelly Goat asks the producer again to demonstrate the fundamental principle of enlightenment as he understands it.
The producer goes to stick out his tongue and flop it around but it isn’t there and he is immediately enlightened.

The Producer throws away his film about a Smelly Goat, transforms into a butterfly and flies away never to be seen again.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Bahahaha

We all get a turn...

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Post by cwallatruth on Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:10 am

dan wrote:cw,

donny’s time line is from the day he was born....... he’s always had the inkling that he would be the last real president..... but, still, he is about 75% fake news...... briefed news.

It’s really up to us to decide how much longer we need to keep donny in office...... and that mostly depends on mike, doesn’t it?  

How much has mike been briefed...... how much does he have his head around it?  

The sooner he gets his head around it, the sooner can donny ride off into the sunset....... get his 72 virgins, if he hasn’t got them already.  

IOW, cw, the whole Russia probe is fake news.  It’s just for public consumption, as way for donny to make a graceful exit, when his time is up.  Then it’s mike’s turn.  The crucial question is who will mike choose for his vice president .

Many of you may not remember when spiro resigned.  My question is how was jerry selected.......  it was not until Nixon got re-elected.  Until then, the second in line would have been the speaker of the house.  

No, sorry....... as the laws stands now, the President can nominate a new Vice President, to be confirmed by the Senate, just like with brett.  

The worst case scenario is that I would have to be mike’s vp.  That is the scenario that we are trying to avoid..... isn’t it, sports fans?

But, wait..... Nikki has just resigned..... that might be my proper spot.  

In that case, donny wouldn’t have to resign, unless he wanted to get out of Dodge.  

So, either Nikki resigned to be Mike’s vp, or for the Princess and me to go to the U.N.  Maybe both.  

So, cw, you asked about the time line, and I’ve given you the basic parameters for it.  

The only other parameter is for how long we can keep the portal proliferation quiet.  I don’t think for much longer.  Do you?  


(cont......)

Dan,
Here's a question I haven't seen anyone ask you.... how different would the state of disclosure be right now if HRC had won?

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:24 pm

from Senator Rand Paul
‏@RandPaul
"The FBI Director just testified in the US Senate. I asked him if @realDonaldTrump phone conversations are getting collected in the FISA database. He wouldn't answer. Is NSA or FBI listening in on our President? We know bad actors exist within intel community. REFORM NEEDED NOW"


Dan... who are the bad actors you see?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by GrandCru on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:30 pm

TheSloth wrote:Dan is not who most think he is.

I was read in.

I wonder who Dan is....

Laughing


So Sloth has been read in. Another claimed insider...insider of nothing. Disinformation at best.

Smelly seems more read in than you. Prove us wrong.
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Post by smelly on Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:09 pm

GC, I was always a quick study, I begin to suspect my deck is stacked in my favor and I stacked it.

I’m a wild flower blooming is all.

I authorized myself, haha.

I am not in anyone’s orbit or debt.

I serve no elite, they serve me.

This is my world.

This was my doing.

It is all for me Wink

You all just get to live here too.

I love my connection to Dan and to Sloth though, they are interesting muppets and talk to me.

I really just wanted someone to talk with about this extraordinary life.

And the others I have connected with.

Really, I’m having so much fun in this life, I share that to say I’m grateful.

Perhaps a little of my sadness and joy come through.

I’m grateful for all of it.

I’m grinning.

If you can find your grin, god your life will blossom into a beautfiuful thing.

Did I go through their protocol, no, I helped write it.

Did I go through the portal, no, I am the portal.

Do I know Ron and the princess, only in spirit.

What is this life?

Today I am in awe of its manifest beauty.

And i Love it the way it is.

And I love all of you and myself the way we are.

Dan gave me a place to be and I will always be thankful to him for hat.

I hope anyone really involved is joyful and feeling the wonder of it.

If you are, please look me up, I really love connecting, like Dan.

I will only tell you that you have everything you need.

If you know that, then we can at least share some good music and a laugh.

Is the smelly goat such an asshole to wish you a joyful whole life?!

Am I so wrong to share nakedly as I do?

I think I did the best thing I could with what came to me.

Everyone else can only speak for themselves.
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Post by TheSloth on Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:25 pm

GrandCru wrote:
TheSloth wrote:Dan is not who most think he is.

I was read in.

I wonder who Dan is....

Laughing


So Sloth has been read in. Another claimed insider...insider of nothing. Disinformation at best.

Smelly seems more read in than you. Prove us wrong.

Yes, correct. Insider of no thing. Maybe an insider of the dazzling darkness. Maybe an insider of the blinding bright. Maybe an insider of the inside outside and the outside inside. Maybe an insider to the small world portals and the halls of Amenti. Maybe an insider to the present sensation of non duration. Maybe an insider to You. Maybe an insider to the Dude. Maybe an insider to Project Alice in Wonderland. Maybe an insider to the ultimate mystery, to gnosis, to the illuminated. Maybe an insider to Love. Maybe an insider to myself. What else would I be read into but myself?

Just a muppet drone of the Queen Bee.

He who speaks doesn’t know and he who knows doesn’t speak.

The more you seem to know, the less you understand.

I know very little, but I understand a great deal...right here and now...

Where is here?

When is now?

I wonder who Dan is.....
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Post by smelly on Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:50 pm

I wonder who Dan is too.

But I wonder who I am most!

Who are we?!

Are we really events of consciousness happening?

Seems so, who else knows but us?

The implications of that are just beyond, but beyond is not beyond, it’s all right here.

BTW, Lewis Carol was probably a pedophile or so Nabokov suspected.

I don’t like pedophiles.

That boils my blood.

Things have many aspects, as does consciousness.

I experience it more like music now.

I told Dan, I’m no one, there must be much better channels than I.

He said, where are they?!

Touché.

So being here is kind of a qualifier.

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Post by cwallatruth on Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:30 am

smelly wrote:

I don’t like pedophiles.

That boils my blood.


Smelly,

Can you reconcile your view of pedophilia and
-your acceptance that evil is so good
-it's just entropy
-we must integrate it
-and without it we wouldn't know what order is

?

smelly wrote:

It’s really too bad the evil is so good, but this is the way the cookie crumbles

Coherence is as natural as evil, which is just entropy.

We are learning to integrate evil now as Jung said.

Chaos must exist if we are to know what order is.


Are you suggesting pedophilia is necessary in Dan's BPW and this world of your doing?

smelly wrote:

I serve no elite, they serve me.

This is my world.

This was my doing.
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Post by smelly on Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:03 am

Yes, I must accept pedophilia and confusion and evil, but I don’t have to like it.

My dislike is not a cover for my own struggles.

I have struggled with my own sex related issues.

I know there is a hunger there, a ravenous hunger that eats innocence.

Carol took many pictures of naked little girls.

He adored them.

The circuits get crossed.

God doesn’t want to touch my junk Wink

But evil has has penetrated me, one way or another seeds of entropy are planted.

But they can be removed with love.

I’m live and let live, but hands off other people’s junk.

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Post by cwallatruth on Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:23 am

smelly wrote:Yes, I must accept pedophilia and confusion and evil, but I don’t have to like it.


Dan,

Is the quote above representative of where you and Smelly's coherence breaks down?
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Post by TheSloth on Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:52 am

Interesting night.

Had a dream where I was floating down a river in a boat and I was browsing OMF on my phone.

Suddenly my 2 year old daughter appeared in my boat.

She has the same birthday as The Princess, but it means nothing maybe.

She was naked except for a diaper and small Eye tattoo on her wrist.

She asked me what I was doing

I told her I was blogging about something and she was too young to understand.

She grabbed my phone and threw it in the water.

I asked her what she was doing and she just gave me a hug and said I was too old to understand.

Moral of the story?

I have no idea.

Maybe just that the more read in you are the more un-read in you seem to be.
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Post by dan on Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 am

cw,

smelly and I agree on this, too.


Sloth,

You don’t realize that your dream is ‘plagiarizing’ Rumi?


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Post by smelly on Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:49 am

cw, we are imprecise and imperfect, that can be beautiful and ugly.

Pedophilia is an aberration born of imperfection.

Coherence greys at the edge of chaos.

These are Pandora’s delights and horrors both.

There are other ways to explain it, but I won’t try.

It is obvious.

It’s not good or evil.

We transcend those concepts with awareness.

But let me tell you cw, if you are aware, you are sober and lucid.

You know not to hurt anyone, you are able to love them through and through.

The Dude who Abides doesn’t rape or steal or murder or have hang ups, accept for my rug.

The Dude must abide with the fact that it happens.

I haven’t mastered evil, but I respect it and realized that weakness will be exploited as a natural process, so be vigilant.

I don’t know what you are trying to say.

Perhaps your Awareness is not clear on this.

Sit with it.
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Post by dan on Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:11 am

Btw, Sloth, my instructions this morning are to pay for a fancy dinner for you and your wife and Joe and Kevin.

This will be Kevin’s consolation prize.

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Post by cwallatruth on Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:39 am

smelly wrote:
But let me tell you cw, if you are aware, you are sober and lucid.

You know not to hurt anyone, you are able to love them through and through.

I haven’t mastered evil, but I respect it and realized that weakness will be exploited as a natural process, so be vigilant.

I don’t know what you are trying to say.

Perhaps your Awareness is not clear on this.

Sit with it.

What I'm trying to say is the infinite loop of yin and yang, good and evil is ever present. Thus your high level of sobriety and lucidity is also matched by an equally high level of your not knowing and being lost. Anyone who speaks with any certainty about anything is always suspicious to me b/c god can always ask who her God is, always. And by "suspicious" I don't mean ill intentions, I just mean no one can really know anything, or can we?

I am often confused on what Dan is getting at when he says he disagrees with you. It's above my pay grade as they say. So I ask dumb questions that reveal my lack of awareness. My best effort is that Dan thinks God is real and you say you don't care if she does or does not, yet you both agree to despise pedophilia, which exists in the world you made and Dan's God's BPW. Does a world without pedophilia exist? Why did we/God let it come into being? What order or good do we lose sight of if we don't have that contrast to relate to?
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Post by smelly on Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:10 pm

Very good cw, you are asking good questions, it is a great riddle, is it not?!

And when I say IT, I mean you Wink

You test things and come to a peace with your experience, a knowing comes when needed.

You shine that knowing in the chaotic world and you bring order and light wherever you go in the darkness.

You learn your power and place as fundamental to all things, step by step.

The darkness is trying to fool you.

Do you know how it is fooling you?

Dan and my Awareness is our own, you have yours, that’s your ultimate guide here, not us.

If you come across conflicting ideas, try to hold both of them as true or false together at the same time and you can see he conundrum of binary thinking and reductive science.

We collapse the wave form by will. The hand slams hard down on the spinning coin, but that outcome cannot be taken as true always.

You toss another coin and another, higher and higher into the air.

Heads/Tails Tails/Heads, what is the answer you scream!!!!!

Well, then, you throw the coin so high into the sky and it never comes back down!

Instead a rope falls from the sky.

If you see the rope, climb climb climb Wink

You may find a misty mountain up there in the sky.

There you can abide.

You are an uncertainty.

A question that can never be answered.

If it was answered, all of this stops.

We point, I can’t convince, it is self evident, two sides of the coin, but still, only one coin.

You are in the middle of flowing energy, you are flowing energy.

Forget the culture aspect that has emerged or corrupted us. Culture and tech are just tools of awareness.

You are at the gate cw, the dragon is messing with you.

Pushing you around.

I stood before the dragon.

It pierced it’s talon into my shoulder and said nose to nose...who are you little one?

It sounded much more sinister in my mind.

The small mind is a reflection of Big Mind.

It is the screen Awareness projects itself upon.

Up is down and down is up here now at the gate.

We can cycle from utter ignorance to master of ourselves.

The lesson is moving from evil to order, you learn you are pierced through by evil.

But what you truly are cannot be corrupted, but evil will help you to become aware of who and what you are, so how can this be a negative thing ultimately?

You will know what you need to know when you need to know it.

Right before you step off that cliff, you will know to jump or turn away.

But you will know only at that moment.

You cannot understand or contain Big mind, it is the non-local software running on you, the local hardware.

This is the work and how the Cosmos reveals itself through us.

It cycles as well, as above, so below.

A language based on a subject is not adequate to express this.

This is why the Zen came up with koans that leave you with no answers.

The words are pointers to the no-thing, or ultimate potential.

So you need to look to nature and to your own internal processes.

You acknowledge evil is Present, even within yourself here now standing between two worlds, we are chaotic good.

Balance is the best we can manage.

Get to it muppet.
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Post by smelly on Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:40 pm

Life is a win win, even with the pedos skulking about.

There is always going to be something skulking about.

If you open that door, you are done.

No ME will like the ultimate Truth.

Sorry, it is best maybe to just go live your life and make the best of it and don’t make too much a fuss.

We needed a natural life, not a perfect life, so that allows evil.

But you are not evil OR good.

Wu Wei is the art of sailing with what is flowing, not rowing, getting with it.

I have no intentions to be virtue, I am virtue.

I cannot find peace, I am peace.

Wink

Bahahaha, it’s wonderful is it not, haha!

Inferior Wu Wei is trying very hard to be Wu Wei, it pretends to be released.

The real Wu Wei is not intentional, so it is Wu Wei.

You attain by not trying to attain.

You do not cultivate anything, the ego cultivated itself.

We are all the Brahman.

So you attain, by not seeking attainment.

You are spontaneous naturally, but you can realize it only when you are the child.

You don’t really know what you want to do until you are in silence and it tells you.

You cannot enter the kingdom of heaven without coming as a child as Jesus said.

You are in heaven now, Earth is our spaceship in the void.

You are 80% water, our hardware is airy nothingness.

Heaven is Space.

Read nursery rhymes and you will get closer to IT than from reading Dan or I.

PROGRESS

It is foolish to think about attaining
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Make habits of courage, virtue,
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simply realize what is already always
present.

—Wei Wu Wei



How long ago is long ago?

Do what you do without knowing how Wink

I love this Universe.

A wonder.



You should be right turned around now and dizzy, good, stay dizzy.

BTW, whatever I write it comes spontaneously, I wrote these thousands of pages on OMF effortlessly.

All my words are Zero.

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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Enjoy your meal, Dan and Sloth.

Will Kanye be joining you?

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Post by cwallatruth on Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:50 pm

smelly wrote:

Balance is the best we can manage.


Appreciate all of that feedback, smelly. Genuinely, thank you.
The quote above brought it home for me. Balance has become a central theme in my life. Unfortunately I feel it also reduces from meaningfulness sometimes, bordering on nihilism. Knowing that I don't know though keeps me sane.

Was the dragon piercing you a specific moment you experienced?
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Post by smelly on Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:33 pm

Nothing that happens to you cw is unfortunate, realize it now and this will go easier.

The Dragon and I tangled several times and always will, it’s a process.

Yes, nihilism is a danger to MEs.

You will have to face your dissolution and make the best of it like the rest of us.

Two things once connected still influence each other.

This is the first law of Magick.

Science seems to prove this.

Surrounded by Heaven, serving my time in Hell with you Muppets.

How did I get so lucky?!

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