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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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First topic message reminder :

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Post by dan on Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:53 am

Be patient, Gary.  You’re getting ahead of the greatest story ever told.....

But before we get back to the beginning, there is an update......

I’m sending Final Draft 11 to Kevin, so that he can send a secure version of his report, which, hopefully, I’ll be reporting on, in a few days.  Ron and Joe will deny ever having laid eyes on it.  

After OM, the next stop may be Grant’s show, in about a month, where Kevin and I would appear.  

After the Grant show, next up will be to discuss the Gateway Network......  

This has also been referred to as the portal network.  Ron has mentioned three countries as being on the net..... Mexico, Argentina and Peru.  

What is the control status of the gates?  Who owns them?  

Of course, there are numerous other special purpose gates, but these (few?) have been brought online for the purpose of Disclosure.  

What about Russia and China, we might wonder? Is there not competition? I worded the question slightly differently...... don’t they want a piece of the action? Yes, they do.



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Physics and SWH



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Post by desertdweller on Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:18 am

Dan,

I'm just over half way through with Barfield. Monism aside, which I clearly disagree with, are you in favor of a return to the medieval epistemology of participation?
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Post by dan on Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:31 am

dd,

Yes, I do believe in participation......


Conversations with the Princess and Doug......

We are the imaginary playmates of the primordial cosmic observer.  

We have been playing hide and seek...... now’s the time...... all, ye.....all, ye, in free......

Better yet...... Doug already has Final Draft.  He is requesting permission from the Princess to serve as go between, between Kevin and me, to encapsulate/encrypt Kevin's report that he will then send to me with full security.  We ought to be able to complete the secure transmission this afternoon.  

Agreed......?

So far we have signed up Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, Peru and Malaysia in cooperative agreements in regard to the Princess’s network of gateways.  

The question then arises as to the legal status of the Princess......

I would put is to you this way......

The Princess exercises a limited sovereignty over her territory/network of gateways within the above nations.  Her legal status within those nations is very similar to that of a tribe, with her being the designated Chief.  

Kevin and Joe are the joint actuators of the gate at the Lake.  Joe is representing the Church, in this regard, under the auspices Dan M.  Kevin operates under the auspices of the Princess.  

She also maintains her artesian well as a personal portal. We believe that that two of Kashmir’s chickens may have escaped, thereby, under the actuation of Katarina.



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Post by jofo on Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:51 pm

where does john s fit into all this anyway?

will we finally get a look at joe's spinning thing?

will something actually perform some action or fulfill some purpose in all this?

seems like we will only ever have the correspondence version of the truth, and none of this will result in someone actually experiencing something coherent...someone please prove me wrong, or not, i expect not

as usual, there is really nothing new to disclose, just disclosure itself, the big distraction from the truth

btw, my hot tub is my favorite portal

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Post by dan on Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:51 pm

jofo,

Distraction from the Truth..........?

Creation, as it turns out, is our only distraction from the Truth of our loneliness, in the void.
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Dan you still have not addressed the Best Possible Unification (BPU) of QM and GR in the context of your small world.


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dan wrote:cw,

If you don’t know who they are, you’re probably one of them.  

Best response I’ve seen so far on OMF.
TY, Dan

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dan wrote:jofo,

Distraction from the Truth..........?

Creation, as it turns out, is our only distraction from the Truth of our loneliness, in the void.  

We are the void, just as much as we are an epidermis or a pancreas. We are the darkness behind our eyes. Opening your eyes creates light, but the darkness is still there, waiting for the next round of sleep. Portals are ways to open our eyes (or close them.) The question is how many ways can we open our eyes? Of course, I’m a sleeping dog, so Dan wouldn’t want to wake me. Jesus woke up a bunch of people. Did they have to be stirring to be awakened?
Dan, I toss and turn only because I like to come and go from stillness. At least, that’s what I tell myself.
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Post by dan on Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:00 am

Gary,  

I’m just not a big fan of mathematical unification.  

That would be the tail wagging the dog.  

In the BPWH, we’re the dog.  

I follow Einstein...., God had no choice.....

The BPWH was her only option.


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Do I have the knockdown argument for human exceptionalism......?  

My exhibit A for human exceptionalism is human evil.  Scientists will deny it.  

I deny it, in as much as I deny free will.

I don’t deny free imagination, and all that goes with it, which is just about everything else that counts as human.

Every human is quite capable of committing evil in their hearts..... in their imaginations.  

Well, let me put it in a somewhat more neutral light....... all of us are capable of imagining evil...... especially as it might be committed by others.  

Our ability for empathic intuition allows us to be empathic about evil.  

A scientist would likely take a skeptical view toward human exceptionalism, under any guise.  Hmmm..... would they recognize human arrogance?  

Is it evil of scientists not to recognize evil......?  

I don’t recognize evil actions, even though evil acts often spring from evil thoughts.  In fact, an act cannot be considered evil, if not so premeditated.  

According to the BPWH, the premeditation of an evil act could be considered evil, even though the act itself is not.  

Humans cannot avoid evil thoughts, just by default...... see if you can run around a barn three times without thinking of daisies...... not possible.  You have to know what your not supposed to think about, in order to have the test be meaningful.  Is it possible to forget why you are running around the barn while engaged in doing so?  Maybe once, but not three times, is the point.

We may consider ourselves good, only to the extent that we have to struggle with the temptation for evil.  No pain, no gain, as they say.  


Are scientists evil who deny human exceptionalism......?  

Yes, there are crimes of omission.  Well, let me say this, first......

There has been the grand deception.... there is the great apostasy.  And who was the greatest Deceiver of all, if not God?  

Is God evil......?  is there a God....?  

Was Jesus evil for perpetuating the myth of Hellfire and Damnation?  

Perhaps.  Should he have known better?  Or were those words imposed upon him by latter day revisionists?  Did Jesus even exist?  

If we are coCreators, who is God?  God is our cheerleader.  God is the one with the bully pulpit.  God has the last word.  

Is God a deceiver......?


11:10........

99,

You have a tendency to engage your keyboard before engaging your mind.  When I point that out, you are equally quick to hit the delete button on your own post.  

Please read what I am saying...... with more of an open mind.... more thoughtfully.  

Because I don’t believe in punishment, does not mean that I don’t believe in crime.  

Because we don’t have free will does not mean that we don’t have free thoughts.  We are capable of feeling guilt.  Confession and punishment can sometimes help to alleviate guilt, which can be a good thing.  But, ultimately, punishment, to be effective, must conform with our own understanding of our guilt.  Otherwise, punishment only breeds more resentment in the world.  

And, yes, there are times when punishment must be used as a deterrent.  Those times, however, are coming to an end, as we gradually enter into God’s kingdom.

Time outs are probably the most effective form of punishment for folks of all ages.  

To equate my thinking about such matters with Donald Trump’s thinking, or lack thereof...... I would hope that you might question your understanding of my thinking, before rushing to judgment of it.  
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Scientists, quite enthusiastically, participate in God’s grand deception.  

Are they to be blamed?  

Increasingly so.  

Science is lacking in elder statesmen..... in ombudsmen who might be held to account.  

But the same is true of religion..... probably more so.  The sides have become polarized, beyond the ability to think clearly.  

Humanity is trying to cross a desert of confusion, and night draws nigh....... it seems time for each separate caravan to circle its wagons.  We do so, with alacrity.  


It will take something attention grabbing, in order to grab our attentions away from our business as usual..... to hit the pause button.  

Whatever this grabber is, it will have to also manage to stay out of the mainstream long enough to allow acclimation to achieve its full potential.  
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But what about all those folks who are alleged to have been briefed....?  

Do they not include potential elder statesmen, for society at large and also within the religious, scientific and spiritual sectors?  

They would be the logical ones to step forward.  But that would then, too readily, perhaps, engage the mainstream.  

Right now, all I need would be the cooperation of Kevin and the Princess.  The Princess cooperates in holding my hand, and provoking my defense of humans, no small task.  

Kevin may also be holding back.  Kevin’s testimony to me might be sufficient to activate the word of mouth campaign, which would engage the social media with some alacrity.  

This is mainly what we’re waiting on....... Kevin.  


1:20........

I don’t know exactly where Kevin stands with regard to the BPWH.  He has given it some lip service, in the past, but he has been rather incommunicative since he was last living at John’s place, about a year ago.  He does tend to be suspicious of others’ motives.  

The basic problem, psychologically, with the BPWH is that is entails a paradigm shift of biblical proportions.  Unless one is willing to grapple with that distinct possibility, one might as well just keep quiet.  There are no baby steps, when it come to a gestalt switch, especially not with one of these unimaginable proportions.  

With this possibility in mind, the entire ufo coverup becomes self-explanatory..... it has been covered up by us and for us...... full stop.  

Who, in their right mind, would wish to ride shotgun on such a bombshell...... who other than someone resembling a chicken little, with a Princess and Footmann in tow?  



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Post by 99 on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:53 am

dan wrote:I don’t recognize evil actions, even though evil acts often spring from evil thoughts.



This latest installment to your blog Dan is fascinating to say the least. Granted that there are plenty of judges out there who are too judgemental, arbitrary and unsympathetic imagine what it would be like if most didn't acknowledge that something like evil even existed instead? On the other hand, because evil is so ubiquitous and almost the norm these days, is it any wonder that we have a prez who undoubtably would agree with everything you are saying about that. Sometimes I wonder if, in actualily, we all died and now we're living in purgatory (or for that matter hell) but don't even know it yet.
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Post by GrandCru on Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:37 am

I hate to be cliche, but there's a great Rick & Morty episode where Rick ruins the DNA of humanity beyond repair in the pursuit of creating a solution that makes you irresistible.

After realizing he can't undo what has been done, he uses his tech to find an alternate reality that's closest to his own in which the inhabiting Rick and Morty die in a freak accident that no one witnessed. Rick & Morty enter the alternate reality the moment the inhabiting versions of them die in the freak accident, then bury their doppelgangers and assume their places.

99-what if Humanity has been destroyed..let's say seven times in the past 10 years...and each time, somehow(perhaps by the will of God), our collective consciousness moves to a reality that is similar, but slightly different. Maybe each time we're jumping closer to an existence where we enter the Kingdom of God?

I keep saying how upset I am with this bullshit, that someone moved us to the reality where Donald Trump won the election.
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Post by 99 on Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:46 am

In the BPW, in order to see the light, there must be darkness. And the darker it gets, the more brightly that light shines. Many have said this much more eloquently but if each time the template changes, we get closer to G-D, then maybe the new template is less ambiguous in terms of the demarcation between good and evil than the one that came before it?
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Post by dan on Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:59 am

So, it seems that human exceptionalism is going to start with our capacity for evil.

Is that better than nothing?  

It’s beginning to sound like Genesis..... no wonder we got kicked out of the Garden.  

God started with management by directive.  I get to finish with management by objective.  I hope it works better.  A few are skeptical.  

Between heaven and Earth, we get stuck in the middle.  Can we get ourselves unstuck?  That’s what the gates are all about.  Speaking of which, the Sunspot gate has been reopened....... under new management, we wonder?  Is the WCM being helpful?  Well, he might be showing his age.  

On that same subject, we may need to pay a visit to the Lake.  Some fence mending might be in order.  New management can definitely be a problem.  

And, meanwhile, back on the peak, there may have been a sovereignty issue, I regret to say.  That may be a stretch, but it would be one interpretation.  I have spoken previously about some inevitable geographic rivalry.  Sooner than later, we’ll all be taking turns..... as with a space station.  There will always be startup issues. But, you do see, that times are changing...... we down want to be caught dawdling.



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Post by 99 on Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:58 pm

Could someone here please give me more clarity on what Dan is saying in his last post 'IPE'? Probably best to just post a comment here than sending me a PM on that because if I don't understand exactly what he's saying, I'm sure I'm not the only one... thanks.

Note: But I got the part about Sunspot though. Under new management now? If it is under new management now, then they better be prepared for another gestapo knock from the FBI, a 10 day evacuation of the town and post office too, black helicopters buzzing around (though next time a fleet of drones too) and so on as there is no telling that the whole thing won't go back into another wash, rinse and dry cycle again.
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Post by Earthling on Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:17 am

Dan,

Can you explain the connection between human exceptionalism and the human connection with animals? The portals are witnessed to turn us into a certain animal, most certainly earthly animals if the subject is from Earth. Is this why animals, earthly or not, have been seen coming from these portals? e.g. Skinwalker Ranch. If animals are not exceptional, then why the connection to animals and humans in the forms of animals are scattered throughout our history?

I'm not arguing that animals are evil. It would seem most certain that if they dont have premeditated evil thoughts, and they just act on impulse, then they, like humans under the same conditions, are not committing evil acts. They are surviving, acting on impulse. But we, having these evil thoughts and acting them out, are committing evil acts.

It would then seem clear that humans were merely animals until we had been given the choice (free will) to act on these thoughts. Is is too far fetched to think we have free will, and that the timelines change for the BPW? And that if free will was given to a non-human animal, that they too would be committing evil acts? Surely this could never be the case though, as we are the only exception. What would that be like if animals were exceptional?

Furthermore, does it take human sacrifice to satisfy God or just to get her attention? It would also seem that human sacrifice is a necessity for some. Why is this? Animals dont require these acts, or do they?
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Nice try Earthling, but, like smelly, you vastly overrate free will.  

If we are animals, we are social animals.  We are caught between society and the collective unconscious....... leaving us with our individual freedom of imagination.  That’s it.  

Artists have their individual muses..... angels on a mission.  That’s it.  

Every last one of us is on a mission....... hide&seek...... all ye, all ye..... in free.  


I find it rather amusing to read the Wikipedia article on anthropocentrism, and then grok on its links.  They have no clue as to what is about to descend upon us...... the Monad.  


If personalism is true, how do we explain animals.....?  

One explanation is that God is lazy.  The Creator is partial to the self-organizing capacity of the ecosystem.  God is quite content to let the ecosystem do most of his heavy lifting.  

This is the idea behind the jurassic parc concept.......  http://www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu54.htm#pokatok .

Wait, how can the ecosystem self-organize, if it is an illusion.....?

Well, we self-organize, and we’re just illusions, also.  

Mini-jurassic parks could have be planted in many locations, with accelerated adaptation, back in the day.  That how I would cheat on Darwin...... sorry, Charlie.  


Any other problems.....? We’re rapidly running out.....


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Post by smelly on Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:27 pm

Dan wrote:If we are animals, we are social animals.  We are caught between society and the collective unconscious....... leaving us with our individual freedom of imagination.  That’s it.

Dan likes to do drive bys on other threads and confuse everyone.

I am not confused one bit, but I’m happy to help an old man see clearly anytime I can.

The above is what I have said over and over Dan, he stole it from me.

But this is a timeshare, so no one can steal anything really.

Again, we don’t seem to really disagree.

Dan would prefer to use words, but I know words only go so far.

The sway of it all is the other part, which is very personally felt.

Experience is the ultimate evidence of your Awareness.

Awareness is all you have over the animal.

Do I know my dogs aren’t aware?

Does Dan?

No he doesn’t.

In this universe old man, no one can speak for what it’s like to be me, but me.

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I always thought humans feared death most, as the ultimate/base fear. I realized recently that it logically must be pain that humans fear most. In the end, death is welcome to avoid ongoing pain. It's why we make up heaven, a place not where we live forever, but where there is no more pain. If heaven was full of pain (aka hell), we'd prefer non-existence.

What do animals fear more.... pain or death?
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cw, death and sex are what drive us.

Easy enough to prove to yourself.

An finite aware mind has a real trouble with its death.

Most who say they are ready aren’t.

Who is ever ready to end their life on Earth forever as this?

Pain is a good motivator.

So it’s the pain of life that helps us welcome death.

We are such complex biological forms driven by the simplest stimuli.
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Post by Cuan Scott on Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:40 pm

Could it perhaps be as Steve Jobs spoke of at his Stanford University address 'more the dying part than death' that instills the most fear within the collective?

Would a change in our perception in this area be a game changer?

I also ponder is it ever possible to exist within the illusion and not experience some form of suffering as Siddhārtha is attributed to have said. I personally choose not to eat meat or dairy but believe that plant life that forms my diet is also aware.

I suppose the dying part indeed is the fear of pain.
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Scott,

We come into the world with a mother, maybe a father.  Often, we leave with much less.  Pain and suffering are another form of separation.  If you are a virtuoso mystic, you may transcend life, in life.  It has its benefits.  Should we all aspire to mystic-hood?  It may be our ultimate state.  God may be a mystic.  Also, though, God must love creation.  Is there any distinction?  Love is understanding.  We all wish to be understood.  I doubt that God is an exception.  

Is there a distinction between feeling and knowing?  Know thyself v feel thyself...... sapience v sentience.

Sapience often seems a burden.  Creation is a burden.  We’d look very funny without that burden.  It might not become us.  

Who are we? From whence do we come..... whither do we go?

The answer may be the simplest thing in the world. It is the getting there that is the essence of sapience. Do we cut off our nose to spite our face? Animals never leave the Garden. We do. We have to. We must lose ourselves. Self alienation may be an essence of sapience, but not its end.


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So here's the lineup on the 3 way ladder match to disclosure..so Dan, you guys are all in race to be the first to disclose. Each of you is waiting at a checkpoint waiting for a green light to proceed. How exciting!

Tom Delonge, Hal Puthoff, Luis Elizondo, TTSA

vs

Joe Firmage, Ron Pandolfi, Dan Smith, The Mormon Church

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The Vatican
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GC,

Maybe so, but we cheat.......

All is fair in love and war.  We saw the cheat sheet.  It’s hard to forget.  

Ask smelly.  

All roads lead to Rome, speaking of the Vatican.  

If we can’t move smelly to the mountain, we’ll just have to move the mountain to smelly.  

But you are right, GC, it is a small world, and, once you realize that, the game is over.

Can we fold the tent......?

Hmmm....... The show will go on. Who doesn’t love a circus? .... as long as we have some bread left...... as long as we can play nicely.



(cont......)


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