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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    First topic message reminder :

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:12 am

    Some more wind...

    When you have stripped the self, you become a Babe of the Abyss I gather.

    You reach a place where you accept all of it or reject it.

    I accepted, no choice really, now I fuckin own it.

    “Being entered into the Silence, let me abide in the Silence!”

    “The Abyss represents a barrier or "buffer" between rational and monophasic consciousness and a form of trans-rational, trans-personal consciousness which incorporates a polyphasic paradigm...

    Following the pattern of the World's descent myths the initiate must leave all preconceived and preconditioned notions of the subject-object dichotomy, of the tangibility of the external world.”

    ...

    From a conversation with Choronzon...

    “Be vigilant, therefore, for I warn thee that I am about to deceive thee. I shall say words that thou wilt take to be the cry of the Aethyr, and thou wilt write them down, thinking them to be great secrets of Magick power, and they will be only my jesting with thee.”

    “Thou canst tell me naught that I know not, for in me is all Knowledge: Knowledge is my name. Is not the head of the great Serpent arisen into Knowledge?!”

    Lies...

    “In this Aethyr is neither beginning nor end, for it is all hotch- potch, because it is of the wicked on earth and the damned in hell. And so long as it be hotch-potch, it mattereth little what may be written by the sea-green incorruptible Scribe.”

    A slain dove is very symbolic and happened over my house.

    “Now knoweth the Scribe that he was wrong in holding much converse with the demon; for Choronzon, in the confusion and chaos of his thought, is much terrified by silence. And by silence can he be brought to obey.

    For cunningly doth he talk of many things, going from subject to subject, and thus he misleadeth the wary into argument with him. And though Choronzon be easily beaten in argument, yet, by disturbing the attention of him who would command him, doth he gain the victory.

    For Choronzon feareth of all things concentration and silence: he therefore who would command him should will in silence: thus is he brought to obey.”

    Choronzon, the Lord of Dispersion is beaten by vigilance and silence.

    Creepy, huh?

    Thought as trap.

    Is Dan its agent?

    Why has the smelly goat come here?

    “It may end in real insanity, which concludes the activities of the Adept during this present life, or by his rebirth into his own body and mind with the simplicity of a little child.

    And then shall he find all his faculties unimpaired, yet cleansed in a manner ineffable.

    And he shall recall the simplicity of the Task of the Adeptus Minor, and apply himself thereto with fresh energy in a more direct manner.

    And in his great weakness it may be that for awhile the new Will and Aspiration are not puissant, yet being undisturbed by those dead weeds of doubt and reason which he hath uprooted, they grow imperceptibly and easily like a flower.”

    This story has a deep meaning and many synchronicities weaved into it.

    Any crazier than UTs in the desert?

    Are they fighting evil Daimons?

    Perhaps a bridge too far, but I don’t think there are many left really on OMF at this point, right?!

    Scared off I guess.

    Symbolically I now understand I declared myself Master of the Temple and Choronzon called bullshit.

    I’m winging this without direct O.T.O. help, but somehow my journey is connected to AC, 333, 3  6 18, you do the math.

    Let’s say something invisible is helping.

    Yah, you do go crazy I guess.

    Choronzon is a gate guard.

    Those who would test you offer knowledge, seem to be masters of knowledge, but it is the silence you have to find and can trust. We

    Anything is possible in the Abyss.

    It is a theatre of mind.

    Ok, I unzipped my fly.

    I guess the “great mighty Devil”, John Dee says, has the next move.

    If you fall for the lies you will be utterly destroyed, game over.

    You thought it would be easy?

    It is easy as pie for a child.

    The learned are barred from entry on principle.

    Bypass knowledge, makes sense.

    They won’t buy it.

    Narrow is the Way.

    Like so so so narrow, like it is impossibly narrow at the event horizon.

    Suuuurrrreeeaaallll muppets.

    You are all gonna need to become mystics.

    Mystics of Silence

    Babes of the Abyss

    I don’t think you have any choice Dan.

    Like none.

    The Tenth Ayether is one of adjectives, that’s a gem.

    Is Dan the incorruptible Scribe or the Devil?

    I don’t know anymore, would he know, something shifted again, god damn it Wink

    This is some ancient game.

    This feels so familiar.

    I have major deja vu right now.

    Abstractly this energy is the self image that cannabalizes itself, self doubt and apathy, just give up, thoughts whisper.

    What amazes me is how my life seems to be filled with magickal workings I have subconsciously orchestrated and never desired.

    No less incredible than my body and mind functioning.

    We walk around in one the greatest examples of biological tech we barely understand.

    I know this kind of real experience is too much, in the best way.
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:06 am

    Not too shabby, smelly.  

    You and I just have couple of bones to pick. Maybe just one.......

    You need to help me in the deauthorization of science.  That’s all I’m about, really.  Well, that and the Monad.

    In deauthorizing science, I have to appeal some other authority........ ultimately to the Monad itself.  

    You and I know that the Monad is love. We frequently appeal to love, but love can be rather amorphous.


    (later..........)
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:12 am

    All must face Choronzon.

    That is who you challenge.

    And that challenge is one of self authority.

    Haha.

    We give ourselves the authority, we self authorize.

    If we be here for a purpose, it will only be clear in our clarity.

    It’s all coming so fast when I let it rush in.

    It felt like this drinking the tea.

    I see I met myself there in the Abyss.

    I don’t know about guardian angels or higher selves.

    We have to be like Chauncey the Gardner.

    As a child is the only way, one who has learned silence.

    That’s what this game is and the way into, not out of all of it.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:39 am

    Only now do I truly see my Adversary.

    It was hidden.

    How can I overcome this?

    From the eye of the storm...

    I am nothing.

    Silence!

    As soon as I needed my armor and weapons they came to me.

    The words are streaming like wet paint.

    It’s now or never.

    Honestly, I look and feel like a shivering naked chicken walking into the Great Dragon of the Universe’s  den.

    You with me?!

    Shall we crash the gates?!

    We are gonna get squashed like grapes, the goat and chicken for dinner.

    Let us call out when afraid in the Dark

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    I always liked playing with matches.

    I DARE!

    You and I are bound together Dan.

    Not a bad team.

    A child and an old man with the woman shall overcome.

    My prophecy.

    My first real one.
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    Post by cwallatruth Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:46 pm

    Presidential alert test seemed to be successful
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:52 pm

    A great call out by wk.

    The old hippie says only Love can polish the mirror.

    The guy and the sky are true blue.





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    Post by cwallatruth Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:46 pm

    Alan Watts would say there is no mirror, so there is nothing to polish. It's a void. It's nothingness. But it is the most incredible nothingness.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:20 pm

    Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?

    Snow White?

    Snow White lives on Cold Mountain.

    She was seen there living in a cave with a 7 headed dragon.

    What a perfect name for a girl of Cold Mountain, no?




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    It’s there, in the centre of the Void!"
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    Post by 99 Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:43 pm

    Cold Mountain is one of my fave books. Read it years ago but think I'll read it again sometime. Not quite southern gothic, in the purest sense of the word, but somewhat reminiscent of it. This off the top of my head but I suppose if i googled it, I would find out what it's closest to in terms of its writing style. Nevertheless, it read like a dream. One of those books you never put down until you finish it. I love books like that!
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    Post by 99 Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:57 pm

    Whoops! You're talking about Han Shan. Sorry. Just trying to keep up here but need to do better.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:00 pm

    It’s written in the style of an old cold hungry man living in the mountains.

    Deep deep down we are the fundamental nature and fabric of reality Itself, which is why it all feels so familiar and why we keep bumping into ourselves.

    He wrote his poems on the mountain walls.

    Can we accept we are fundamentally apart of all of IT?

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    Post by 99 Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:15 pm

    Thanks smiley.
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    Post by 99 Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:46 pm

    You sound like you're going through a lot now Smiley. Whatever that is, I will keep you in my prayers.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:25 pm

    Thank you.

    I’m going through nothing.

    I just sit in my chair and observe Wink

    Are you paying attention?

    I should feel guilty how good my life is.

    It’s just cruising.

    You see what you did there don’t you 99?

    You are looking for a way to dismiss openness.

    The proper response is not prayer, I would be open if I needed help, but I have plenty of help, the proper response is to be open and transparent.

    We have all we need here always, so what help could be needed?

    There is nothing to pray to anyway.

    Haven’t you been listening, you are the boss, authorize yourself.

    This is playtime, have fun.

    Are you doing ok?

    I feel you are projecting here on the smelly goat.

    Beware of doing that.

    I would pray for you if it mattered, but being clear here is the best help I can offer anyone.
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    Post by 99 Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:54 pm

    smiley wrote:Thank you.

    I’m going through nothing.

    You crack me up. I knew you would say that! lol
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:24 pm

    I meant I am going through a membrane of nothing, but I think you get me.
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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:44 am

    dan wrote:
    It sounded to me that my discloser services were being terminated.......

    Serious question Dan, and with all due respect and love, what exactly have you disclosed over the years? Could you or anyone summarize what has been disclosed from you?

    Will Kevin be a similar type of discloser or will he have a different style?

    Thanks
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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:59 am

    smelly wrote:I meant I am going through a membrane of nothing, but I think you get me.

    "Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote me once and said ‘How are you these days? As for me, I have abandoned satori (enlightenment) altogether and I’m trying to become as deeply attached as I can to as many people and things as possible."
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:43 am

    In theory, Disclosure is pretty much in the bag.  There are no formal agreements, besides what transpires on the ground.  

    Apparently there are just two sides still in the running........ Hal’s side and Ron’s side, and it’s not a level playing field, is it?

    On Ron’s side, we’re back to the one point disclosure system, and chicken little is still the point person, ufn.  

    At this point, there’s just one talking head and no gizmos...... no tic tacs, no alien bodies, etc.  Very boring, sorry.  

    It’s a hard sell, but there really isn’t any competition, is there?  It’s supply and demand.  Supply is limited.  

    smelly should be happy..... he has zero competition...... I’m another muppet nothing..... very little sound, very little fury..... signifying nothing.  Isn’t that right, smelly?  

    Ron won’t even attempt to prove that he’s working for the govt.  If he did, it would be a violation of the constitution.  

    The game has been fixed, but all is fair....... Isn’t it?  Any complaints?

    Hal is in charge of the complaints department. He gets to field the rumors and hot tips. It’s all arranged, maybe.

    We can’t really fight the Monad....... well, we can run, but we can’t hide. It’s all written in the stars.

    The proof is only in the pudding.


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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:57 am

    dan wrote:In theory, Disclosure is pretty much in the bag.  There are no formal agreements, besides what transpires on the ground.  

    Apparently there are just two sides still in the running........ Hal’s side and Ron’s side, and it’s not a level playing field, is it?

    On Ron’s side, we’re back to the one point disclosure system, and chicken little is still the point person, ufn.  

    At this point, there’s just one talking head and no gizmos...... no tic tacs, no alien bodies, etc.  Very boring, sorry.  


    .

    I've heard there are more than 2 sides, at least 4, maybe 6 different teams/efforts. Why does your effort need to be the "boring" one?

    At what point does there become more than one talking head?

    Is it possible that it wasn't poison that killed Schrodinger's cat, but curiosity?
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:03 am

    cw,

    Well, I’m glad that someone is keeping score.  Please keep us apprised.

    More than one talking head.......?  As soon as anyone starts doing the homework.  

    Curiosity......?  Well, I believe that we are attempting to open the doors of perception....... and awaiting smelly’s approval, thereto.  

    smelly is my only competition, in the disclosure department.

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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:24 am

    Ha! As if I even have a chance to keep score. What are your thoughts on the Senate resolution to release of 9/11 information sponsored by Blumenthal?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:32 am

    cwallatruth wrote:
    smelly wrote:I meant I am going through a membrane of nothing, but I think you get me.

    "Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote me once and said ‘How are you these days? As for me, I have abandoned satori (enlightenment) altogether and I’m trying to become as deeply attached as I can to as many people and things as possible."

    I reached the same conclusion, still, nothing makes you slippery, but Satori is in the connections, not disconnecting.

    As Dan says, we are social creatures.

    I have a very active imagination, nothing is full potential, we bungee jump down into it and we catch fish we bring back.

    My recent fish have been related to the myths of Choronzon.

    I was sitting in my chair breathing and all of a sudden, I heard a name in my head, Abramelin and the number 13.3.

    Nothing led to some strange stories about Babes of the Abyss.

    One understands nothing is not nothing, nothing is everything.

    The Doors of Perception were blown clean of the goddamn hinges.

    Behind the door I found a little goat staring back at me, a white goat, I believe you all have met him.

    He eats a little, poops wherever he likes, loves to ram things.

    Surrealism is one rainbow bridge to nothing.

    The word is always now Dan, do as you like, of course.

    Just be mindful of your steps in eternity.

    I walk the mountain passes
    Like the mist on Tamalpais
    Now and then the Sun stops by
    For tea in a clear meadow
    The Rabbits all come and play
    A Raven stops by for a chat
    Mostly its cold and cloudy
    The wind is my constant companion
    I stay up here because I can dive deeper
    From a greater height
    I do like to come down into the village
    Share a story or two and a meal
    But the Blue Mountain is my home now
    I always enjoy ascending again
    Up the misty mountain
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    Post by hobbit Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:14 am

    smelly wrote:
    cwallatruth wrote:
    smelly wrote:I meant I am going through a membrane of nothing, but I think you get me.

    "Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote me once and said ‘How are you these days? As for me, I have abandoned satori (enlightenment) altogether and I’m trying to become as deeply attached as I can to as many people and things as possible."

    I reached the same conclusion, still, nothing makes you slippery, but Satori is in the connections, not disconnecting.

    .........

    (hobbit, please exercise restraint in the length of your quotes)

    Ravens guard Stonehenge.

    http://www.silentearth.org/the-jackdaws-rooks-and-crows-of-stonehenge/

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/Tower-Ravens/

    They are at the tower of London

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:41 pm

    Perhaps they are inviting One deeper or a warning, I feel a caution.

    "It is thought that Choronzon dwells somewhere near The Horizon, in an area known as the Abyss (Which could be another name for the Deep Umbra). According to some rumors, he must be defeated by anyone venturing out into the Deep Umbra searching for a place among the Oracles."

    Goats will wander...

    I knew this before I read it. Weird. How can I know these things?

    I didn't consciously seek a place among the Oracles, I may have joked about it, nonetheless, this entity is now clearly visible to me, it acts like Trump.

    I have been prepared by the Dude to face the Dark, damn, that is really amazing.

    Just some relevant or irrelevant ramblings...you decide

    To walk your own way is a mistake.

    You turn your back on Yaweh, a hedge of sorts, but then people get lost in the dark, their egos become very inflated by Choronzon/Legion, decay and entropy, this is where virtue comes in.

    We stand because we can, it is our nature to be this.

    These are symbols and concepts, but rarely mixed within muppets in this Age.

    cw, "That is why a person who might be enlightened (a bodhisattva) does not always present a kind of detached and indifferent attitude but is perfectly free to allow emotions and attachments." --Alan Watts

    I preach engagement, on every level. Turn into it, into it, don't run, nowhere to hide, face it here, now.

    I'll stand with you, we can do it together, more is better than one, you are not alone...never were...never will be.

    All the entropy seeds planted in your life, can be removed, this is what practice is for, to find your calm true nature so you can face the dark knowingly, not with all knowledge, but Aware.

    I can't tell you about Ascension or enlightenment, who could I wonder Wink

    Those are silly notions, just be cool and calm and have fun.

    Choronzon is dispersed by laughter, how cute.

    Maybe if he spelled his name right, Corazon, he would turn into a Being of Light.

    Ahhhh, now that would be something, to see the dark transform before your eyes Wink

    It prefers chaotic thought though until you can face it head on, because you must invoke the Devil yourself. These forces seeth around life sucking us dry because they have none.

    A detente can be found, or insanity and dispersion is inevitable. Your center will hold if you let your will and aspirations grow, they will take you like jack and the beanstalk, into the sky.

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    The soul is, in its own nature, perfect purity, perfect calm, perfect silence; and as a well springs from the very veins of the earth itself, so is the soul nurtured of the blood of God, the ecstasy of things.

    This soul can never be injured, never marred, never defiled. Yet all things added to it do for a time trouble it; and this is sorrow.

    To this, language itself bears witness; for all words which mean unhappy mean first of all disturbed, disquieted, troubled. The root idea of sorrow is this idea of stirring up.

    For many a year man in his quest for happiness has travelled a false road. To quench his thirst he has added salt in ever increasing quantities to the water of life; to cover the ant heaps of his imagination he has raised mountains wherein wild beasts and deadly prowl. To cure the itch, he has flayed the patient;

    ...to exorcise the ghost, he has evoked the devil.

    It is the main problem of philosophy, how this began. The Rishis, seven that sat on Mount Kailasha and considered thus, answered that the soul became self-conscious; and crying, “I am That!” became two even in the act of asserting it was One. This theory may be found not too remote from truth by whoso returns to that tower upon the ramparts of the soul and beholds the city.

    The cure of disease is ease; of disquiet, quiet; of strife, peace. And to attain horsemanship the study of folios aids not, but the mounting of a horse; as the best way to swim is to enter the water and strike out, so it is cool sense, not feverish reason, that says: to attain quiet, practice quiet.

    THE DUDE ABIDES, BE THE DUDE, OVERCOME DARKNESS

    There are men so strong of will, so able to concentrate the mind, to neglect the impressions that they do not wish to receive, that they can withdraw themselves from their surroundings, even when those are as multitudinous and insistent as those of a great city. But for the most part of men, it is best to begin in easier circumstances, to climb the mountain in fine weather before attacking it in the snowstorm.

    Be Vigilant or the malady may return...

    And yet the eager aspirant will answer: Provided that the cure is complete. Provided that the sickness does not return when the medicine is stopped.

    Ah! that were hard: so deepseated is the malady that years after its symptoms have passed, it seizes on a moment of weakness to blaze out again. It is malarial fever that lurks low, that hides in the very substance of the blood itself, that has made the very fountain of life partaker with it in the sacrament of death.

    “Has a spider found out the communion cup?”

    “Was a toad in the christening font?”

    No: the remedy cures surely enough; but not often does it cure once for all, beyond relapse. But it is simple; once the symptoms have properly abated, they never return with equal force; and if the patient has but the wit to stretch out the hand for another dose, the fever dies.

    ...

    Today, I saw a sword and it had a narrow edge, sharpened between chaos and virtue and I said to myself so narrow is the way. I was speaking to Aaron and I shared the view. That's what is very incredible about the next passage. For I said the same thing verbatim as the words spontaneously came.

    What magick is this?!

    Amazing to me...

    ...

    If Thought then be that which troubles the soul, there is but one way to take. Stop thinking.

    It is the most difficult task that man can undertake. “Give me a fulcrum for my lever,” said Archimedes, “and I will move the earth.” But how, when one is within, and part of, that very system of motion which one had desired to stop? Newton’s first law drops like the headsman’s axe on the very name of our endeavour. Well for us that this is not true as it is obvious! For this fact saves us, that the resolution of all these is rest. The motion is but in reciprocal pairs; the sum of its vectors is zero. The knot of the Universe is a fool’s knot; for all it seems Gordian, pull but firmly, and it ravels out. It is this seeming that is all the mischief; gloomy is the gulf, and the clouds gather angrily in monstrous shapes; the false moon flickers behind them; abyss upon abyss opens on every hand. Darkness and menace; the fierce sound of hostile things!

    One glimmer of starlight, and behold the golden bridge! Narrow and straight, keen as the razor’s edge and glittering as the sword’s blade, a proper bridge if thou leanest not to right or left. Cross it — good! but all this is in the dream. Wake!

    Thou shalt know that all together, gulf, moon, bridge, dragon and the rest, were but the phantasms of sleep howbeit, remember this, that to cross the bridge in sleep is the only way to waking.

    I do not know if many men have the same experience as myself in the matter of voluntary dreaming, or rather of contest between the sought and the unsought in dream. For instance, I am on a ridge of ice with Oscar Eckenstein. He slips to one side. I throw myself on the other. We begin to cut steps up to the ridge; my axe snaps, or is snatched from my hand. We begin to pull ourselves up to the ridge by the rope; the rope begins to fray. Luckily it is caught lower down on a cleft of rock. A Lammergeier swoops; I invent a pistol and blow its brains out. And so on through a thousand adventures, making myself master of each event as it arises. But I am grown old today and weary of thrills. Nowadays at the first hint of danger I take wing and sail majestically down to the glacier.

    If I have thus digressed, it is to superimpose this triangle on that of the task, “Stop Thinking.” Simple it sounds, and simple it is — when you have mastery. In the meantime it is apt to lead you far indeed from simplicity. I have myself written some million words in order to stop thinking! I have covered miles of canvas with pounds of paint in order to stop thinking. Thus may it be that I am at least to be considered as no mean authority on all the wrong ways; and so perhaps, by a process of exclusion, on the right way!

    Unfortunately, it is not as easy is this: . . . .

    There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays.

    And every single one of them is right.

    And right for A is often wrong for B.

    But, luckily, the simpler the goal is kept, the simpler are the means. Elsewhere in my writings will be found a fairly painstaking and accurate account of the process. The present essay is but to advocate a mighty engine adjuvant — the shoulder of Hercules to the cart-wheel of the beginner whose diffidence whispers that he is incapable of following those instructions in the difficult circumstances of ordinary life, or for the enthusiast who wisely determines like Kirkpatrick to “mak siccar.” Indeed, the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of the riches, the lusts of the flesh and the eye, the pride of life, and all the other enemies of the saint, do indeed choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

    --Aleister Crowley

    ...

    Dismiss any criticism of anything until you have mounted the horse yourself and only then can you judge a golden source or not.

    AC was a Golden Man who made a lot of mistakes, may we learn from them in our own journeys and not be so quick to judge one another, but instead, receive all as a message just for you.

    Peace and calm to you all as the Way to fight the good fight.

    My current favorite words in time...

    "One glimmer of starlight, and behold the golden bridge!

    Narrow and straight, keen as the razor’s edge and glittering as the sword’s blade, a proper bridge if thou leanest not to right or left. Cross it — good! but all this is in the dream. Wake!"

    Wake!
    Wake!
    Wake!

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