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Post by dan Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:51 am

First topic message reminder :

This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
should be substituted here......

Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 2:30 am

This may appear as a strange link to post here?
But
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/books/graham-robbs-theory-on-celtic-migrations.html
I contend that there is a non material matrix that underpins this physical reality.

Call it...middle Earth?

The straight solstice alignments are just part of a far more complex matrix that consciousness flows along, in phase conjugate fashion.

It results in vortex memory fields.

YOU are one such.

All living entities here upon the tiny slither of the surface of the Earths memory field are consequences of that overall memory field.

Our stars field is what the Earths and other planets are consequences of.

Our celtic forefathers had a far better handle upon all of this....time to REMEMBER , to remember what has been veiled by control freak types.

It is very simple, not left brained complex, not to be shared only by a so called elite, not to be secret by compartmentalism freaks.





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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 7:41 am

hobbit,

Yes, it’s time to remember.....

Everyone will be remembering the kingdom within.  

But we have smelly looking over our shoulders....... ready to pounce, if we make a wrong move.  

Right off the bat, smelly’s going to object to the notion of a kingdom.  

smelly is our guru of the inside...... he looks within, and sees a void..... more technically, he sees anatman/anatta, which is no Self.

smelly sometimes claims to have achieved nirvana...... the cessation of all striving...... the highest state of bliss.  The rest of us are just striving muppets.  

Now, hobbit, back in my physics days, we would have called this the 0th approximation to reality.  

The smelly/0th approximation is going to be our baseline.... our fall back position..... our safety net, if you will.  

You and me...... us, striving muppets..... all we’re doing is disturbing smelly’s bliss.  

To get smelly’s permission to disturb the peace, we have to...... I’m not quite sure what we have to do.

I was going to say that we need a good reason, but smelly does not abide reasoning.  

So let’s just say that we need a good story.  

Here’s one attempt at a story......

You and I are also striving for bliss.  But smelly would be the first to tell us that all striving is futile, especially striving for bliss.  Nay, it’s worse than futile...... it’s oxymoronic.  

Ok.... fair enough.  

But, here’s our ultimate excuse.....

hobbit and I are searching for the cosmic Lullaby.  

This Lullaby will lull humanity back to sleep.

How is that for an excuse, smelly?  

Not too shabby, huh?  


11:45.......

But, wait, sports fans.......

What is humanity striving for?  

We’re all striving for bliss...... we all want a piece of smelly’s bliss.  

But we do notice that smelly is not in a sharing mood.  

Bliss is the only thing that cannot be shared..... says smelly.  

I’m calling cow flop on smelly’s dictum.  

And what authority do I have over smelly?  

I claim to have cosmic authority.  

Yes, sports fans, smelly can only blow goat farts...... I’m gonna drop a CCF (cosmic cow flop) right back on smelly!  

Yes, smelly, the sky is falling...... and you, you lucky boy, have been chosen to be ground 0 for this cosmic event.  Better put on your hard hat...... you’re about to get WOKE, real good.  



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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 am

Everything in creation is been attracted to rest within the dominant field it exists within.

Every living entity on this planet will loose it's unique consciousness field and will be subjected to the planets field permeating it to become more of the planet.

Where does the consciousness go?

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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 9:11 am

hobbit,

You have a question..... I have an answer.......

Consciousness goes back to the Yggdrasil.

See, I’m not quite as dumb as I look..... and I can also google.

The roots of Yggdrsil produced a magic fluid called aurr, never precisley defined, but most probably the same life giving female lunar blood that lies secretly at the root of all universal-elixer myths.The tree was also the universal mother "source of un born souls" like the tree of life found in nearly all Asiatic myths.One story said that the first man, Askr was created from the ash tree:hence his name.The latin name of this tree is Fraxinus "firelight" though this may have meant the light of knowledge , ash was a traditonal wood for the ule log."


This is why I’m gonna be God...... I’m the first poMo to figure out how to use google.  

See, it only took one of Princess’ portals to pop the bubble we call scientific materialism.  

What, in heaven’s name are we gonna do about them apples?



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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 9:36 am

I detect NINE parallel lines, the middle been the fifth.

Imagine a location where 55 such sets of 9 cross each other with their middle lines all been central.
the angles of those sets of lines ( to Fibonacci) create a dominant cross arrangement with a dominant circulation at specific diameters about the central point.

lets call it a SWASTIKA.

We then have a duality of spin flows ( shall We call them protons and neutrons?)
Crashing into a central location .


Am I going where angels fear to tread?

Those Nazi scientists loved spin.

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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 9:41 am

If You use google …..look up NINE gods of the underworld, or better still many references to nine.

The trees know better than humans.

Nine flows of consciousness.

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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 9:46 am

I couldn't help but spin into a vortex containing this man.....

https://www.gaia.com/article/viktor-schauberger-the-anti-gravity-water-wizard


It's amazing when You look at trees.


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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 9:46 am

Come on, hobbit......

KISS.......

You’re just dealing with Yin and Yang.  

This is not rocket science.  

Nazis......?  Screw them..... may a CCF land on their empty heads.

What you’re not understanding..... what Shauberger is not understanding, is that, if we really want to understand how the world works, we have to turn it upside down and inside out.

This understanding is why I’m God, and you and smelly are not.



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Post by FatThorDude Wed May 08, 2019 10:18 am

dan wrote:hobbit,

Yes, it’s time to remember.....

Everyone will be remembering the kingdom within.  

But we have smelly looking over our shoulders....... ready to pounce, if we make a wrong move.  

Right off the bat, smelly’s going to object to the notion of a kingdom.  

smelly is our guru of the inside...... he looks within, and sees a void..... more technically, he sees anatman/anatta, which is no Self.

smelly sometimes claims to have achieved nirvana...... the cessation of all striving...... the highest state of bliss.  The rest of us are just striving muppets.  

Now, hobbit, back in my physics days, we would have called this the 0th approximation to reality.  

The smelly/0th approximation is going to be our baseline.... our fall back position..... our safety net, if you will.  

You and me...... us, striving muppets..... all we’re doing is disturbing smelly’s bliss.  

To get smelly’s permission to disturb the peace, we have to...... I’m not quite sure what we have to do.

I was going to say that we need a good reason, but smelly does not abide reasoning.  

So let’s just say that we need a good story.  

Here’s one attempt at a story......

You and I are also striving for bliss.  But smelly would be the first to tell us that all striving is futile, especially striving for bliss.  Nay, it’s worse than futile...... it’s oxymoronic.  

Ok.... fair enough.  

But, here’s our ultimate excuse.....

hobbit and I are searching for the cosmic Lullaby.  

This Lullaby will lull humanity back to sleep.

How is that for an excuse, smelly?  

Not too shabby, huh?  


11:45.......

But, wait, sports fans.......

What is humanity striving for?  

We’re all striving for bliss...... we all want a piece of smelly’s bliss.  

But we do notice that smelly is not in a sharing mood.  

Bliss is the only thing that cannot be shared..... says smelly.  

I’m calling cow flop on smelly’s dictum.  

And what authority do I have over smelly?  

I claim to have cosmic authority.  

Yes, sports fans, smelly can only blow goat farts...... I’m gonna drop a CCF (cosmic cow flop) right back on smelly!  

Yes, smelly, the sky is falling...... and you, you lucky boy, have been chosen to be ground 0 for this cosmic event.  Better put on your hard hat...... you’re about to get WOKE, real good.  



(cont........)

You should be happy if a muppet realizes everything is going to be ok Dan.

I know I can’t bottle or transmit awareness.

We are Awareness.

We just have to let our chains drop.

Even death.

As far as ground zero, bring it.

I face it all straight on.

This is what is happening.

I do have a way with words.

What of it?

I don’t throw my pearls before swine anymore.

Be happy for any who are clearing their vision of delusions.

Work on your own view maybe.
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Post by FatThorDude Wed May 08, 2019 10:45 am

Your understanding Dan, is your delusion.

Now your work is to unravel yourself.

If not, you will slip further and further into your delusions.

Don’t ignore what is happening.

Or do, who cares Wink
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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 11:28 am

The vortex consciousness field will flip upside down to present, it already goes inside and outside via 720 degrees of spin.
The northern hemisphere spin is counter clockwise , hence We cop for the remnants of Your weather, and Your copping the Fukishima crap.

The northern spin is dominant as it is outside, the southern clockwise is within.

The trees ( Yggdrasil) know how to reverse this at the equinox, hence the water FALLS to the uppermost leaves.

The planet is a consequence of this 720 degree of spin ( ouroboros)


And will flip often relative to larger such fields variations.

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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 12:17 pm

Something just occurred that has made me very happy.
A squirrel has just dug a hole in our lawn.

Most people would be angry at the squirrel digging up one of it's buried nuts, but not Me, as when I checked the location it was absolutely bang on the crossing point of two crossing leylines.

Clever little dowser squirrel.

I have done this Myself by burying objects in fields bang on certain leyline crossing points and leaving them for months , then going back to dig them up via My dowsing.

It's a FIXED matrix, never moves, the Egyptians knew this and is why they revered the dung beetle as a GOD , it pushed a ball of dung along a leyline until it reached a crossing other, and there it dug a hole and buried the ball of dung after laying and egg in it, and up popped a new dung beetle.

From a hole in the ground there emerged an hobbit


I have heard of archaeologists been puzzled at finding lines of ancient nuts, and thinking how little they know of nature.
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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 12:19 pm

hobbit,

Do try to be less literal in regard to scientific cosmology.  

If you want to understand the BPWH, you need to be able to embrace the hollow Earth model.

You may not be ready for that, yet, hobbit.

I wonder if you have ever even given it any consideration.  

This is what the chicken little gambit is all about.  

I wonder if you have paid attention to anything I’ve said.  

You’ve never even bothered to ask a question before today.  

If I were you, I would be ashamed of being totally incurious.  

Shame on you, hobbit.  

Are you ready to get serious, or did you just come here to shoot your mouth off?  


smelly,

Yes, smelly, you tell us....... what the f*ck is happening?

I thought you were supposed to be staring at your navel.  

Yes, smelly....... what the f*ck is happening?




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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 1:58 pm

Dan,

All of creation is field based, thus all the planets and stars are but thin shells formed on the field edges.

Thus this planet is hollow, as are all of them, with an opposite so called gravity and a central anode to the star.

it will be far safer inside than out here on the surface.

You need to keep Your cool.

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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 2:03 pm

You need to wake up, hobbit....... you still have no clue what I’ve been talking about for the last 13 years on OMF I&II.  

Where have you been, buddy?  

I’ll tell you where you have been, hobbit....... you have been totally asleep at the switch.  

You truly need to wake up and smell the petunias.



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Post by hobbit Wed May 08, 2019 2:05 pm

dan wrote:You need to wake up, hobbit....... you still have no clue what I’ve been talking about for the last 13 years on OMF I&II.  

Where have you been, buddy?  

I’ll tell you where you have been, hobbit....... you have been totally asleep at the switch.  

You truly need to wake up and smell the petunias.  



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Tripping through the tulips.........
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Post by FatThorDude Wed May 08, 2019 5:28 pm

All of it is happening and we are part of it all.

Whether one notices probably doesn’t matter in the least.

What you and say think and do, essential to it all intrinsically.

A monk asked Joshu about Bodhidharma, who came from the east, and wondered what it meant.

Joshu said it was the same as the tree out in the yard.

The meaning is the being, the being the meaning.

But consider the tree, how it is connected to all as a tree.

The wind sun and water coming to it.

The world sustains it.

It sustains us.

I’m in awe of that basic reality.

Our thoughts and feelings just come to us.

Like water and food to the tree.

Plants are a great lesson.

All is fine for them and then they respond by giving us our breath.

The sun grows all our food, creates our air.

What more meaning needed?



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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 6:53 pm

Thanks, smelly,

Much obliged...... I think we’re both gonna make it.
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Post by FatThorDude Wed May 08, 2019 7:36 pm

I’m already home bro.

I’m takin er easy for the rest of us.

Just enjoying the view.

Not a disagreement with a soul on earth.

Perhaps we need the best number of muppets so one can come here and enjoy it.

And then we die.

Such a lightness to being when one has no hope beyond it.

But for some death is still a horror.
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Post by dan Wed May 08, 2019 8:37 pm

No hope......?

Please, smelly, don’t begrudge me a smidgen of hope..... just for old times sake......
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Post by FatThorDude Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 pm

It’s just part of living here.

But all can hide as many of their own delusions as they like from their neighbors.

Hiding thoughts got us in the mess.

That’s why I let mine fly free.

Hope for what?

This life was my hope and I have it.

I would respect you a lot more if you were honest about our situation.

You are playing with illusions.

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Post by dan Thu May 09, 2019 6:39 am

Thank you for reminding us of Krishnamurti.  

Jiddu was raised to be God.  He was my predecessor.  

He bailed out, for good reason.  He was trapped by his handlers.  

Then he managed to go from one trap to another.  

He ended up very much as you have, smelly..... forswearing all ideology, to just be present..... here and now.  

This point of view has much to recommend it.  

We go with the flow.  At the least, it is a survival strategy.  

I would recommend it for most folks.  Even God is not going to change the Metanarrative.  

There is nothing for God to do. God has already worked himself out of a job. This is like the seventh day, and I’m just resting. smelly is right.... there is nothing to do here. We are just fellow spectators.



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Post by FatThorDude Thu May 09, 2019 8:42 am

I like what he says a lot more than what you say.

He’s fucking honest.

Not many are.

The least I can do is live as an honest asshole.
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Post by whoknows Thu May 09, 2019 10:16 am

I've known of Krishnamurti for decades, never put much stock in gurus.

As I read the wiki entry one quote really stood out.

"Understanding of the self only arises in relationship, in watching yourself in relationship to people, ideas, and things; to trees, the earth, and the world around you and within you. Relationship is the mirror in which the self is revealed. Without self-knowledge there is no basis for right thought and action." Nehru asked, "How does one start?" to which Krishnamurti replied, "Begin where you are. Read every word, every phrase, every paragraph of the mind, as it operates through thought."

Nature abhors a vacuum.

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