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Post by dan Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:51 am

This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

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Post by dan Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:52 am

So where were we.......?

Ah, yes, noble lies........

Perhaps the Princess is a noble lie.  I certainly have no proof to the contrary.  

Do I take the Princess on faith?  Am I trying to push her down your throats?  

Well, I will say this much....... my experience has been that the story of the Princess is a rather good story for starting conversations.

It may not be the greatest story ever told, but it could be a rather significant chapter in that book........ of noble lies....... perhaps.  

But, in writing or rewriting this book, I do have a not so secret tool.  I’m referring to the coherence theory of truth (CohTT).  

That is where I’m going to have to hang my shingle.  

The CohTT suggests that truth might be a package deal....... that it cannot be dissected, as science attempts to do every day, with its mounting conglomeration of factoids.  

Yes, science, too, has its metanarratives.  But its metanarratives leave something out....... namely you and me.  

The purpose of the BPW Metanarrative, is just to make room for you and me.  

And where better to hang the Metanarrative than around the neck of the Princess?  Her absence does embolden me to take this crucial step.  

Yes, the Princess may well be a lie...... but for now, she is my living and breathing lie.  That’s more than we can say for some of the other folks in the story.  

The Princess understands entanglement.  If there be even a modicum of truth, here, we all are liable to become entangled in her web.  

The challenge before us is for someone to come up with a better story.  No, I don’t claim this to be the best possible story.  But I believe it to be suggestive of a much needed continuation in the best story ever told.  

One thing I don’t want to do is leave the Princess twisting in the wind.  So I volunteer to grab ahold of that same rope.  I have made no secret of the fact that I’m looking for volunteers.  Right now, I’ll have to admit that there is only one other possiblility.  That would make three of us.  

It is said of chains that a chain is no stronger than its weakest link.  The Princess and I could both be candidates for being the weakest link.  That is not very reassuring.  

But wait...... I propose that what we have here is a magical chain.  

An entangled chain......?

Does that mean the any individual link is expendable?  

What I think I’m saying is that this has got be the best possible magically entangled chain. Best possible.......?

Surely, one could do better than with a chicken and a Princess.

Maybe, yes. Maybe, no. It’s an experiment...... just not very scientific.



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Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:23 pm

We have to stick to our protocols and we have to stick together.
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Post by dan Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:31 pm

Aaron,

Yes.  

Truth is about trust.  We have to trust ourselves, and we have to trust each other.  

Trust and verify?  

Perhaps, but, more to the point, the ultimate proof can only be in the pudding.  

We know the tree by the fruit it bears.  

Now, I’ll have to admit that I’m engaged in a fairly serious grafting operation.  We might refer to this as the Princess chapter in the continuing saga of the greatest story ever told.  

Perhaps grafting is a poor analogy.  It’s a very poor analogy if our canvas purports to include the entirety of the BPW.  

What we are engaged in is more like a journey of discovery and rediscovery.  

The claim is that the world is one living organism.  The Princess is one twig of one branch.  We pull on the twig to get some idea of the branch it might be connected to.  

She does appear to have a connection with me, however coincidental it may be...... however rapidly she may be trying to distance herself from me.  I can hardly afford to let her disappear.  By a slim thread indeed, hangs this tale.  

The Princess has her web, but I also have mine.  

Her web is very personal, mine is constructed out of a seine of logic.  A logic which I attempt to model upon that mythical Logos.  I cast it out upon the water, and see which fish I can drag in.  

I have no choice but to go after the big fish.  

What happened to that one living organism..... the package deal?  

That package is in the sky...... yes, along with those elusive flying saucers.  

Hanging off of the alleged mothership are just streamers...... dreams of dreamers and mystics.  All those dreams that science has rejected.  

The Princess chapter of the GSET is a microcosm of the Metanarrative.  The Princess thread is the thread I pull on to unravel the tapestry, to untangle the world knot, the Gordian knot known to Alexander.  

There are many patches on the meta tapestry, which has become thread bare.  We can almost start again from scratch.   If we do so, we will need a magic loom to go along with our magic thread.  

The BPWH is that loom.  

Here we go........

We have the Princess, caught between the great spiritual traditions..... the East and the West..... the mystical and the prophetic.  

When smelly is not yelling at me, I can hear him much better......

He has afforded me a whole new handle on the East.....

I had thought of the east as embracing the impersonal, and the west as embracing the personal.  No.  The mystics embrace the personal and the prophetic ones embrace the interpersonal.  

Now, these two traditions come back to complement one another..... to fill each other out.  

This is how teleology works...... the synchrony tends to lie in the future.  Yes, the tapestry is magically weaving itself.  We are mostly just the onlookers, occasionally the cheerleaders.  

This is the magic of the best possible world.....

To us it appears magical, but from any transcendental perspective, time is an illusion.  The tapestry is woven in Eternity.  I have spoken of the two dimensions of time, historical and logical.   The logical dimension is of deep space and deep time.  In the historical, interpersonal dimension, the synchrony plays out.  

The hidden hand of economic fame, is a very crude manifestation of how the weaving might actually work out, beyond the realm of causality..... into the realm of teleology and vital forces.  


5:45..........

With the east and the west, we can almost discern the warp and woof of the tapestry, particularly in these end times, as the two traditions merge. It is that merger which captures much of my attention.

Science, unfortunately provides very little explicit guidance. What science does provide is a plethora of metaphors embedded in nature, which the premoderns could only guess at.



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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:48 pm

yah, never bought the princess stuff.
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Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:58 pm

There is nothing to buy that hasn't already been bought....or is there?

"For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." - 1 Corinthians 6:20
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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:11 pm

I don't need anything personally.

I am always for authentic open discussion and direct dealing.
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Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:14 pm

Are you sure you don't need everything interpersonally?

I have my family and that's really all I need, they are my everything....my wolf pack.

I have them for eternity.



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Post by hobbit Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:43 pm

"The world is one living organism"

It is, but.....

It is within many other larger living organisms, as We are within the planets.

Fields within fields within fields.

All of consciousness endlessly chasing itself.

Each individual field is per Leadbeaters ANU, I am humbled to be able to detect such, I am not a machine, I am an ANU field of consciousness that thus interact with all other fields, You just need to attune to whichever You so desire to tune to.



All machines are dead, at rest within this planets field, they can tell about other dead such, but they cannot interact with a living field, if You rely on them then You will join them.

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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:15 pm

I am connected to my pack.

I would be sad if I or they left.

My body takes care of its needs.

I know my best life is with my pack.

I am all people, they are me.

I met a man in church once who had just lost his son and wife.

He sobbed into his hands.

I felt him deeply.

It was seared into my mind, that's coming for you and yours too.

Smile like you mean it.
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Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:36 pm

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And the mome raths outgrabe

Yes, our best life is with our pack

We persons are social creatures
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Post by GrandCru Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:39 pm

poisoned words coming from behind a forked tongue

The disinformation agent known as hobbit, spreading lies.

HOBBIT is on the fed payroll. Pay this govt tool no attention.

Dan-

Any thoughts on Senator Blumenthal's comments during the recent space force hearing? A possible reference to a third party named "they"?
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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:45 pm

Hobbit on a fed payroll, bahahahahahaha.

That would be a good one though.

Maybe British Intelligence?

Hobbit is a Geometer it seems.

Is that candidate for conspiracy?

Hey, can I get paid to spread mischief on the Interwebs?!

Hot damn, sign me up!

Any govts or rich bastards who would like to pay for my services, kindly PM me.

Your money, buys my silence, but I do have a big mouth, so better to let me be a big mouth.

I have no allegiances or loyalties, so I'd be a great triple agent too probably.

You won't regret it!

I can really piss people off.

It is one of my greatest skills Wink

I'd like to foment a little revolution.

I hate America, like, I want it to burn down and grow flowers over it and forget the whole mess happened.

Viva La France!
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Post by GrandCru Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:53 pm

smelly wrote:

That would be a good one though.

Maybe British Intelligence?

Hobbit is a Geometer it seems.

Is that candidate for conspiracy?

Hey, can I get paid to spread mischief on the Interwebs?!


hobbits is sneaky. But not that sneaky. Others have confirmed, a disinfo agent who plays the role of geometer well!!!
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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:19 pm

Seems as harmless as a smelly goat to me.

I’d rather know a scoundrel than a good man.
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Post by FatThorDude Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:36 pm

So Dan, I won’t share what I think.

But what do you think now of Bicamerality?

Jaynes’ theory that the old voices of the gods were the right brain telling the body what to do through auditory prompts.

Bicamerality seems to explain the source of religion.

Then writing and reading created the ‘I’.

The integrated mind then makes us our own gods.

“This consciousness that is myself of selves.

It is everything and it is nothing.

Where did it come from?

And why?”
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Post by hobbit Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:07 am

GrandCru wrote:
smelly wrote:

That would be a good one though.

Maybe British Intelligence?

Hobbit is a Geometer it seems.

Is that candidate for conspiracy?

Hey, can I get paid to spread mischief on the Interwebs?!


hobbits is sneaky. But not that sneaky. Others have confirmed, a disinfo agent who plays the role of geometer well!!!


Me thinks I have ruffled a few feathers.


When do I get paid?

I am normally accused of doing the devils work, and I have never received a penny.

GrandCru, You whoever You are , are a first class dickhead.
Go to the top of the class for dickheads.

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Post by dan Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:58 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8735600/tv-producer-sues-cia-scientist-government-ufo-cover-up-anti-gravity-research-project/

And, yes, 99, you’re right, I was withholding a royal secret........ foot is a sexist, racist, homophobe, and the princess has him wrapped around her little finger.  But there’s a much bigger secret....... kcup has the both of them wrapped around her little finger..... and one night she crawled into my bed, out of body, as reported to her mom the next day..... quite the little rascal she is.  I’ve been told several times that she is my biggest defender.  I guess she has finally let down her defenses......

If you can grok all that you might begin to understand how the world actually works, and why our economy is roaring ahead while donny tweets his narcissisms.  

So, sports fans, here we are in a goldfish bowl, and it’s our job to explain this to the rest of the world.  

And, yes, it is all about portals....... and you just have to understand that you’re not going to be able to weaponize them.  

And you understand why I had to walk out on the physicists, bless their hearts.  

God is in Heaven, but God also lies prostate at our feet...... asking us, very politely, to help put him back together........ yes, sports fans, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall..... or maybe we should call it a pratfall.  


11:15.......

Portals are everywhere, and they are what you make of them.  

But, smelly’s right, they’re not about you...... they are about us.  Treat them as such, and the Kingdom is yours.  

Maybe most portals reside in the dark night of the soul...... on the dark side of the moon...... it’s what being born again is all about.  

We just have to gird our souls, and brave the night.  


And what does all this have to do with bicamerality.......?

I guess smelly is right, again...... the gods got so familiar with us, talking to us, that one day they just decided to pull up stakes and move right in.  

It was a risky move.......

I think they weren’t given a choice.  

The gods are refugees in our heads.  Sometimes those tent cities can get a bit unruly.  

There are societies of mind, and sometimes we have to be task masters, isn’t that right, smelly?  


And what is hobbit’s problem......?

He’s a bit like princess........ it’s not that he loves animals so much, it is that he hates people.  

And it’s not that he really hates people...... it’s more that he is afraid of us.  

And, let’s face it, we can be pretty scary...... inhabited as we are by unruly clans of gods, often at war with each other.  

With all this going, you might understand why there are more than a few jesus freaks out there...... hobbit and smelly sure don’t.  

When you understand that there are no Mohammed freaks, you’ll understand why one of us has to be the advocate......

Yes, there are many Buddha freaks....... but.... knock, knock, is anybody home?  Nobody but us chickens, I guess.  


noon........

smelly just apologized for not having read the blog, silly boy.

Ask yourself one simple question....... how many times have you seen the bumper sticker...... WWBD or WWMD..... sometimes we have to make choices, and they are not free choices..... more than likely they are fraught. You need someone to sit down with and have a beer with....... not with Hillary and not with Buddha.

smelly and hobbit just don’t get that, poor boys......



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Post by 99 Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:34 am

How cute! No doubt kcup really misses you Dan.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:53 am

A portal is a lense.

They are embedded in appearances.

All of space and time is a lense.

Old man told me on the toilet.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:09 am

Thanks Dan.

Clans of warring Gods.

Now that puts it in perspective.

Comics have captured this maybe.

The world as game map.

The gods riding blind donkeys and smelly goats and little chickens.

The Planet of the Apes.

They sit at the top of business and crime and govt.

I’m sure the bloodlines give them some control of genes.

It’s another way to see life.

Inverted.

Resolved!

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Maybe the hive is a staging area?


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Post by dan Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:15 am

Very good, smelly.  

So, now, who is king of the mountain......?


1:05..........

I guess there’s no question as to who is the king of Monadnock.


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Post by FatThorDude Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:23 am

Who is riding me?

It not my ego to say I feel some powerful ones tossing me around like a ball.

I just rolled up.

All Hail Zeus!

The bitch is back and she’s pissed, ha!

I could understand the princess as vengeful angel or daimon.

The gods must ne Daimons and crazy.

I’ve seen glimpses of what they see.

Beautiful golden light.

They must twitter around the cosmos.

Any muppet would be scared with the veil lifted.

This is fucking insane.

But it must be true.

I know it is.

My head is turning inside out.

They are laughing at me.

I can hear it.

Uh oh, they saw me.

Run!

They let us steal their treasures.

Trojan horses!

We are Trojan horses!

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Post by FatThorDude Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:30 am

We were meant to be here.

Since the beginning.

What a fool I’ve been!

A real ass.

This really whips the llamas ass.

The flowers whisper sweet nothings in my ear.
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Post by hobbit Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:44 am

Dan,

You assume tooooooo much.

I am certainly more at home with animals, especially dogs.





There are muhamed freaks, they are all over the UK, mostly from Pakistan.


I fear nothing, especially where angels fear to tread, fear is what is to fear.


People now have a new god...the mobile phone, I don't have such, they worship them, offer them all their monies, talk to them, sleep with them, they are addicted to them.


The pied piper ( phone) will lead them over the cliff edge.


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