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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

    Thank you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 06, 2019 7:44 pm

    It’s possible you have deluded yourself.

    It is not a future pulling us.

    It is the momentum of the moment.

    It is possible you are suffering from schizophrenia.

    How to know?

    Let it all go.

    Don’t follow the prompts.

    Intersubjectivity to me is akin to group insanity.

    We are social animals, yes, but you can’t whisper in a monkey’s ear and not drive it insane maybe.

    But learning to trust your intuition takes practice.

    And you have to be skeptical of all of it.

    Have you considered consciousness could just be a child and totally irrational?
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    Post by dan Mon May 06, 2019 7:54 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that I have considered most of the possibilities..... that are considerable.  

    So, I become the town crier for the Eschaton.  

    I readily admit that I have no proof for any Eschaton, but, when push comes to shove, I think that we all must follow our hunches.  What else are we to follow?  


    Anyway,  back to the muppets........

    Many of the muppets are in the market for a credible prophet.

    And I feel called by the Telos to speak on its behalf.  I do not have an engraved invitation to do so.  I’m not standing on any ceremony.  

    But, yes, here I stand...... and many, if this ever came to their attention, would take considerable offense.  I gather that you do, for instance.  

    The offense is not merely that I’m scrying in a crystal ball, but, in the process of doing so, and in the interest of full disclosure, I point to a passage in the Bible that appears to be making reference to the eventuality of a certain role being filled.  

    I would not be entirely honest, if I were not forthcoming about my motivations.

    What is a chicken little supposed to do about them apples?  

    One might have thought that the Telos would have been leaving a trail of breadcrumbs, for our gradual edification.  

    But such was not the case.  

    Instead, the Telos did just the opposite....... it left us with a Grand Deception..... leading to a Great Apostasy.  

    What kind of Telos is that?  

    It is a Telos of the personal kind, and I happen to be the person...... April fools, sports fans!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 06, 2019 9:27 pm

    Well, if you want to play that game, as always, you are on your own.

    Ok, you want to be thier Jesus.

    Much better candidates.

    Chopra has tried to do what you are doing using Hindu nonduality and they laugh at him.

    He wears those dumb glasses.

    Bad move.

    Eckart tolle is quite the entertainer, but full or new age shit.

    He made his own religion.

    So many have.

    As you are.

    The only way you are leading an eschaton is if you have the big show behind you.

    If Ron and Princess pulled your leg, you got nothing, do you?

    You certainly aren’t leading any revolution from OMF without Jesus.

    Jesus, oh Jesus, please come fix the shit you caused.

    Now who do we believe when 140k Jesus speak up?!

    Dan, you are so Don Quixote, which is why I love you really.

    Come on dude.
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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 2:51 am

    dan wrote:Ok, so now smelly is an empty vessel.....

    Uh, oh, I hear that nature abhors a vacuum.

    Is nature going to abhor, you, smelly?  

    Universe exists in a vacuum, so just what is a vacuum?

    All they do here on Earth is remove atmosphere from a sealed vessel by lowering pressure.

    Pressure is a consequence of implosion over outrush We call gravity.
    Pressure increases in materials as the attraction of created materials line up towards the heart centre of Earth, hence a whale can dive deep in water as it reverses that attraction field around itself , then there is no pressure except the whales natural heart centred field that it exists within.

    Biefeld Brown effect, by field, by field, clues left in plain site.

    So a vacuum is actually where no field is dominant.


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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 4:29 am

    God sure managed to deceive all you apostates.  

    Why wouldn’t God deceive chicken little?

    I don’t think God is in the business of deceiving himself.... that’s all.  

    As to the Princess and Footmann......?

    Sure, they might be deceivers..... they have managed to deceive you all, many times.  Why wouldn’t they be deceiving chicken little?  

    They pretend to deceive me, and they do a good enough job of it..... for gummint work..... kudos.  

    I speculate that they know better.  They probably have a need to know better.  

    What if the Princess did not fall from the sky?  

    What if Jesus did not rise on the third day?  

    That’s between Jesus and God.  

    What actually happens in Jerusalem, stays in Jerusalem.  


    hobbit,

    Ok, immaterialists don’t believe in vacuums, either.

    You would save yourself a lot of trouble if you would set aside your children’s toys.  

    Take a page from John Wheeler...... the only real phenomenon is an observed phenomenon.  



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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 5:16 am

    Dan,

    Those who believe in gravity are infants in thinking.
    Those who believe light travels are babies in thinking.
    Those who believe in black holes need to be born again.

    I am the ultimate observer, the one who can observe the non visible.

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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 5:42 am

    Yes, hobbit,

    We all become one with the Ultimate observer.  

    There are different paths to the Catbird seat.  All paths ultimately turn out to be the one best possible path.  

    It sounds a bit paradoxical, on this side.  On the other side...... a lot of things will make more sense.

    The paths of photons through a double slit are also paradoxical, on this side, but they also work out for the best, I think we can agree.  

    All this comes from the Anthropic Principle...... a principle you eschew in public, along with your fellow scientists. You do enjoy hewing to the slipstream of that heard.  Your self identity depends on eventually being recognized by that herd.

    You still believe, like that herd, that the tail wags the dog.  

    You spend a great deal of time worrying about how the tail works.

    You might prophet by also worrying about the dog...... once in a while.  

    This tail that you keep wagging, bless your heart, is it the best possible tail?  


    We have the potential for a team, here.

    Have you ever played a team sport, hobbit?

    Once in a while, it’s customary to pass the ball to the striker.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 9:22 am

    I suppose life fooled me Wink

    But never RandA or chicken little.

    I’ve had their numbers since I stumbled onto them.

    This is a regular ship of fools.

    We have our captain suffering god and apocalyptic delusions and our navigator navigating vortexes.
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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 9:35 am

    Oh, so that’s how it’s working.......

    I understand better, all the time.

    And, yes, you did see right through us, from the start.

    You’re just too clever by half..... you smelly goat, you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 10:38 am

    I see through all of it.

    It’s translucent.
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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 11:15 am

    You come into this world alone, and leave it alone.

    I don't need any team.

    I am following straight pathways that are one inch wide.

    If I were totally alone, I would be fine.( good to have a dog though)

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 11:52 am

    Aye on the dog, the best companions.
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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 12:07 pm

    On several occasions Dan has stated that Smelly is protecting Me.

    Anyone any idea what Dan is on about?
    Is there a big bad wolf around here?

    I do like Smelly, He's really bright and funny, but I can't picture Him as a knight in shining armour on a white stallion, with Arthurs sword.


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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 12:19 pm

    hobbit,

    smelly was the squeakiest wheel.

    You are the next squeakiest. You are coming to my attention.

    Do you enjoy attention?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 12:22 pm

    Everyone ignores the goats while they wander and do their thing.

    I don't ride white horses or wear armor.

    I ram you in the ass with my horns, usually just for fun.

    Or we sit down and nap with you.

    Naps are nice.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 3:02 pm

    Dan, you should take your jive to reddit.

    A discussion board any any topic.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/1aqbpq/leibniz_best_possible_world/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ -700k users

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/ - 190k users

    Haha.

    Lot of good porn on there too, but that's a distraction.

    Goats like porn sometimes.

    That's where most serious people are discussing any number of topics.

    It's wild out there.

    I dove in and seem to swimming on my back just fine.
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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 3:44 pm

    Thank you, Eric, good luck,

    Just now, I’d like to attempt a conversation with hobbit......  


    hobbit,

    I think of you as having a dowser’s perspective on the world.  

    You and I share a scepticism of the Newtonian/mechanical view.  

    You see nature as animated with fields of ‘energy’, and I think of nature as animated with fields of ‘consciousness’.  

    For all I know these two kinds of fields could be one and the same.

    I think we have spoken about the unity of nature.  

    Certainly, numbers provide a unifying Principle that do seem to lie behind many natural phenomena.  

    There are many of the Pythagorean persuasion, wherein we can see the world as a mathematical construct, of some sort...... allowing for yet a third sort of field animating nature.

    Also, I seem to recollect that both you and I are skeptical of the Darwinian account of things. Correct me if I have the wrong impression, please.

    Out of curiosity, I wonder what is your opinion of the deep ecology movement.

    Anyway, I just trying to find some common points of reference.

    I don’t want to put you on the spot...... just if you have some spare time to clue us in.......





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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 3:53 pm

    dan wrote:hobbit,

    smelly was the squeakiest wheel.  

    You are the next squeakiest.  You are coming to my attention.  

    Do you enjoy attention?  

    A squeaky wheel is normally due to wear, that is where material is rubbing on other material.

    In a better world there will be no such wear, as it will all be field interactions , there will be no need to rape this planet for oil to ease the wear, or to explode the created oil, as implosion as nature will supply the displacement and the field upon field will provide the frictionless and crash free lift and direction displacement .


    Birds do not crash into each other, fish do not swim into each other as they are operating with a variable orientation field to counter the dominant implosion field that creates the consequence wrongly called gravity.


    This is exactly how so called flying saucers operate, and thus they are actually time machines as so called gravity is time.


    time =gravity.


    Alter either and You alter the other.


    Do You want a better world, or are You trying to protect time?


    With My field empowered ring on You will not see Me, as I will be fractionally out of Your time, it's really simple, but it needs simple right brained thinking, not physical left brained .

    After the experiences in time, in leaving the surface, in tripping across dimensions as I have, I have relentlessly sought out WHY and HOW.




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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 4:09 pm

    I never talk of "energy"

    Consciousness is the empowerer of all creation , there is no such thing as energy.

    All of this current worlds so called energy is the release of compressed consciousness, fire been the basic .


    This explosive method cannot continue, it has brought what it has, but it is destructive.


    Nature is operating via implosion , and in simple terms that means a vacuum been created to pull the piston up, instead of an explosion creating pressure to push the piston down.


    Steam powered had the chance when it created a vacuum when steam cooled back to water.( transmuted)


    By field implosion the same can be achieved.


    A true nature of electricity must be recognised as Tesla knew, and this false method of wire transmission dropped, it is just to enable meters to be put in line, consciousness is what electricity is derived from by spinning magnetic fields rapidly to compress consciousness where it will always seek to go to the heart centre of the dominant field of earth.


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    Post by 99 Tue May 07, 2019 4:18 pm

    smelly wrote:Dan, you should take your jive to reddit.

    A discussion board any any topic.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/1aqbpq/leibniz_best_possible_world/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ -700k users

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/ - 190k users

    Haha.

    Lot of good porn on there too, but that's a distraction.

    Goats like porn sometimes.

    That's where most serious people are discussing any number of topics.

    It's wild out there.

    I dove in and seem to swimming on my back just fine.

    Dan doesn't belong at Reddit because his intelligence (and his occasional belligerence) would blow them out of the water and if they don't kick him out for that, he surely will be after he tells them he's God. 
    I kinda feel sorry for him because there's really no place else for him to go except maybe somewhere "where the sun don't shine". Poor fella. He might as well stay put at least for the time being.
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    Post by hobbit Tue May 07, 2019 4:27 pm

    To better comprehend the strange ability I have called DOWSING is My driver.

    I have little other abilities, I can't write joined up words, or play any musical instrument, I have read one book....the hobbit, normally reading more than a few pages floors Me.


    This is the dyslexia world I operate in, but for some strange reason I can interact with the non physical realm.


    There are very few I can communicate with due to My inabilities relative to the vast population.


    There doesn't appear to be a TEAM I would fit in with, and most like Myself instead prefer to drop out of sight as such, as Smelly tries to do.
    I am more determined than that, and intend to know this system I detect, warts and all.


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    Post by 99 Tue May 07, 2019 4:33 pm

    Let's face it, we're all a bunch of misfits but come hell or high water, we will survive. I can't say that for those so called "normal folks" out there nevertheless, all of us are where we belong... here. Cheers!
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    Post by dan Tue May 07, 2019 4:45 pm

    Thank you, hobbit and 99,

    Now I have some things to meditate on.  

    And I agree, 99, we tend to be strangers in a strange land...... I mean smelly is one to give social advice.

    But thank you, 99, for the culinary advice...... it sounds more practical.


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    Post by 99 Tue May 07, 2019 4:48 pm

    In the meantime, here's the best Balsamic Vinaigrette Salad Dressing on the Planet:

    2 tablespoons honey

    1 tablespoon dijon mustard

    1/2 teaspoon fine sea salt

    1/2 teaspoon freshly crushed black pepper finely ground

    1 large garlic clove minced

    1/4 cup balsamic vinegar

    3/4 cup extra virgin olive oil

    Instructions
    In a small mixing bowl, whisk together the honey, balsamic, mustard, salt, pepper and garlic. Add the oil and whisk thoroughly to combine. Continue whisking until the dressing is fully emulsified.

    Store in a jar with a lid and refrigerate. Shake well before serving. Enjoy!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 07, 2019 5:05 pm

    Just a suggestion.

    You like to argue, you might like it.

    And you just posted a big synchronicity for me.

    Hmmm.

    What can you do with stuff like that really?

    Just smile I guess.

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