Immaterialism 7

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This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

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Thank you.

See what you need to see.

But you don’t need anything.

Just relax muppet.

You always been my puppet

I’ll relax when I see that the world is definitely awakening to the fact that it has already been saved.

You already know this, smelly...... but you don’t realize how it has been accomplished.  And that is not sufficient unto Eternity, because you don’t think Jesus had anything to do with it.

His was a crucial piece of our puzzle.  Without that piece, the rest of the puzzle will make no sense.

In order to get back to the Monad, you have to see the big picture.  Getting back just on pure faith...... that is a very bumpy, narrow road.  

You think you have already arrived...... but, get real, smelly..... look around you, and smell the coffee.  

How many folks have arrived at what you think is paradise?  

I think we can agree that a great many have not.  

What is to be done with them......?

Not my problem, says smelly.  

Perhaps not...... it’s my problem...... and you are my last obstacle..... my last challenge.  

You are my last portal.  

I will not, cannot rest until you have opened your eyes to the bigger picture.

God made the world just small enough for all of us to be able to understand it..... and big enough to be a challenge.



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Monad or bust!

Paradise lost is heaven found

I’m sorry that you got lost, Aaron.

Next time, you might choose a better guide.

Dan, no, it’s definitely not my or yours or anyone’s problem.

I’ve been clear about nothing.

I don’t know why here is not adequate for you.

Maybe you should get off at the next stop.

I have nothing else to say about god stories.

I will rest in my ignorance of your mind games.

I’m guessing that it has been about forty times that you have promised to shut your mouth and go away.  What is your guess?

Oh, yes, I do believe that Creation is the best possible mind game.


7..........

It would certainly be a new day if we were not to be constantly bombarded with obstructionism...... with nay saying.  

It would take some getting used to, and, evidently, there were more than a few who found it entertaining.  I did not.

Scientists are extremely leery of any form of non physicalism.  Some philosophers are slightly more adventurous, but they have no where to go.  What in heaven’s name would they do with consciousness, were they to demonstrate its existence?  


9:15.......

Many who count themselves amongst the resistance to mind, understand full well that playing with mind in a supposedly physical world is playing with fire...... in a wooden cathedral.

Give mind an inch, and it will take a mile.  Once you start down the path of lending an ontological credence to the mind, you are entering onto a very slippery slope...... leading to God knows where.  



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Party on!

Thank you, smelly. I would appreciate it if you could leave us to our own devices, for the time being.

It’s simple, are we home or are we not

Are we where we are supposed to be or do we have somewhere to get?

How can we be anywhere but here?

So then, what missions could there be?

If you reduce it down it’s clear

There is only here

We can’t leave home

We never have and we never will

Time is an illusion

There is nowhere to go and nothing is needed

Right here doing not-doing everything is accomplished already

Consider the sun and moon and stars

Consider the flowers and trees and birds

If you let go of effort everything just works out

Logos and the empty open unknowable/unspeakable all converge and merge here now

You can have your cake and eat it too

Being and non being, self and no self, logos and the unknowable come in and out of bond an infinite number of times in a finite moment

You don’t have to pick a side

You can be slippery and free

If your trying to show people they have everything they need already then missions are counter productive I feel

If it is already the best possible world then what use are missions?

How can this be the best possible world AND we have to get back to the monad?

Are we not already completely one with the monad already?

Seems contradictory

I guess me posting anything would also seem to be a contradiction...

Shrug

Don't know

With logos there seems to be many contradictions

That's why you have to cut straight to the root

Yes, the best possible world is embedded in Eternity...... and time is an illusion vouchsafed to us mortals.  

As a magician, you may snap your fingers and have the illusion disappear...... wonderful.  

I’m just here to explain the magic trick.  

If I were you, I would just keep snapping my fingers....... right on.  


This also has to do with the ontology of portals, and the fact that they have mostly to do with our subjective and inter subjective states.  

You are are quite welcome to cut straight to the root.  

Why then do you suppose that your skill is not more prevalent?

I believe I have the answer to that question.  However, there is no reason for you to inquire further.  In fact, I suggest that you don’t.  

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Just entertaining the possibility that we live In The Best Possible World which is a gift of Grace via the Holy Spirits intervention, triggers off an awakening process of the realization that G-d,  that the Monad, is in each and every one of us. 

And just like in the song Amazing Grace where it says, "was blind but now I see",  we become "born again" to that realization that we came into this world with but somehow lost and FORGOT along the way. Being "born again" means that you have attained a level of Spiritual Consciousness that reveals to us Jesus and his divine presence in our lives and  in the world around us.  It is a "knowing" that He dwells in each of us  and that we are members of the collective unconsciousness and consciousness of humanity that is One under Him.. Whereas before we went about our business blind to the reality of that TRUTH, we are now set free from the fog of ignorance and amnesia that prevented us from knowing that.

There is no reason to suggest anything

Jesus was a fool who died for no reason

He wasn’t even real

He was always in fantasy land

And everyone of us has the God given right to be born again into that same ‘fantasy’ land.  

Science, philosophy and technology, when viewed in the proper light, are now able to propitiate that awakening in all of us, globally.  This is what the Cosmic spirit has conjured for all of us to witness, at this particular juncture of history.  Be glad.

I don't believe in cosmic spirits anymore. I recently developed a strong believe in abusive love. I have it, we all have a lot of it and it's a real issue for the future of the world.

Vortimond,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.  I have not dwelt on the issue of abusive love, previously. My focus has been much more on cosmology.  This is a microcosmic issue that all too easily spills over into the world at large.

You preface your remarks with the statement of your non belief in a cosmic spirit.  

This thread, however, is all about cosmic spirit..... so I’m wondering why you bring your troubled spirit, here.  

Your visitation might help explain some previous visitations.  

Where does abusive love fit into the best possible world?  Who ordered that?  

I have spoken more generally of the phenomenon of hate that may be perceived as the shadow of love.  I have said that hate may be perceived as being parasitic upon love.  

Shadows can point to the light..... however, if you have blinded yourself to the light, the shadows are of no avail.  

All that you are going to see are the shadows.  The world would be a very bleak place, indeed.  

And I am here to tell you that things are likely to get worse, before they get better.  

You can ascertain, right here, that the WoM/MoAPS is proceeding rather slowly, and this may be just when the global material standard of living is beginning to decline, after centuries of increase.  

Social inertia is very likely to carry us well into the downside of the best possible world.  


11:50........

Aaron points out to me that the shadows make room for creation.  

There may be much truth in this observation.

Many folks are chased towards the light by the shadows.

Some of these gather here.  V is certainly one of these.  

Portals are primarily an escape mechanism.  

We are being chased back to the Monad, by the looming darkness.  

There is much denial, of course, in the face of this Darkness.  

The better you can see the light..... the better you can see the darkness.



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A fish and a bird may fall in love but where do they make their home?

What do they say?

If you love someone, set them free.

The better you can see the darkness, the better you can see the light.

Max Headspace is Max Love

https://thegspot.home.blog/2019/04/27/space-travel-are-portals-closer-than-we-think/?fbclid=IwAR17IUGLnId7BEETpA1JCb7hWi9zuXWf7SBzTRDfwhtbNwY3z8xIYZMEgAw
answer=right in front of Your nose.
hobbit

Yes Hobbit, the answer is so close we can taste it

If we could just stick out our tongue and lick it...

I am here to tell the world that we are free to commence licking.

When the time is right, the unripe sour apples ripen and turn perfectly sweet and tart.

You just have to have the patience to wait for the right time

Portals help us make Apple Pie for everyone

No persons can be left behind

smelly wrote:So Dan, really, I’m not bitter at Jesus.

I watched a Jesus move last night even, Mary Magdalene, not too good, but I enjoyed Joaquin Phoenix as Jesus.

Can’t believe River died.

What a great actor.

A god.

I think Joaquin played it like I have imagined it.

Ironically, they both grew up in a Jesus cult.

Joaquin is like Jesus playing the joker.

Before the movie, I got a goat hair up my big fat butt.

I did a study of the likelihood Jesus was just a story.

You pet them sweetly until they viciously bite you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_conspiracy_theory

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I don’t know where you think you’re coming from, but you are not being helpful, here.  

Please, remove yourself from this thread, U.


One project, going forward, will be to rework the ‘topic reminder’ post, to wit........

We are here to discuss the Disclosure of personhood/personalism.  

This is occurring against the backdrop of anti personhood that is rampant in modern society.  

This anti personhood declares itself as being humanistic, which is one of the biggest misdirections in history.  

Those perpetrating this sham ought to outed for the phonies that they are...... and they will be, soon enough.  

Humanism is the so-called ‘philosophy’ that supposedly is the foundation of the secular establishment.  

I’m here to point out that this alleged foundation is non existent.  

That’s all......

Humanism is just the continuation of the Enlightenment, which was almost entirely anti clerical...... the ‘humanism’ part of was just an ill conceived attachment.  

The founding Fathers and their constitution was purely a product of the Enlightenment.  

I will say this much about it...... it was the best possible declaration of secularism.  Perhaps it should stand in perpetuity as an outstanding relic of the Enlightenment....... and meanwhile, we carry on with common law.  

No, my friends, there will be no rollback, here.  It’s upward and onward....... Monad or bust.  

When I realized, back in ‘77 that the secular establishment would never be able to handle the Anthropic Principle, I realized that we had the mother of all paradigm shifts on our hands.  

And then I realized that it was not going to be on our hands...... it was going to be in my hands....... that’s just the way the prophetic cookie crumbles, my friends.  

There cannot be a vision without a visionary.  

I was slated to be the #2 portal back to the Monad...... get over it..... get used to it.  

Am I imposing myself upon your freedom?  

No.  I am your freedom.  Freedom is the recognition of necessity.  I am here to present your necessity to you.  

Let’s just say that Mt Monadnock looms in your best possible future.  

With the Disclosure of Monadnock, we will be passing beyond it’s event horizon....... better buckle your seatbelt...... and watch out for the firewall.  

You have all the freedom of a skydiver...... just don’t forget to pull the ripcord.......

Looking back on it all, I’m just thinking how incredibly myopic are our fellow ufologists...... they surely can’t see the forest.... for all those darn trees that keep getting in the way.  


11..........

More or less by default, we’re still holding onto the unlikely prospect of a WoM/MoAPS....... quite unlikely.  

Every day, it looks more as though donny, bless his heart, is meant to be my stalking horse...... billy weld could be my wrangler...... along with John Roberts.  

I suspect that Disclosure is liable to come on Impeachment day.  That is the ace up the sleeve of potus.  Only problem is that it’s my ace.  The ptb will be glad to sit on my head until that day.  John Roberts doesn’t need to go down in those flames.  

No one, besides me, has ever mentioned the AP on this forum.  That should tell you something....... shame on you, all.  

The AP is basically the law of gravity for the Monad...... get over it, get used to it...... and be sure to hold firmly to that ripcord...... Geronimo......

All of this is so blindingly obvious that, once you see it, you will know immediately that there is an ongoing conspiracy of silence...... all in deference to our very own chicken little.  

This cone of silence has been engineered by none other than our very own foot, bless his heart.  

Is foot opposed to the WoM/MoAPS....?

That is the sort of question that we should have been asking ourselves, all along.  

My off the top answer has to do with the timing......

There are at least 10k folks, globally, who have information Omega, and many of those are also aware of the one time existence of the R,A&D show.  

Had the WoM/MoAPS been allowed to proceed spontaneously, it would only have been a matter of weeks before Omega ran into chicken little....... end of story.  

So, then, what is the best possible alternative......?

There has been too much deliberation, already.  No point in pretending otherwise.  

This buck has to stop somewhere.  The only logical place is at the White House..... in some coordination with impeachment and/or resignation.  Does anyone have a better idea?  

I hope that mike has been doing his homework...... more than I can say for you, all.  

I suspect that mike has already been introduced to the joe show, and knows all about Sgt. Santos Lopez.  It’s a small world, after all.  

And, after all, joe was recently named intergalactic commander of the Space Council.  

Another place to look for signals, besides DC and Salt Lake, would be to Winnipeg.  Grant was aboard the Eschaton bus, early on.  He and Doug are as likely as any members of the public to have an inside track.


12:30(ft/gmt-3)..........

Basically, it’s all over, but the shouting.  

And there will be plenty of that, sports fans.  

We’re now looking at a two year deadline, max.  And it’s liable to be more like two months.  

We need to assure ourselves that donny will be well out of town, before 2020 starts heating up.  

The first priority of the politicians will be to lead the public discussion on the difference between personalism and humanism.  

Basically, humanism was a non starter.  It was only ever an embarrassing appendage to the Enlightenment.  The sooner we get beyond it, the better.  

There is really only the legal standing of human rights.  

That legality should remain in the province of common law.  

Law is not the problem.  

Lawyers are the problem...... judges and juries are the problem.  

How long will it take these folks to catch up with Personhood?  

As secularism implodes, how long will it take sectarianism to catch up?  

And what will be the shape of sectarianism, going forward...... post chicken little...... apres moi......?

The people we should all worry about most are the academics.  

The secular implosion goes hand in hand with the academic implosion.  

Ground zero of the MoAPS will be college campuses...... and those will become circuses.  The professional schools will be keeping their heads down, as much as they are able.  

Most of the tenured liberal arts faculty will just have to be pensioned off.  

The technical departments can be sidelined...... also keeping their heads down.  

Everything else will have to be reinvented..... from the ground up.  

The students will obviously be playing a proactive role.  

The internet and social media will be playing a proactive role.  

The Princess......?  She will likely be in demand...... especially on the college circuit.  

Me....... hey, I’m very happy right here, holding hands with Cy..... Cy willing.  

The militaries of the world.  They will be dog catchers.  

They will back up the policia.  Mostly they will be restricted to barracks...... until they can be mustered out of service...... as expeditiously as possible.  

Will there be more Arab Springs, Velvet Revolutions and Occupy Wall Streets.......?

Of course, but.........

They will be following the lead of what is falling out on the campuses.  

Next to the academics, it will be the clergy that will be hard hit.  They will be needing hard hats.  

Besides the so called intelligentsia/academies, the churches will be another ground zero.  

Will there be a theocracy......?  

That is the question of the hour.  

For how long can there be any semblance of a separation of church and state?  

In what fashion will the Kingdom Come be emerging?  

This is where the portals will be coming to the fore...... along with the Princess.  


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And, I almost forgot........ what’s going to happen to capitalism?  

As little as possible........ same thing that’s going to happen to democracy...... as little as possible.  

The Kingdom is within, sports fans.  

Quite likely, this was smelly’s only point.  He just had a hard time spitting it out.  

Hindsight is 20/20.  

smelly could also be right about me just shutting my mouth.  

Both of us had trouble complying.  

And what’s a blowhard like donny to do?

Who better to blow the whistle on the Eschaton?  

And what is the intergalactic Commander to do? Should he just mothball his fleet?


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The appearances are the meaning

Aaron,

Thank you.  

You are quoting Anaxagoras........ Appearances are a glimpse of the unseen.

According to Anaxagoras all things have existed in some way from the beginning, but originally they existed in infinitesimally small fragments of themselves, endless in number and inextricably combined throughout the universe.

Your post was getting very long Dan, I felt I should break it up

You are quite the visionary

Smelly says that saving the appearances is just realizing they are mental images