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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

    Thank you.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:13 pm

    damnit

    lol

    shrug

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:15 pm

    Dan, all I have proved is I’m a blind donkey.

    My concern is not that anyone believe me.

    None of that matterz for my self.

    But if someone takes a dump next to me, I’ll lkkely tell them it stinks and might tease them and say they smell like shit.

    If they follow the coherent words about shit to their incoherent source.

    They could find instant illumination.

    I don’t care how this is received.

    I don’t care what anyone says about it.

    I don’t have a point but to say your poop is smelly.


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:18 pm

    maybe smelly is just saying once you connect the dot-to-dot circle why keep retracing it over and over

    It is after all a single circuit...

    perhaps he has a valid point

    shrug
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:21 pm

    I’m pointless.

    When you are, yuh won’t care what I say and you will just play.

    Why so serious about eschatons?

    I poop on the eschaton.

    Smile like you mean it.
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:25 pm

    smelly,

    Ok, be our laser guide star.  Our adaptive optics system...... us, deployed globally, needs a reference star.  You have a problem with that?  Aaron and I will even hold your hand.  

    Won’t we Aaron?

    Or smelly can be our anti guide star....... wherever smelly points, we just look in the opposite direction.  

    You poop on the Eschaton......!  That’s exactly what I mean....... we just follow the smell...... and voila...... there’s the Eschaton.  


    Thank you Aaron...... for your double teaming..... one on the head, the other on the rear. smelly’s not quite as slippery as he thinks.

    Maybe the both of you deserve a rest.



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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:30 pm

    I don't know man...smelly is making me feel more lazy all a sudden

    not to mention I watched the Big Lebowski last night

    perhaps I just stretch out on this lawn-chair and sip a margarita....

    a cat has to take his/her cat naps....

    they have several a day

    I'll be back after my nap

    nighty night
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:33 pm

    dan wrote:
    You poop on the Eschaton.   That’s exactly what I mean....... we just follow the smell...... and voila...... there’s the Eschaton.

    lol

    magic bananas
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:42 pm

    we do both deserve a rest Dan, that's true

    wu wei is always at rest

    some magic cats nap while they hunt or while they play I guess
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:50 pm

    Do you negotiate with the Sun or Moon or Stars?

    They just move through the Sky.

    Because of their predictable movement, we use them to navigate and plant things.

    Do you use comets and meteors this way?

    We may only see them once in a lifetime.

    This happens to anyone who shares the experience of now.

    Do you understand every piece of art you have experienced?

    They leave impressions on you made up of the env and the person and the art.

    I could just write poems or tell funny stories like others.

    But I’m in one place, here.

    Anything you focus on, you become.

    Anyway, I don’t want to talk about me.

    I’m just here, so what?

    I speak up spontaneously, no idea where any word will go.

    I know what happened, I showed my self.

    No one else needs to know even.

    It might be better if they don’t.

    Our denial of our death leads to many fairy tales.

    It’s impossible to avoid them and if you try, people seem to become militant atheists.

    I don’t know about anything beyond my life.

    I can only answer one question.

    How then shall we live?

    Be here.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:59 pm

    you can't be anywhere but here smelly

    why do you enjoy pooping on the story

    its just a story

    it didn't really harm you

    it was all just a dream within a dream

    how do you like to eat your oreo cookies at the restaurant at the end of the universe?

    everyone has their own style

    the differences don't really matter so why poop on the guys who enjoy splitting the oreo in two and eating the cream and cookie separately?

    you like to eat it all in one bite

    cool

    do you like to dip it in milk?

    I do
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:10 pm

    Why did Bodhidharma stare at a wall?

    Why did Joshu spit in anyone’s face who asked what’s the point?

    Why did Jesus wash others feet?

    These things happen.

    I’m an in your face donkey.

    I don’t need more stories.

    Eeeeeeeee Awwwwwwww

    Shrug


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:13 pm

    these things happen

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    Post by hobbit Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:16 pm



    Sacha Stone.

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    Post by @awestruckt Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:20 pm

    Joe is claiming to have been appointed President of the Space Council according to a release he posted on his linkedin page today. The Space Council really is a thing (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/fifth-meeting-of-the-national-space-council), but there is zero mention of the cheeseman in any news releases or websites anywhere, except for his linkedin page. Hmmm...
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:24 pm

    who cares about Joe....

    This Sacha Stone dude is one to pay attention too

    i'm 6 min in to that video

    this guy is not to shabby

    thanks for the share Hobbit

    its a good warning about becoming spellbound

    now just don't go and get spellbound by Sacha Stone

    zen and wu wei do seem to be the most direct route of breaking the spell but they leave out persons

    The west and east do merge in the center
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:43 pm

    Western Zen was a trap set for individuals in the West.

    You don’t need Sacha, watch yourself, don’t need me either.

    We didn’t gain our sight for others.

    Funny thing is, once that light always here is visible to you, it blinds you after a beautiful last look.

    You see your self unfolding as a flower in your life.

    Seeing is just for the one here.

    It happens.

    I can’t say I recommend it.

    Maybe stick with your stories.

    Only the touchy feely base jumpers find this ultimately.

    You have to be the one who Peter Pan begs to come with him.

    Only problem, you have to jump out the window and actually fly.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:57 pm

    wow

    The eschaton and the metanarative are sacred cows we must ultimately hulk smash

    clinging to nothing you do float with the clouds

    the last idol we smash cannot be given any warning

    wu wei

    turns out the way is no way

    who would have thought?

    not me

    gypsies are free
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:34 pm

    sorry Dan

    smelly is kind of right

    we do cling to the story until we don't

    shrug



    lighting strikes once, maybe twice and you see your a gypsy

    lost and wondering we face our freedom with a little bit of fear at first...until we don't I guess

    pull up a lawn chair and have a margarita

    we are having a pool party at the edge of the universe

    cheers

    flip flopping is fun

    I could do this for eternity

    personal...interpersonal...impersonal...it's all variations the same thing

    it is not meaningless

    the meaning is the appearance

    the appearance clings to nothing
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:46 pm

    Aaron, one thing I learned on OMF, the wind always blows and spins us in circles or we seek shelter in a story, but when you put a sail out of your own making, away you go.

    Whoosh!

    Some of us weirdos do like to stand in the cold dark rain forgoing shelter.

    We want to take it all in.

    To touch it all and be touched by it all.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:17 pm

    What is the self?

    Entanglement I feel.

    What happens when it’s all untangled?

    Tell me the story that explains chaos.

    Tell me the story that describes death.

    All stories end at the barrier.

    If you were with the real, you wouldn’t be there.

    My gospel is to live here in your life.

    Sounds like the jmans real gospel to me.

    Work with what you are.

    Love the ones you are with.

    I don’t live in a story about the end of being.

    Plenty of liars live out there.

    No liars are here.

    We don’t need a better story.

    We need to remember the source of all of them is us.

    Follow the story to the incoherent source and what do you have?

    Happy Happy Joy Joy
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:42 pm

    the metanarative is an abstraction of one thing

    self

    what is self?

    It's entanglement

    what happens when its all untangled?

    we aren't gonna know

    just like we won't know our own death

    What story explains death?

    The self want's to live forever




    The way that can be traveled is not the eternal way

    we see our life here

    what else is needed?

    you need share nothing

    but the eschaton is someone else's story

    its not even ours really

    the Tao having done nothing always escapes because it loves obscurity

    the Tao is like water, it always seeks the low level

    the path of least resistance

    I am not condemned to an apocalypse

    I can choose my own adventure

    what happens when untangle it all?

    what happens when you reduce it down?

    "Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after recognizing what is and accepting what is, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters."

    light and dark arise mutually

    what is the difference between on and off?

    everything is interdependence

    all of what arises mutually is the Tao

    are persons central to the Tao?

    persons and the Tao arise mutually

    no persons, no Tao, no Tao, no persons

    mutually arising is the key to riding the wave of wu wei

    to connect the net you disconnect the net

    it's counter intuitive

    but you can play with it

    you are here and words appear
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:51 pm

    When the dream, or any fiction, comes knocking and asking you to come and play, try kindly declining for a month or two.

    Thought and stories are talking monkey crack.

    Some people taste nicotine once and that’s it for life.

    If you clear your mind for awhile, and man, did I need to clear my mind after short circuiting it, things become clear in stillness.

    The emotions come to pull you away.

    They are the ones hooked on the stories.

    One summer, when I was 12, I watched one soap opera and I was hooked. I watched every soap opera I could tape the whole summer.

    Just my experience.

    Dan is a crack dealer.

    They are trying to sell you maybe the best crack ever!

    Blind donkeys don’t be smokin no crack.

    I just had to let the dream go.

    Eeeeee Awwwww



    Lennon, the most god damned beautiful human being I ever saw or heard.

    What a day when he died.

    I was the dreamweaver.

    But I am reborn.

    I don’t have a problem with the dream.

    Just remember it is one and be fucking nice to each other please.

    Stop making me come down here Wink

    Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    And don’t forget to turn the lights off when you are done playing.


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:06 pm

    the dream is the dream
    its over before it began
    and it goes on like this here now
    ordinary mind
    simple everyday life
    flowing like water


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:07 pm

    We are playing those mind games together Dan pushing the barrier, planting the seeds.

    Love is the flower.

    You got to let it grow.

    Don’t dream about death.

    Amazing song if you listen to John you will know for sho.



    This is the Voice in your face.

    Instant karmas goin to get you!

    Gonna knock you right in the face.

    You’ll be dead soon.

    We all shine on like the moon and the stars and the sun.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:16 pm



    liberation is the end of death

    what's dead may never die so why try?

    if you can't beat em, join em

    smile like you mean it

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