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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:01 pm

    “I’ll freely speak the lion’s Roar of Reality.”

    What way should we go?

    We don’t grasp at “voidness” or ignore cause and effect.

    Rejecting the truth or grasping at entities isn’t the way either.

    We don’t reject delusion or grasp at truth.

    We use the sword of insight.

    The blade is sharp and bright.

    It severs confusion.

    It ignores the entangled branches.

    And it cuts at the root.

    No shining being or shadow can resist the blade of insight.

    We spread clouds of compassion.

    And loose the rain of nectar into creation.

    It is where you stand.

    Free of struggle and searching.

    It can’t be held or released.

    It is here.

    It’s silence speaks, it’s speech is silent.

    If ask me what doctrine I preach?

    I would tell you Vast Awareness.

    All the words are meant to disentangle you.

    Above, selections from the Song of Liberation.

    A lot of words to say nothing at all.

    https://wwzc.org/dharma-text/zheng-daoge-shodoka-song-liberation
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:52 pm

    Accepting what is as simple as opening your eyes and breathing

    The pretender pretends it is more complicated than it is

    To be a real person here is very simple

    You don't have to do anything

    It’s all happening now
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:13 pm

    Floating empty with the clouds wu wei cuts through karma instantly

    Opening yourself up completely you become like water

    Following the path of least resistance and finding your way back to the ocean

    Oceans evaporating into clouds

    rain waters the gardens

    Aimlessly and effortlessly the water accomplishes everything

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:21 pm

    Dan, what say you about Chris Langan’s CTMU?

    I have found some zen folks saying it seems like zen.

    Chris insists the CTMU must be true.

    “Reality is a language that is talking to itself about itself.”

    He speaks of incoherence and coherence.

    Good and evil.

    Also the theory insists something was here before the Big Bang and that’s what a new theory says too.

    Interesting synchronicity.

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:20 pm

    How does the concept that something was here before the big bang cohere with panentheism?
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:15 pm

    Reality is language talking to itself about itself


    "A master asked a monk why he had never asked him any questions about Zen. The monk explained that he had already attained his understanding from another master. Pressed by the master for an explanation, the monk said that when he had asked his teacher, “What is the meaning of Buddhism?” he had received the answer, “Ping-ting comes for fire!”

    "A good answer!" said the master. "But I’m sure you don’t understand it."

    "Ping-ting," explained the monk, "is the god of fire. For him to be seeking for fire is like myself, seeking the Buddha. I’m the Buddha already, and no asking is needed."

    "Just as I thought!" laughed the master. "You didn’t get it."

    The monk said, “Well, how would you answer?”

    "Go ahead, ask me." said the master.

    "What is the meaning of Buddhism?" inquired the monk.

    "Ping-ting comes for fire!"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:20 pm

    Ping-ting comes for fire!
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    Ha
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:55 pm

    Chris feels God is Logos.

    This is an a priori assumption, no?

    The eye can’t see the eye.

    Or does it see itself through us?

    I have been speaking

    I have not been speaking of merging into nothing.

    I have not been promoting we become Ubermensch either.

    Death is a bitch of an existential crisis.

    Look, it sucks on a lot of levels, we can cry together about it.

    Consciousness is very agitated.

    I feel it.

    God, huh?!

    Phhhht!

    You can’t look at the bullseye.

    Focus amplifies self.

    There is no coherent system for this here.

    It’s monstrously vast.

    Self made of self.

    Descriptions are brutally limited.

    People can say anything.

    But when you corner them, they show you themselves.

    Sometimes they can see themselves in the reflection of the mirror of Logos.

    Underneath the conditioned mind is the unconditioned which is intrinsic.

    No act of Will reveals.

    No mentation state reveals unconditioned mind.

    Try it and see.

    This is all we have to offer, which is nothing.

    This state is preceded by the great doubt.

    It happens in a moment.

    A flash and then it passes over you burning away the conditioned.

    Not a word really can be said of this ———.

    All my words are lies.

    I am a blind donkey.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:06 pm

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    Post by hobbit Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:09 am

    Aaron wrote:How does the concept that something was here before the big bang cohere with panentheism?

    Those who believe in a big bang need their heads banging together.

    It's utter garbage.

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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:22 am

    hobbit,

    No, you are wrong........

    The Big Bang is not utter garbage.  It’s the best possible Creation story for Science.  

    I have no Creation story...... other than the best possible world was designed by two persons..... before Eternity...... that story is good enough for gummint work.  

    Everyone else......?  We are coCreators..... we are all on the design Committee.  


    Now, sports fans, I think I’m finally able to declare victory over my Arch nemesis, the smelly goat...... I’m sorry, smelly, allow me to apologize in advance......

    How victory......?  

    I think I finally understand smelly’s role as my best possible Nemesis.  

    I have smelly’s number, IOW.  Too bad....

    With smelly’s number, I can only reaffirm my number, and I’m #2.

    Ok, so smelly can be #3, if he likes..... for the sake of argument.....

    #1 is the good cop.  #2 is the bad cop.  #3 is our first prisoner.  

    Any questions........?

    I didn’t think so.  

    IOW, I’ve finally trapped smelly between love and truth.

    Can he not just wiggle out of it?  

    Can he not deny and deconstruct his way out of his best possible prison cell?  The more he struggles, the more tightly will the ligatures of the Logos bind him.  His only way out is love.  He already knows this.  He’s just very reluctant to admit it in public.  It’s embarrassing.  

    After all, he’s spent his whole life, in public, denying the truth of love.  Now he’s in for a public shaming.   What could possibly be worse?  

    If Jesus and I can capture smelly, then we can capture everyone. The whole world is then our oyster, and smelly is our Pearl of great price...... the cosmic irritant is bound in the luster of the Logos. The more he struggles, the shinier he will become.



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    Post by Course Catalog Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:52 am

    Hey Dan, Now that The Cheese Man has been appointed Intergalactic Space Emperor by the Foot, is there a pending announcement you will be VP of Eschaton?
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:58 am

    VP?  

    Ok, I guess I’m Vice President of the Eschaton.  

    Yes, so I’m number two.  

    My first act in office will be to assassinate the inter galactic emperor, and replace him with #1.

    Better idea........ I’ll just take Joe’s galaxies away...... I’ll make them fall on my head....... ouch.  

    After all....... #1 and I are the primordial Quantum witnesses of the universe. No?



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:25 am

    Chris Langan is an interesting dude.

    CMTU = cognitive theoretic model of the universe

    https://medium.com/@variantofone/explaining-the-ctmu-cognitive-theoretic-model-of-the-universe-163a89fc5841
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:34 am

    Don’t worry, Aaron.  I’ve got Chris’s number, too.  

    He can be #98.

    I got a free trip to California out of Larry Frascella, just on account of Chris and me not getting along too good.

    Chris does have a fairly good handle on the Logos, it’s just that he doesn’t grok on persons too well.  I guess he just couldn’t swallow the small world. That can be tough for...... even for the smartest person in the world.

    It’s hard for me, anymore, to find anything that I don’t have a handle on. I mean, now that I have a handle on smelly........ I guess it’s all down hill from here. smelly will forever be known as chicken little’s high water mark.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:52 am

    Ha

    I knew you were going to say that

    Lol

    Would the Zen folks say the CTMU is just more dried dung?

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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:02 am

    Aaron,

    Heck, no........ Chris is #9 in my little world.  

    Is that ok?

    Chris is a devout Christian, after all...... and an excellent bouncer.  Maybe he should be my bouncer.

    Chris just demonstrates how stupid the Zen folks can be.  Even smelly understands this..... that’s why he’s the pearl of great price.  

    smelly hates labels, that’s why he hates me so much.

    smelly just needs to understand that if the shoe fits, you gotta wear it.

    smelly is dreaming that he’s in Paradise, already.

    It’s my job to wake him up.......

    Smell the history, smelly....... we’re not quite there yet.

    There is a narrow portal through which every sapient being will have to pass.

    Actually, no, it’s more like a gauntlet........

    You, smelly, are #3 in the gauntlet. Chris is #9.

    But once you see how the buoys are lined up, you can just use dead reckoning.

    Until that point, you’ll need your #3 size shoes...... we have some rough ground to get over in the meantime.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:31 am

    Love wins.
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:37 am

    Ok, so now what......?

    All that’s left to do is to prove that love wins........ love’s gonna get you.... in the end.  

    smelly is my exhibit A.

    The more you resist, the harder you’ll fall.



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    Post by whoknows Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:54 am

    Everyone is always after the power, but that's not what it's about.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:56 am

    Dan, you can’t just claim victory, ha.

    We struggle with our mortality against the backdrop of our groundless state and our insatiability.

    Religion is ramping down, it is not a solution.

    Self-deception has a price.

    Man’s will to power through romantic ascent goes all the way back, prometheanism isn’t a solution.

    There are aspects of Zen only the Zen can comprehend.

    They have found nothing.

    I admire them for facing groundless being.

    And declining to engage in dreaming.

    If the will to power can be checked by compassion, one can awake from the dream to face death.

    My dream is over.

    Being here awake is all I have attained, which is nothing.

    I let the visions and voice speak as they like.

    They just are along for the ride on the blind donkey.


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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:00 am

    wk,

    It’s all about understanding.......

    I claim to understand Jesus.  

    If you understand Jesus, you understand everything.  

    I’m just batting in the cleanup spot....... I guess that’s #4.


    smelly,

    News flash........ I already have......

    God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.  


    Allow me to amend that slightly........

    God said it..... I understand it, and that settles it.  

    I can say this, because I not the smartest guy in the world.

    If I can understand it, even you can, smelly. And, if you can, smelly, then so can everyone else in the world.

    Nay...... so will everyone else in the world.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:14 am

    What's going on?

    Did I miss something?

    Is smelly embracing persons?

    Where does the East and West merge?

    Islam?
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:20 am

    Islam is one of the four great vectors........ and they all point to the Truth.  

    On a clear day, you can see the Truth, all the way from here....... at OM.

    And when you understand this, Aaron, you’ll understand exactly what is going on in Sri Lanka.

    And when you understand what is going on in Sri Lanka, you’ll understand precisely what is going on in the rest of the world.  

    Yes, it’s all about portals and princesses.



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