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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by 99 Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:30 am

    This integration process is also called The Journey of the Soul and no one said it was easy. In fact, it can be very painful but, then again, c'est la vie... right? 
    But once one sets on that path, which is said to be the one less traveled, they also take back a piece of their sovereignty because their shadow self begins to fall away where only a pristine true self remains... a true self that is a reflection of love.
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:03 am

    We have several things going on at once........

    The matrix, the hive, groundhog day, alice, seeing the dead, ubiquitous internet, super bugs, ufos..........

    The cosmic eggshell protecting our egos gets thinner..... more porous....

    One way we protect our egos is by reverting to racial, ethnic, national, gang, clique, etc........ identities.  Those are only a temporary relief...... from the onslaught of our collective unconscious.  

    Many third worlders, though, are just coming to ego consciousness for the first time.  

    The breakdown of the bicameral mind started in Ancient Greece millennia ago, and is, just now, completing its world domination....through the internet.  

    The background for this ego explosion is scientific materialism, with its atomization of the world, and the individual.  

    Inevitably, when political cover fails, we turn inward.  

    Thus do we see the smelly phenomenon...... egoism is transformed into spiritual isolationism...... everyone else becomes a muppet.  

    Such is the political background of Disclosure.  

    A case in point is Aaron, who was asked by the Princess to leave the forum.  IOW, he got the memo.  

    I have not fully processed this development, but it must be related to the developing politics.  

    I truly don’t think the royals ever actually processed the small world.  If foot actually has, it was only under the rubric of an assignment.  

    I don’t know if the TTSA group will be able to pull off a follow up to the tic-tac story.  There has been some fumbling.  

    Failing TTSA, we have Joe’s group, with a pending lawsuit and other possible exposures.  Exposure at the Lake would inevitably lead back to DC.  

    Thus do we see a battening down of the hatches.  Clearly, the WoM/MoAPS will not survive an active, targeted resistance.  But, when the cover blows, there will be hell to pay.  

    Is it all for the best?  We’ll just have to see.  

    smelly, too, has often served as an ad hoc part of the resistance, unwittingly, though, I’m rather sure.  His resistance, such as it may be, comes from another level, and so may well be the royal resistance, ultimately.  I would not take any of this personally.  It is just personalism, taken up a few notches, I would guess.  All part of the show...... pass the popcorn.....



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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:19 am

    I have never been asked to leave the forum by anyone


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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:22 am

    Welcome back, Aaron.......

    So, where were we........?
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:26 am

    Haha!

    You is funny Dan!
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:34 am

    I’m a riot
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:46 am

    99 wrote:This integration process is also called The Journey of the Soul and no one said it was easy. In fact, it can be very painful but, then again, c'est la vie... right? 
    But once one sets on that path, which is said to be the one less traveled, they also take back a piece of their sovereignty because their shadow self begins to fall away where only a pristine true self remains... a true self that is a reflection of love.

    Nonsense
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:50 am

    I am not isolated at all Dan/Adam, it must be lonely for you though.

    It is you who persists in your separateness and distinctions.

    If the Princess asked anyone anything she is a pretender.

    Awareness illuminates and I have my Being in its light.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:36 am

    The Trump and the Joker
    Always misbehavin
    We are ruled by cartoons
    And grotesques
    This is who you are
    Enjoy the view
    It smells to high heaven
    What happens next
    Is anyone’s guess
    Batman’s mask removed
    Reveals the Joker
    Always peeking through

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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:34 am

    The spirit moves, and we move with it, eventually.  

    There are attempts to bring down the spirit.  

    The ASMR phenomenon is one such attempt.  There will be others.

    The flying saucer phenomenon is not going away.  

    Trepidations regarding the future only intensify.  

    The growing scarcities of non-renewables continues to be exacerbated by exploding and mass migrating populations.

    The defensive political reactions to these threats, actual and perceived, are constituting a global negative feedback loop.

    Technologists strain harder to stay ahead of the scarcities and threats.  

    The global financial marketeers can only continue to increase leverage and risk.  There is no turning back.  Capitalism cannot blink.  

    The dimensional interference phenomena exist in many guises.  Various folks push those boundaries with all means.  When a global dimensional synergy arises, it is very unlikely to be bounded....... we have another global feedback loop.

    Financial excesses, growing expectations in growing numbers, all imploding around our wired globe........

    The ptb play with these matches, as exemplified with the royals.  

    The psychic forces become amplified in many dimensions.

    Pass the popcorn.......?



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    Post by 99 Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:25 pm

    With all due respect Dan, you never cease to amaze me, hence why I am here. That was a brilliant disquisition that's worthy of scholarship. Very direct and coherent with none of your usual fuzzy obliqueness injected into it that leaves us scratching our heads on what exactly you just said. I appreciate that... especially on the topic at hand.
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    Post by 99 Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:42 pm

    smelly wrote:The Trump and the Joker
    Always misbehavin
    We are ruled by cartoons
    And grotesques
    This is who you are
    Enjoy the view
    It smells to high heaven
    What happens next
    Is anyone’s guess
    Batman’s mask removed
    Reveals the Joker
    Always peeking through

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    WTG smelly! You pretty much zeroed in on what Trump is all about on this one. I definitely share your sentiment on this one because it's like he's been picked out from central casting to perform the role right down to every excruciatingly horrific detail of it. And like the antichrist in Revelations, he's a got a support base that inexplicably and moronically praises and adores him that can't see past the mask that he wears as an agent for the very elite swamp of one percenters that he claims to be against. It's hypocrisy at its finest but his support base is utterly oblivious of that fact.
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:58 pm

    With all due respect, 99, I thank you.  

    I was going to take smelly to task for casting aspersions on your previous thoughtful post.  

    I was of mixed minds....... smelly is scared of me, so he picks on everyone else........ redirected aggression. And then he just gets further provoked.

    smelly ought to get good money for his best possible obstructionism.



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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:21 pm

    99 wrote:This integration process is also called The Journey of the Soul and no one said it was easy. In fact, it can be very painful but, then again, c'est la vie... right? 
    But once one sets on that path, which is said to be the one less traveled, they also take back a piece of their sovereignty because their shadow self begins to fall away where only a pristine true self remains... a true self that is a reflection of love.

    There is no true self 99

    Smile

    “The experience of being an individual is self-confirming. “I am reading these words, because I experience it now, therefore I am real.” That position is a psychosomatic misunderstanding: separation is real. The result is the experience, the false claim, that something is missing, the individual is real and its experience that something is wrong with it or with everything else, are all true.

    The experience is firstly what is, is incomplete and second, that through its own efforts it can find that completeness and make its life good (whatever that means). This sharing explores and undermines these false claims by pointing out the overlooked. The individual is real only in reference to knowing. Knowing is the currency of the individual. Experience is the currency of knowing.

    This sharing undermines the veracity of the claim, that the individual is what it experiences itself to be. It explores the possibility, that what is beyond experience and beyond knowing, is what is longed for. What is (unknowingly) longed for is the end of the search, the end of need, the end of trying to find completeness.

    The individual is stuck in finding something, unwittingly longing for nothing, the end of experience, in that missing the solution: unknowing. There is no answer to the problem of being an individual, the solution is the end of the individual. What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason.”

    -Jim Newman

    ......


    The good news is, there is no such thing as separation. What the separate sense of self is looking for is all there is. There is only that. This. This is not particular or exclusive. It is everything exactly as it is. Everything is an expression of wholeness, everything is the end of the sense of separation which the separate sense is looking for but in looking the separate sense can only register something, the particular.

    When this reality is recognized, it is seen that there is no separation, that the sense of separation was simply a dream, that it never happened, there is no and never was a separate self in the whole of everything. Everything paradise is perfect and complete. But nothing changes, as there never was separation. The appearance is no longer informed by the search for the end of the fear of death and the neurotic outcroppings of that search, but everything is still, everything. In the absence of the search there is a unknowable wonder that this what is, can be, just that it appears, a quiet awesomeness that is this meaningless purposeless explosion of everything, which is an anarchy of love. Absolute freedom appearing as whatever is.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:48 pm

    Everything is on offer

    Only nobody can have it

    It is nothing

    Just this



    First 5 min of this appear to point to nothing and everything

    You are already nobody
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:02 pm

    You can’t tell anyone what to do
    You can only share your own view
    You speak for no god or source
    You can be here with no remorse
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:06 pm

    There is nothing to do

    This is nothing happening

    I do not own a view, there is just words expressing nothing happening

    There is no source, there is only what is

    Source would imply separation

    True, you can be here with no remorse

    There is no one already

    so really the everything on offer is already what is

    Just this

    What is is nothing and it has no meaning or purpose, it just is

    Just this
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:30 pm

    99,

    So, ok, smelly partially redeemed himself, with the drawing of the Joker, referring to Trump.  

    I agree with both of you on that score.


    Aaron,

    You are wrong, 99 is correct.......

    We all have a true self.  That true self is Jesus Christ.  

    At the Omega, we all become one with the risen Christ.  

    Why should anyone have a problem with that?  

    Why should anyone not think that would be the best possible outcome?  

    If you can think of a better outcome, have at it.

    Let us hear your proposed alternative, please.  

    Who do you think you are?  

    What authority have you to tell us that we are nothing?

    What an arrogant fool you are, Aaron.  

    May God have mercy on your soul.  


    99,

    I apologize to you for Aaron’s arrogance.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:27 pm

    Aaron wrote:There is nothing to do

    This is nothing happening

    I do not own a view, there is just words expressing nothing happening

    There is no source, there is only what is

    Source would imply separation

    True, you can be here with no remorse

    There is no one already

    so really the everything on offer is already what is

    Just this

    What is is nothing and it has no meaning or purpose, it just is

    Just this

    Happiness
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:31 pm

    Trump is the sign of our illusion

    The antichrist collecting his fallen church

    He’ll tear down all we built

    He’ll raise walls

    Where we should have open arms

    He is truly the Joker

    Read Rushdies new book if you like

    Under the Batman mask was always Trump

    Always, the thugs have been grabbing pussy

    At our heart is not a hero looking over humanity

    No, just a greedy insecure child

    Using the world as a play thing

    It won’t blow away

    We can only stand

    And abide

    It’s only going to get worse

    This show has been cancelled


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:36 pm

    dan wrote:99,

    So, ok, smelly partially redeemed himself, with the drawing of the Joker, referring to Trump.  

    I agree with both of you on that score.


    Aaron,

    You are wrong, 99 is correct.......

    We all have a true self.  That true self is Jesus Christ.  

    At the Omega, we all become one with the risen Christ.  

    Why should anyone have a problem with that?  

    Why should anyone not think that would be the best possible outcome?  

    If you can think of a better outcome, have at it.

    Let us hear your proposed alternative, please.  

    Who do you think you are?  

    What authority have you to tell us that we are nothing?

    What an arrogant fool you are, Aaron.  

    May God have mercy on your soul.  


    99,

    I apologize to you for Aaron’s arrogance.  



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    Aaron has lost his way
    He doesn’t know what to say
    He spins not knowing why
    He has forgotten how to fly
    So spins the wheel
    Will he be the hero or heel
    Will he run and hide
    Or can he stand and abide
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:42 pm

    smelly wrote:
    dan wrote:99,

    So, ok, smelly partially redeemed himself, with the drawing of the Joker, referring to Trump.  

    I agree with both of you on that score.


    Aaron,

    You are wrong, 99 is correct.......

    We all have a true self.  That true self is Jesus Christ.  

    At the Omega, we all become one with the risen Christ.  

    Why should anyone have a problem with that?  

    Why should anyone not think that would be the best possible outcome?  

    If you can think of a better outcome, have at it.

    Let us hear your proposed alternative, please.  

    Who do you think you are?  

    What authority have you to tell us that we are nothing?

    What an arrogant fool you are, Aaron.  

    May God have mercy on your soul.  


    99,

    I apologize to you for Aaron’s arrogance.  



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    Aaron has lost his way
    He doesn’t know what to say
    He spins not knowing why
    He has forgotten how to fly
    So spins the wheel
    Will he be the hero or heel
    Will he run and hide
    Or can he stand and abide

    Nonsense
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:29 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Aaron wrote:There is nothing to do

    This is nothing happening

    I do not own a view, there is just words expressing nothing happening

    There is no source, there is only what is

    Source would imply separation

    True, you can be here with no remorse

    There is no one already

    so really the everything on offer is already what is

    Just this

    What is is nothing and it has no meaning or purpose, it just is

    Just this

    Happiness

    Happiness, sadness, peace, anger, comedy, tragedy

    Everything

    Just this

    The formless appearing as form

    Radically normal dream

    What is

    Just this

    Spectacular normalcy

    Dazling darkness

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