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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by dan Wed May 08, 2024 5:15 am

    BBL,

    Congratulations 🎊!

    Your patient persistence has finally paid off.

    You get to be the first public witness to the break up of the old Gang of Three.

    Our youngest member has finally flown the coop.

    Can two be far behind?

    So, hey, sports fans, there is nothing like being a big frog 🐸 in a small pond……. a very small pond, as it turns out…….. 🐣.  

    How does the saying go……. would you rather be number two in Rome, or number one in a small Iberian village?  

    The choice has been made for me.

    Are we the best possible Iberian village?  

    And what’s happened to the best possible Eschaton?  

    Will the portals be able to open on time?  

    Well, we may not have the key 🔑 anymore.  
    ……….


    Maybe I should ask BBL, if there is any room left in the Buddha corps….. Sunyata, here we come……
    In restless dreams I walked alone
    Narrow streets of cobblestone
    'Neath the halo of a street lamp
    I turned my collar to the cold and damp

    So now foot is pestering me about pestering the Princess.

    Fret no more……. the chick need pester nobody…… as long as I have my alleged fans and my blog….. 24/7…..

    But heck no…. I’m not going to apologize for the best possible world.

    If anyone can find any faults, rest assured that they are the best possible faults……. sub specie aeternitatis!

    The complaints department is out there….. beyond ananda.



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    Post by RealPan Wed May 08, 2024 8:06 am

    Stop being a chicken and man up. Your were born a rooster.
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    Post by dan Wed May 08, 2024 8:28 am

    Yes, I’m scared of the Princess.  

    I don’t think she appreciates the best possible world, and now she refuses to talk unless I get down on my chicken knees and start apologizing for every single chicken fault.

    Sorry, Princess, what you see is what you get.  

    Yes, I am a personalist in personal world.  

    If we don’t open the portals, I’m sure that God can find other volunteers.  

    Me…..? I’m just a 24/7 blogger….. mouth…..

    Princess, we are running out of time for apologies.  

    We go with what we got……. or you and I don’t go.  

    Everyone else gets to go…… and we get to be the last ones off the ship 🛳️.  

    That should be a privilege!  
    Thank you and enjoy the rest of your life on earth 🌎.
    Like I say…… it’s number one in a small Iberian village……. very small!  And yes, I did ask to be the last one off the ship.  
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    So, yes, BBL, we muppets do enjoy playing our games.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 08, 2024 2:24 pm

    Ha.

    You know a tree by its fruit.

    Period.

    Don’t look at what people say, which is mainly nonsense, look at what they do.

    Don’t worry about what you can’t control.

    Don’t worry about what others think.

    Roll with what comes and move from where you are.

    Pretty basic operating system that will help you avoid 95% of the bullshit in life.

    Life is mainly bullshit as humans live it today.

    There is always room for you in infinite space.

    I suppose if I boiled it all down, the wise muppet will not pick sides.

    Don’t join.

    Play your own game.

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    Post by dan Wed May 08, 2024 3:43 pm

    BBL declares himself and Jorjani to be anarchist, but at the same time declares that the reason why we are here is to find our way back to the Garden.

    I am sympathetic with both of those views.

    Trump has demonstrated his penchant for anarchism/chaos, as well.

    I don’t think that any of them, particularly not bunny rabbit, understand the dynamic of the Katechon vs Eschaton, especially not in these latter days.

    The Eschaton is to send us on our way back to the Garden.

    The Katechon is to delay the Eschaton for the best possible amount of time.

    This dynamic has already been worked out in excruciating detail, sub specie aeternitatis…….. but we are definitely invited to participate in the cosmic action.

    Yes, this will be the culmination of the greatest show in the cosmos.

    We will all have ringside seats.

    My only shtick is that it helps to have a scorecard.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 08, 2024 4:39 pm

    I don’t see these as the latter days.

    I live now now now.

    I don’t trust thinking even.

    I have looked into my mind and it’s an amazing help and a potential awful master.

    I stay close to my heart.

    It’s been the best guide ultimately.

    I now don’t even listen to that voice in my head.

    I feel this.

    I can put my hands and heart and mind out into the world and FEEL it.

    I was inoculated against the latter days by my fundamentalist upbringing.

    I don’t believe in eschatology or prophecy.

    Nothing has been worked out.

    It is working itself out every moment.

    Come on, that’s a lot more fun.

    Things are always in flux, I’m 100% with Heraclitus.

    But I have become aware of the deeper things Heraclitus was communicating.

    I have no ultimate faith in anything, but that I AM.

    Can’t deny that.

    Well, you can, but I would caution against nihilism.

    Much more fun this way.

    So this is my game.

    The final game we can play during our life.

    I feel this is the game we end up playing when we have moved on from all the other games.

    In my view, the faithful and scientific are cultists.

    Muppets.

    I am far beyond the programs of the elite and corrupt.

    They can have my body, but never my heart.

    I know not to trade my heart for baubles.

    It is the precious pearl.

    Priceless.

    I live in the Garden, I venture out as I must.

    It doesn’t matter how the world forms itself around me.

    I am actually for a Trump presidency.

    He’s incompetent, but the perfect incompetent we need right now.

    He’s the perfect Messiah for the false religion called Christianity, our American political party.

    A false Messiah for a false religion.

    Perfect.

    Let the religious right even seize power.

    Go for it!

    Let your hate flow.

    That way leads to the dark side.

    Hell, we can do the Nazis a few better I’m sure.

    Jorjani is right about one thing, we are on the verge of a massive shift to Totalitarianism.

    I believe him when he says his project was to help avoid that.

    He’s being pushed up as an Uberman.

    I’d never be that Uberman, I’m an anti-uberman.

    I think I’ve done him and his ilk many times better.

    And as the climate further destabilizes, the totalitarian regimes will thrive.

    Our democratic experiment is likely over, or never was.

    I think we have always had a poison pill embedded in our America, which was built on genocide.

    Look, Plato saw the mob and how dangerous they can be, but luckily, easily fooled.

    A real human being does not live for wealth or power.

    Capitalists are psychopaths.

    A real human being lives for the ones they love and love them.

    The meaning crisis today is a disease of the heart.

    Why have the incels supported anarchy?

    Because they don’t know love.

    They are hungering for love, but you have to learn to love yourself first.

    You can’t force love.

    You have to lie to the muppet, to contain the muppet.

    The muppet’s food is lies.

    They love lies.

    Lies give them a place to hide and hate.

    There is no where to hide in the light.

    We always know everything and ourselves in the light.

    This is all beyond words of course.

    If you really wanna have some fun, live with no net, no excuses, for no rewards.

    Don’t worry about disappearing.

    Then, from nowhere, a portal to the Garden will open inside you.

    This is the Way.

    Have fun!

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    Post by RealPan Wed May 08, 2024 6:25 pm

    One of your most common failure modes is self inflicted defeat. One of the reasons we respect the WCM is that his dictionary does not include the word "defeat." Everything he does, he does until victory. The issue at hand is too important to just walk away with self inflicted defeat. You must represent humanity or you have only yourself to blame with judgement is rendered.

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    Post by dan Wed May 08, 2024 6:36 pm

    three is done listening to chick 🐣.

    There will have to be some additional, external intervention…… perhaps at the rendezvous.

    I am just knocking my head against the wall.

    My inspiration in that direction has been depleted.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 08, 2024 9:14 pm

    One can only speak for oneself.

    Dan’s frenemies surely don’t speak for me or any other human being.  

    I smell nothing of reality in their words.

    Just lost muppets.

    Follow the light within muppets.

    You are the only one who can do this for yourself.

    When one’s inspiration has faded…the real work begins.

    Glad to see you at your end on that topic Dan.

    It’s a strange provocative dance you do on OMF.

    It’s cryptic and esoteric.

    Your princess and portal stuff is legend now on the Interwebs.

    I just jumped in, no context and danced along.

    We really had some fun times together.

    I did my best to keep my tongue in cheek.

    Perhaps I mocked you too much, but probably not enough.

    But what I did do, and what I do, is share the vibrations I pick up.

    I can’t speak to your relationships with your frenemies really.

    I’ve never been impressed by any of their output.

    But you I have been mightily impressed by.

    Forgive my intrusion on your blog.

    I was just having some fun with you.

    I don’t know if you are a good man ultimately.

    I hope you have made your way into the light for your own sake.

    I wouldn’t want any part of anything in the dark myself.

    I live in the light and there I’ll stay for the duration.

    But honestly, I have always thought you were just joking around about all of this.

    Funny stuff!

    Really beautiful stuff.
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    Post by dan Thu May 09, 2024 11:53 am

    Well, BBL,

    You have been one confused Bunny.

    Especially confused about whether we are confronting something that is unknown.

    You are smart enough and sufficiently experienced to be aware that there is more in Heaven and Earth than modern folk can imagine.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 09, 2024 12:02 pm

    And the unknown scares you?

    I’m the least confused bunny you know.

    One doesn’t need to know the details of the outside world to have peace profound.

    Ignorance is bliss.

    I think every prediction you have ever made came and went Wink

    So.
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    Post by dan Thu May 09, 2024 12:29 pm

    Well, ok, so you may have to help me out here…….

    You have been hanging around, quite persistently, as if you fear that the ‘Elite’ have figured out a way to exploit other folk’s fears of the unknown, so as to exert continuing control over them.

    I don’t think that exploitation would qualify as a joke, however.

    So it’s not clear as to whose joke this might have been.

    Nor would it have been clear what my role might have been.

    What you might be afraid of is being ridiculed for taking any sort of eschatology as other than a joke.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 09, 2024 12:48 pm

    That is correct Dan.

    But I could care less about ridicule.

    When I say joke, I have always felt this princess and Ron were just messing with you, using you for some reason.

    You are a long bet.

    You just can’t believe stuff from the internet really.

    A public intelligence officer on the internet?

    A guy like you talking about princesses and portals?

    Princess, pods, portals stuff is crazy, but I’m open to crazy.

    But I can’t deny how I met you.

    I took a leap.

    I had a profound awakening, no UFO experiences as traditionally described, an internal experience.

    I don’t let any of this creep into my daily life.

    It’s nicely compartmentalized.

    But yes, my persistence should speak for something.

    It is supernatural.

    Also, I have been having ridiculous synchronicities.

    Now I’m going to take another leap…

    I’m going to connect two threads I have in my hands right now.

    I have mentioned Tom Cheetham to you several times, you prob didn’t follow up,

    He wrote books about the Mundus Imaginalis presented by an Islamic scholar, Henry Corbin.

    Last year he began posting on his blog about this UFO experiencer endorsed by Kripal, a guy named Jeremy Vaeni. An annoying skeptical experiencer like me. Jeremy has a lot of YouTube content and he wrote some books. Not your typical experiencer. I actually relate a lot to him. About to read his book “Urgency.” I think he’s somehow talking about what you are.

    Well, today, I read the recent post below from Tom and it felt a lot like what you just said.

    It’s connected.

    Two of Jeremy’s books.

    https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-First-Disclosure-Jeremy-Vaeni/dp/0974685453
    https://www.amazon.com/Urgency-Jeremy-Vaeni-ebook/dp/B0050ZI9XU?ref_=ast_author_mpb

    Here’s Tom’s recent post.

    Tom Cheetham wrote:I first heard about Jeremy Vaeni because he was mentioned in a version of a paper that Jeff Kripal delivered at the Corbin Conference at the CSWR at Harvard. That gave him credibility for me. I’m a sucker for academic references. They are an epistemological touchstone for people like me who have been indoctrinated by Education. This is mostly a good thing, but it ought to be taken with a bit of skepticism. Anyway, I started reading his books. I would not otherwise have gotten very far because his style is decidedly not academic. It is barely even serious. But his humor and self-effacing style kept me reading because he was writing about his own experiences with bizarre and impossible events, including “alien abductions” and he was saying that almost everyone gets it all wrong. And Kripal took him seriously.
    So I persevered. Eventually I got to Urgency . That’s the one to read I think. At a certain point in that book I, very briefly, got it. He was saying that the real Awakening that is somehow the point of all this high strangeness, including the entire UFO business and much else besides, requires the shutdown of the entire human cognitive apparatus. There is nothing that we have ever, or will ever, be able to think or believe that is anywhere near close to the reality of the universe. The world is indeed stranger than we can suppose. Our cognitive abilities are optimized by evolution to keep our animal bodies alive on this planet. But “consciousness” is Cosmic, and our tiny little brains cannot give us access—we already have it at another level entirely. You should read his book.
    So I invited him to our class and he visited with us in real time for, I think, three sessions. I found him compelling, serious, funny, and genuine. He is totally convinced of the truth of his vision and this can make him a bit absolutist at times, which turned off some of the folks in the class. And I have to say that despite my attraction to his ideas I am far more inclined to posit a plurality of potential “explanations” for the wide range of weird phenomena than he seems to be. But, like Krishnamurti, who he often cites with approval, he has absolutely no desire to start a church or a cult or to amass a following. His point is the gnostic claim that he shares with Henry Corbin and many others: you cannot see the truth of what he is saying except through your own experience. No one can teach it. No one can prove it. No one can convince you. You must do it on your own. This is to me the guarantee of his genuineness. I guess it doesn't guarantee the truth of his claims, but it sure does guarantee his sincerity. He is not out for himself, but for others. His only desire is to help other people see what he has seen.
    His ideas now permanently haunt me, always hovering somewhere in the background. I think he must be fundamentally right. This is why I’m so focussed on the unknowable, and the Impossible. A persistent, quiet sense of utter mystery goes back to my early childhood and is the setting for all the philosophy and science with which I filled my life. He speaks to that weird accompaniment that haunts the everyday world.
    Unlike many of those who get all the publicity, Jeremy is not really a riveting speaker, and his extremely extensive Youtube offerings are a bit uneven. It’s useful to pick and choose according to your interests. But he is truly worth paying attention to. His video series CULTURE OF CONTACT promises to be really interesting as a very personal account of his bizarre life-experiences and what they may mean for humanity. That’s a huge claim, but if you take any of this seriously—all of this bizarre high strangeness, high weirdness, paranormal, UFO, Impossible Encounters material, then I think you really ought to check in with him now and then. He is perhaps not entirely alone in saying these things, but it’s a lonely voice. In a way, he is one of the most skeptical voices I know of in all this bizarre world of Impossible events. And that in itself is really important.

    Weirdness.

    Choiceless choice?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 09, 2024 2:38 pm

    You know what?

    All this strangeness started after 2012 for myself.

    Something did shift, big time.

    Only way Trump could rise Wink

    We are being F*cked with, big time.

    This guy Jeremy Vaeni is on it.

    He had happen what I and I’m sure a lot went through.

    We shifted.

    I’m not a new age anything and very skeptical, but…I give up.

    Damn.

    This is not unknown Dan.

    It’s strangely familiar.

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    Post by dan Thu May 09, 2024 6:46 pm

    BBL,

    Well, it seems that you are making some headway, here, but I’m afraid that there is worse to come.  

    Evidently, you are still a long way from being able to make any sense of the Eschaton.

    The Eschaton is not an optional piece of the BPWH……. it is at the core of the story.

    If you don’t grasp the basic coherence of the geocentric, anthropocentric cosmology that is essential to the immaterial ontology, I doubt that there is anything here that would be of use to you.

    I keep trying to stress the very radical nature of BPWH.

    You mentioned a number of authors, over the years, but I don’t think one of them would be able to latch onto the small world.

    You concerns that this is a strategy to misguide the public are concerns that you can put out of your mind.

    Even the Princess not willing to take that ontological leap.



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    Post by dan Thu May 09, 2024 7:51 pm

    RP,

    Please excuse my diversion with Eric the Bunny.

    Even Eric, who has attended to these posts for years, has not been able to make the conceptual leap to the small world.  

    I do believe that I have worn out my goodwill with three, and short of calling in the Marines, as you seem to suggest, I will have to continue to wield the pen 🖊️, as my weapon of choice.

    Yes, you don’t have to persuade me of the ultimate import of this topic, but we may have to follow the suggestion of Chris Straub, some twenty years ago, and just let it be a surprise.

    After all, if we are facing an event of biblical proportions, then Surprise it will have to be.

    Nonetheless, I feel no inclination to walk away from the Omega event.

    I have made it quite clear that my expectation and desire is to be the last one off the ship. My understanding is that three feels no such compunction.

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    Post by dan Fri May 10, 2024 9:01 am

    Mr J,

    Well, it does seem that someone needs to hold up the eschatological end of our ship.  
    ……….


    Some of us may have been surprised to learn that, even in its darkest days of analyticity and reductionism, in the first part of the last century, the professional philosophers did not give up on immaterialism.  

    They were smart enough to always leave that door ajar.  

    Do we have to be reminded that even philosophers have to eat?  

    Trillions of dollars poured into the universities around the time of WWII.  That would be a big hand to have to bite.

    In the area of metaphysics, we are paid to attend to the cosmic conspiracies…… never losing sight of RAW’s admonition that reality is the sum of all conspiracies ever imagined.  

    The whole point of the BPWH that we all have to put on our pants, one leg at a time.

    In these latter days, there is confusion in every corner, from top to bottom.  

    That anyone might evade the confusion……. the chances are that one of us might……… 🐣.  

    And keep in mind that the eschatological clock ⏰ is correct ✅ twice a day.  
    ……..


    So, yes, the metaphysical door was left ajar, even in the darkest days of philosophy, since, not too surprisingly, the philosophers didn’t want to bite the hand that was feeding them.

    That was then….. today confusion reins.  

    There is just no middle ground between materialism and the deep blue sea 🌊…… where the Eschaton reigns.  

    And poor me, there are just not too many eschatologists with two masters degrees in physics.  

    The only eschatologists these days, or ever, were fire breathing fundamentalists……. and they, of course, refuse to talk.

    That leaves just two and three, and they, of course, have better things to do.  

    There you have it….. the state of the art.

    Three does talk to philosophers…… two of them…… one British and one French who are coming to talk to her, soon, before the Reunion.  

    Won’t someone provide their phone numbers?

    Evidently not.  

    If I want to talk to three, I have the option of wearing a chicken 🐓 costume.  

    My kingdom for a chicken.

    It’s not easy to explain eschatology wearing a chicken suit.

    I’ve been there…… done that ✅.

    We are being treated like fools.

    Many are the folks who would agree with that assessment.

    Which of us hasn’t wondered……. from time to time?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 10, 2024 3:49 pm

    I can only continue to disagree with Dan.

    So what.

    We have come to the point in history where all metanarratives are seen to be false.

    Postmodernists see metanarratives as unfairly totalizing or naturalizing in their generalizations about the state of humanity and historical process.

    Guilty.

    Momma said there would be days like this.

    We are cocooned by lies.

    Dan’s Sun Princess Disclosure narrative is false too.

    Some of us have stopped eating the lies.

    Spasms of destruction ripple across our crumbling nation states.

    Many still grasp to this or that lie.

    Spiritual materialism is a seductive jewel 💎

    This moment is sufficient unto itself.

    If any fellow travelers come this way, keep moving, you can’t stop here.

    “Depending on no thing, you must find your own mind.”

    It’s brutal to be alive and awake as the sunny bakes the landscape.

    It’s just too damn bright.

    I can’t take Dan’s candy 🍭 away.

    No one can give or take a damn thing from anyone.

    He knows I’m correct, but what else is an old man gonna do with so much idle time on his hands Wink

    When can get down off our ass 🫏 whenever we like.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 10, 2024 6:13 pm

    So Dan and I just had a fun chat.

    When he has no one to chat with, he calls me.

    That’s cool 😎 maybe that’s how it should happen, BPW and all.

    Maybe I’m channeling Lucifer, The Adversary.

    And until he can get past me, he doesn’t get to make his next move.

    Perhaps 😇 😈

    Things happen the way they do, can’t whine about it.

    I feel when I get down to the details of what Dan is hinting about it always comes to the same gate.

    I’m spontaneous.

    Completely undirected.

    I have this moment alone.

    Perhaps I’m a clear channel or not.

    I can’t accept anyone else’s version of reality or anyone’s story about this or that as the truth.

    I don’t do missions.

    So when Dan talks about missions, we have lost our thread together.

    I’d say, what happens was the best thing to happen.

    We can’t force things.

    I want to speak to the Princess and Ron directly, if they do read these silly posts.

    Whatever you have told Dan, he seems to sincerely believe it and in fact hangs on every step.

    Now my way of living wouldn’t allow me to ever be in that situation.

    So as Dan’s friend, I have tried to represent another way of being, not living for a story.

    This is what appears as conflict with Dan and I, not that it matters, but that’s the way it is.

    I have gotten him to admit, the story he is aware of could be a decoy, he kind of volunteered that to his credit.

    I have asked him questions like a reporter would and the story breaks down.

    I don’t push too hard, but there is a point where you have to make a leap.

    To hold to a story is always unwise imo.

    But sometimes, a story is all someone has.

    We are more than our chosen story.

    We are all the stories.

    I wish I could give that awareness to every human being.

    Jesus couldn’t and I can’t.

    Now if I said, look, in 3 days the Sun will go out, talk to me after.

    How many would believe that person if it happened?

    Many.

    No miracle would convince me to believe anything, not even raising someone or myself from the dead.

    I can trust no sense experience as the final word or truth on anything.

    This is why science is totally lost chasing shadows.

    I’d know who they were by how they acted, what they did.

    Don’t hold too tightly to anything is my way of being.

    I have the most beautiful flower here in my hands, I protect it, Dan would say I hide it.  

    Until we let go of all stories, how can we really be free in ourselves?

    We never could be.

    It’s a reset switch.

    If Jesus himself appeared to me and made ultimate claims, I’d have to fart 💨 in his general direction.

    Bad bunny rabbit

    So I’m incorrigible I guess.

    Many of us are like this and have been like this and thankfully so.

    We balance the scales.

    I would never willfully mislead anyone.

    That would be the ultimate violation.

    I couldn’t propagate a noble lie or lie of any kind.

    Maybe I’m just an angel on Dan’s shoulder.

    Enough freaky coincidences have occurred between us, that Dan knows, wanted or not, in me he has a mirror and a bird from the depths tweeting at him.

    He also has someone who does not lie to him.

    Trust is earned and we are both still basically strangers honestly.

    I asked him, what if they sat you down Dan and confessed that they let things get out of hand and we need to be straight and say this was all exaggerated.

    He says he could accept that, I doubt it, but hope he could.

    I won’t repeat anything second hand, but I will say this is a dangerous game.

    We are always playing games with each other.

    As always, I hope all are living their best lives.

    Would the best possible god of the best possible world want anything else than your best?

    Lies exist in this world and can lead us into all sorts of trouble.

    But there is a resting state where you are what you are.

    Where you can see clearly through the muddy water.

    It’s often unclear what step to take next.

    I would say if Dan has a reaction to something, he should explore that.

    This is all I would ever share with anyone, I make no claims, so no, there is no fear here Dan.

    I could only show them a blank card.

    But if someone was to claim, let’s say, that the sun is going to go out, big fear!

    But there is nothing to fear ultimately, none of us are getting out of here alive.

    From “One Thousand and One Nights,” Hereupon the three took their rest until the fittest time drew near.
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    Post by dan Sat May 11, 2024 2:35 pm

    BBL,  

    Thank you for the conversation, and for this response.  

    It appears, however, that you do misconstrue the BPWH and the motivation behind it.

    This is not about my believing some particular ufo-type story.  

    This is about my disbelieving modernism and the scientific materialism that drives it.

    I know how you distrust labels…… and words in general…… but we can’t avoid them if we wish to communicate.

    Let’s say that I’m not writing this to or for you…… I’m writing this merely for the Akashic record, which may or may not exist……

    Modernism is often associated with existentialism.

    Existentialism is a soft nihilism…… nihilism about everything except the self.

    With that understanding, existentialism is somewhat less pernicious than nihilism.  

    The idea of the self is strongly unscientific, but it is a necessary concept for the functioning of any society.  

    Existentialists even subscribe to the free will.

    Existentialism is, then, a far cry from naturalism.

    How they can take onboard a free self without any further ado or questions or attempt at explanation is the height of indifference or just plain apathy.

    I don’t actually believe in free will, in any conventional sense.

    We are creatures of a cosmic I Am……. with whom we will eventually sit and have a chat. I suspect this conversation goes on every day, mostly unbeknownst.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun May 12, 2024 11:46 am

    You can’t really pay too much attention to anything anyone says or has said.

    You have to look at what they do to get some idea about who they really are.

    People will always show you who they are.

    They can’t help it.

    We do have a meaning crisis.

    People need meaning to live a life.

    The ultimate meaning I feel is that we exist and we live to survive and propagate.

    Those are our core drives.

    The rest we have made up.

    The real crisis is that we don’t believe the stories meant to provide us meaning anymore that prop up our civilization.

    But if we tore everything down, we would still be left with our being and surviving.

    So we have to create new stories and we are doing so. The Elite are trying desperately to push their stories too, but we can taste how inauthentic they are and we reject them.

    This kind of meaning transition is always chaotic, but now we can atomize the face of the earth, so the stakes of our meaning crisis has much more urgency.

    This is also when the despots and the priests rise to take advantage of the chaos.

    Power is always shifting.

    Power is always under threat.

    Power is running scared.

    Power is unnatural.

    The old tricks aren’t working.

    No one likes living with another’s heel on their neck.

    This is directly related to the UFO phenomena and how it has been mythologized.

    This is a new religion.

    And Dan is one of its priests.

    Humans need religions.

    I think we are naturally so.

    But every generation should have the chance to renew the old ways.

    The fetters we have put on our religious expression outside of a group are not a good thing.

    Religion has certainly been used to control the masses.

    No one could ever prove their religion is the only right one.

    Tolerance of one another’s religious views should be sacrosanct and the USA has gone farthest to do this.

    Which is why I and others have such a violent reaction to one religion asserting itself over all others.

    Pluralism is the best way.

    We can exercise our religious bone without the mob, in fact, that is what philosophy practiced as a way of life is meant to help you do.

    This is my religion, don’t know, stay clear.

    It is supremely tolerant of others as long as their feet are not on our neck.
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    Post by dan Sun May 12, 2024 4:13 pm

    BBL,

    All of this pluralism comes under the umbrella ☔ of the Big Bang cosmology.

    This is what is holding up the big sky 🌌.

    I have been informed that three now believes in the big world and the big sky.

    It is scientific materialism that supports this superficial plurality.

    The bedrock of science provides solid ground for a thousand philosophies to bloom.

    All we have to do is accept the Cartesian Dualism of matter and spirit.

    The spirit is then free to wander spontaneously.

    Hallelujah!



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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 8:32 am

    I cannot be tolerant of willful ignorance and neglect.  

    Adrien Chauvet and Eric Garza/Bunny have both been put in my face, and both display these symptoms.  

    Adrien has the excuse of being young and very busy keeping up with his academic profession of physical chemistry.

    Eric (Big Bunny Love (BBL)) has no such excuse.  

    Adrien’s book (excerpts) is available here…… https://www.kubepublishing.com/blogs/news/from-science-to-faith

    I’m trying to make my way through the introduction without being angry about the context in which this book is being put in my face.

    Every paragraph is raising red flags 🚩.  

    So, what is the context?

    Adrien is three’s philosopher of choice.

    two is saying that I need to write a cogent review, and then I may be allowed to reconnect with the portal process.  

    And what is the state of the portal process?  

    An imminent Reunion is still anticipated.

    I first heard about this event, several months ago, as just being a northerly portal excursion, like the several such (directional/podal) excursions I had previously participated in with this core group, all of which have been described in this blog.  

    Then the word ‘rendezvous’ was introduced.  This description had not been used before…… not recently…… it was used several years ago in a somewhat different context.

    Upon further inquiry, the anticipated event was described as a Reunion.  Hmmm…….

    Only in the last few days has this context been expanded upon.

    There are twelve Others involved, and previously known to three….. in other dimensions, and not on the Earth.

    This is to be a reunion of peers, each representing another world.  

    The implication, as best as I could understand, was that the Earth was one of twelve similar worlds.

    And here’s another piece of information, presented to me just this morning…….

    The newest claim relates to how Adrien and three came in contact.

    The claim is that Adrien had been able to detect the magnetic signatures related to the opening of portal.

    He was then able to trace these signatures back to three.

    I raised a red flag 🚩.

    This story strikes me as being egregious.

    If there existed such a technology it would already have been sequestered to the dark world.

    So, basically, I’m typing along here, as I speculate…….

    Adrien has been located and is being used as a decoy for the chick.

    The use of a foreign national in such a (sensitive) context does point to the involvement of a particular, acronymous agency.

    His strongly professed Islamic faith would provide another layer of cover.

    Understand that three would be in a similar situation……. possibly unsuspecting.  

    So what………? chick stands his ground?  What else can a body do?  

    The whole Reunion scenario is equally suspect…… particularly when comes to the positing of twelve Earth-like worlds.

    These are fighting words, in the context of the BPWH.  

    Come on, guys and gals…… let’s get real.  

    And, yes, this is how I’ve chosen to represent humanity, since my own little Rendezvous, way back in the winter of 1976-‘77……. golly, almost half a century, now…….. just using john16 as my introduction.

    Is the pen mightier than the sword…… or not?

    Yes, three claims to have been involved in this one as well.



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    It might help if you finally embraced the reality that I am but a pseudo randomly selected reader/responder with only tangential connection to anyone who might care or understand.

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