Why are we here?

Alright…….

Does anyone amongst us, besides me, believe that humans have a special role to play in Cosmogony? Alright…….
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Hearing no takers, please allow me to proceed with my relatively radical take on personalism…….

The first item of business is to point out that Personalism does point to our world as being a small, personal world…….. in the sense of it being Anthropocentric, geocentric and even Christocentric.  

From the perspective of history, personalism points to the fact that our history has the structure of a Metanarrative, with an Alpha and Omega.  

I’m aware that Anthony has titled this thread  ‘Eternal Universe’.  

I do believe in Eternity, of which the Earth is one aspect……

cont……….

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So, yes, history, necessarily, comes with an Alpha and Omega.  

All of the coverup of paranormal phenomena is for covering up the Omega.  

The primary source for the Metanarrative has been the Bible, which, also is replete with paranormal phenomena.  

The entire establishment of modernism is set against any and all attempts to subvert scientific materialism.  

Then we have postmodernism………

The entire postmodernist establishment is set against there being a Metanarrative.  

So, what we have at the present time is the struggle between the Katechon and the Eschaton.  

And, yes, whoever is not aware of this struggle is unwittingly supporting the Katechon.  

And, yes, that would include you, Anthony.  

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Dan  Yes,  In that we created the language to debate the terms you use in your message.  Whales , Dolphins and other creatures have language and way of communicating as well  .  Even trees communicate.  But we humans  make up language to make up high minded concepts to debate and discuss.  Perhaps in that way we do have a special role.

When you say "special" role to play, you mean as distinguished from  a non special role.  Who or what plays a non special role?

I heard that beyond all wars and murders, mosquitos account for most deaths on earth.  Maybe Mosquitos play a large role?
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And, yes, the Metanarrative is necessarily Anthropocentric and geocentric.  

Modernism has devoted itself to upholding exactly the opposite conclusion…… that we are lost in time and space.  

The most popular alternative to scientific materialism is the Billy Meier story.

Well, actually, the Billy Meier story envisions an unlimited material progress…… with some caveats.  

In this regard, one of my long term intermediaries, FTGM, understands that, at some point, the Billy Meier type sagas necessarily tend toward a Hinducentric cosmology.  

In particular, sooner or later, we run into the notion of the Cosmic Egg or Hiraṇyagarbha.  

And the Hiraṇyagarbha is very often found to contain a human form.  

Interestingly, then, the primary opposing cosmology is definitively Anthropocentric.

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Thank you, Doug, for supplying the with a thesaurus.  

And you suggest that we must keep the significance of the rest of Creation.  

But what benevolent Creator would have also created the Mosquito?  

Of course, there are many aspects of Nature that are inimical to human existence.

In fact, Nature presents itself as being anything but Anthropocentric.  

We, as the co-Creators of the world, have gone way out of our way to cover our tracks……. to remove our fingerprints.  

Yes, if there is a God, God must be considered to be the Master of the Coverup……. God is our Katechonic Lord, par excellence.  

Perhaps, then, as Ron frequently suggests, I am the Son of Satan…… wishing to undo God’s masterpiece…… Nature.  
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Dan, based on a question of benevolence, leaving God and the mosquito aside ask, why would God have created humans?  
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Doug,

Yes, you do raise the crucial question.  

Most simply stated, we are the clones of God, and God, like all of us, loves playmates.  

Otherwise, God exists alone in the Void.
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Dan

I agree with you.  God loves playmates.  What good is perfection if there's not a rub.

Humans are actors.  We play parts.  We just dont just live and interact, we watch ourselves doing so.
I'm often amazed how we have actors and actresses and how incredible it is that they can play( fake) their part so incredibly well

but wait!  our animal friends employ deception too dont they? .  Is that not acting?

But there is a slightly more conceptual approach to your question…….

The perennial question of philosophy is……. why is there something, rather than nothing.

Well, the one thing that cannot exist is nothing.

Ok, so there’s gotta be something……..

What then is the minimal something that might exist?

Why couldn’t there just be a rock or a mosquito…….. or just some fleeting sensation?

Ok, along with Personalism is the notion of Relationalism……. and, I’m suggesting that these two notions are closely related.

I further suggest that they are related under the rubric of Entanglement.

I’ll try to cut to the chase, here, because I have to change locations……

The most rudimentary form of ontology implies some sort of bootstrap mechanism.

This notion was put forward in quantum physics decades ago, but it never quite took off.

What I’m suggesting is that self awareness is the fundamental, cosmic bootstrap…… and that this is this necessity is the basis of both the I Am and the cosmic egg or Hiraṇyagarbha containing a sapient creature.

I’ve already given away most of the marbles…….
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DANS Question/

What then is the minimal something that might exist?

consciousness. without it , how could whatever IS ?, be acknowledged.
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Doug, now you are getting a bit ahead of the bouncing ball……..

Now you raise the question of consciousness……

There are two main types of consciousness…….. sentience and sapience.

Sentience, by itself, has almost no ontological dimension……. it is just a flash in the pan.

Sapience is a step in the right direction……. it seems to imply a minimal sort of memory.

My conjecture is that this sapience, any sapience, implies a transcendental dimension.

Or, it must have a cosmic dimension.

This is where we the Buddhist ontology……. Pratityasamutpada……. co-dependent arising.

Entanglement is nothing unless it includes everything.

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We are approaching our final destination……

The maximal and minimal existence are rapidly converging onto the best possible world.

The BPW is necessarily a small/finite, personal world.

The Earth is pushing the upper boundary of a personal finitude.

Have we missed anything?

There is a rather significant catch.

As the jguy pointed out, the Truth could only be revealed to us in the Endtimes.


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Rob and Anthony,

You speak boldly of reality and political power.

Of Truth, I’ve heard not a word.  

You are among the seven I would claim to know out of this thirteen.

Yes, I too was once mesmerized by the ‘physical’ world.  

Unlike anyone else on this list, I have done serious time with Physics.

With help of my mentor, John Wheeler, I came to understand that Physics was something of a rabbit hole.

As John said…… the only real phenomenon is the observed phenomenon.  

But physicists, following the rabbit hole of mathematics and string theory, have been lured into the realm of the Multiverse.

The Multiverse promises an infinity of unobservable universes.

Then I was introduced to a ray of light………

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The ray of light, Anthony, was something that you may only know about…. third hand.

It is the Anthropic Principle, which all serious physicists love to hate…… it is also sometimes known as Fine Tuning.  

The Anthropic principle sates that our universe is special because it contains folks like us.  

Folks like us………. who are we… from whence did we come…… wither do we go?

This is where the Truth resides, Anthony.  

You can have access to all the political and corporate power in the world…… but lest you have access to a smidgen of Truth…… you got nothing!  

Right here, Anthony, we have access to more than a smidgen of Truth.

Right here, on our list, are two and three.  

You may also have heard of the Core Story.  

Yes, there are plenty of lights in sky.  

There are plenty of Tic-Tacs.  

But, have we ever been visited?

The Core Story of the Aviary relates rather precisely to this eventuality.  


(and I’m out of the loop for a few hours)
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Basically, Anthony, if we’re not talking about the Core Story, we’re talking about nothing.

There is a rumor that we have been visited.

I know that some folks on this list are aware of this rumor, but I don’t know if you are.

Before we go further……

Are you aware of this rumor, Anthony?

And by the way, I am posting my remarks to my blog, over at open minds.

You may or may not wish to have your remarks included, but I will need to summarize them in order to be coherent.

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Anthony,

You seem to prefer that folks chase you……..

On the previous thread, I asked whether you had heard of the Core Story, and I mentioned that some folks on this list are aware of it.  

Is there something about this question that is too mysterious for you?


Anthony,

Perhaps I can help you out here…….

I just googled…… core story ufo aviary.

The second entry that comes up is from Wikileaks.

You will see two names mentioned that should be familiar to you.

Is this still too mysterious for you?

Dan,

We can tolerate your inane perspectives on philosophy. We can tolerate your inane references to the anthropic principle. Both are topics that sane and insane people can debate. What we cannot tolerate is your disinformation efforts to mislead. The "Core Story" of the Aviary was a fabrication by a small team of Scientology Techno-Scammers. It is Fake News intended to enable criminal activities. I am certain that some members on this email distribution are mentally ill, and they may joyfully infuse this fabrication into their set of shared delusions. I am attaching my comment to Grant concerning a related issue:  …… etc……


Xxx,

Thank you for responding, on behalf of Anthony.  

However, you are not responding to the central question.  

In your best estimation……. have we ever been visited?

Dan

Xxx,

We have not been visited by physical beings or vehicles from another planet.
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We are left with a certain window of phenomena…….

Simply put, we could call this the angel window.  

Inter-dimensional beings can and do materialize into this world, according to our interlocutor.  

And, yes, this could include visitors.  

And this could include our phenomenological problem.

Anthony,

You do tend to spout information…….. it is random bits of information that you glean from any and all sources that are outside of what is considered academically acceptable.

There is almost no rhyme or reason to your pickings.

In lacking any coherence, you do follow the example being set by the intelligentsia.  

Why does the intelligentsia insist on incoherence?

The answer is very simple…….. coherence has been sequestered within the various spiritual traditions.  

Modernism was left with the crumbs off of that table……. which, yes, turned out to be considerable…… even downright mesmerizing to those of us of a modernist, secular humanist persuasion.  

Rob and Anthony,

Ye of little faith in personhood.

The Coherence Theory of Truth (CohTT) is very closely related to the concept of Personhood.

Persons are the only source of coherence.

The right to life movement is exploiting the concept for purely political purposes.

And, Rob, I hate to inform that there is nothing boring about coherence.

In these latter days, Coherence is slated to be our number one and hottest topic.

The pursuit of this topic will bring about the collapse of modernism and postmodernism.

This collapse is tantamount to ripping the lid off the Katechon.

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Anthony,

Now we can all be proud of you!  

But….. and there is a but……

Did you, in your medical practice, ever encounter a soul?  

Or did you ever hear of someone else who had such an encounter?  

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You won’t believe in anything you cannot objectify.  

Science has already moved on from the premise of tangibility.

You, in all your self righteousness, refuse to budge.  

To you, all truth must lie with the atoms.

You have never heard of Relationalism.

We must keep in mind that you have sworn off all things dealing with ‘isms’.

I guess you never heard of atomism.  

Your fervent embrace of atomism belies any notion of Truth.  

But, if you don’t embrace atoms, you are liable to end up grasping the void.  

This is a scary prospect for someone wedded to objectivity.  

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I believe, Anthony, that you might well qualify as a follower of Ayn Rand……

“Rand called her philosophy "Objectivism", describing its essence as "the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute".

This describes you rather well……. as far as I’ve gotten to understand your philosophy.  

You definitely consider yourself as a heroic being……. in a splendid isolation.  

Is Reason your only absolute?

Ok, but where did reason come from?  

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Where does reason come from…….?

Scientists, engineers and capitalists have been betting heavily that computers can reason…….. their goal is artificial general intelligence (AGI).

If reason is objecifiable, then a computer will be able to perform it.

The philosophical community is divided on this question.

The question is whether there is something ineluctably subjective about the thought process.

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We live in succession, in division, in parts, in particles. Meantime within man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related, the eternal ONE. And this deep power in which we exist and whose beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen, the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the tree; but the whole, of which these are shining parts, is the soul.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

The point of God speaking in the still small voice was to show Elijah that the work of God need not always be accompanied by dramatic revelation or manifestations. Divine silence does not necessarily mean divine inactivity.

At Waterloo, Napoleon did surrender
Oh, yeah
And I have met my destiny in quite a similar way
The history book on the shelf
Is always repeating itself….

And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower
And when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him
He said all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them
But he himself was broken, long before the sky would open
Forsaken, almost human, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone…….

If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one.