Plato based his forms on Heraclitus’ view.
Heisenberg, Schrödinger, and Heidegger called for a return to the pre-socratics.
To quote from Erwin Schrödinger's book, Nature and the Greeks (Cambridge, 1954), from Werner Heisenberg's Physics and Philosophy (London, 1958), and from a lecture delivered by Heisenberg in Geneva in September 1929 and published in the German periodical Universitas. In 1943 I suggested that when Herakleitos spoke about 'fire' as the ultimate element in the material universe he meant something like electricity or energy, and I pointed out that the word fire (trup) was applied by the Greeks to the electrical phenomenon of lightning. Now in 1958, fifteen years later, a leader in the field of atomic physics, Werner Heisenberg, writes the following:' 'Modern physics is in some ways extremely near to the doctrine of Heraclitus. If we replace the word "fire" by the word "energy" we can almost repeat his statements word for word from our modern point of view. Energy is in fact the substance from which all elementary particles, all atoms, and therefore all things, are made; and energy is that which moves. [Plato interprets the thought of Herakleitos in his Theatetos by the words máura peĩ, 'everything is always moving'.] Energy is a substance, since its total amount does not change and the elementary particles can actually be made from this sub- stance, as is seen in many experiments on the creation of elementary particles. Energy can be changed into motion, into heat, into light, and into tension. Energy may be called the fundamental cause for all change in the world.' And a little later he speaks of the transmutation of energy into matter. Fragment 22 of Herakleitos reads: 'All things are exchanged for fire [i.e. energy] and fire for all things. This idea of change and exchange, reminding us of the phenomena of radioactivity, is part of modern science.
So Heraclitus was way way ahead of everyone.
He saw everything as connected, but not one…yet.
In Zoroastrianism we have progressive change held back by dark forces.
Heraclitus saw dynamic flux as progressive.
A creative teleology.
Plato saw the superstitious mob couldn’t handle what Heraclitus was laying down.
Plato said they needed to come up with a false religion.
The dialectal struggle of opposites purifies the light.
The earth and its inhabitants must go through this furnace.
Heraclitus says this kind of view was a fairytale.
Wisdom is One alone and only worthy of worship he said.
The Greeks couldn’t handle anything too rational or abstract.
Neither can we.
Plato felt the people must be given a poison/medicine.
Heraclitus saw that the fire
is ever living, not created.
The tension of the opposites is the creative force.
Heraclitus describes how our psyche/consciousness influences matter working with the quantum potential, the fire
Interestingly there is an ecstatic state that accompanies seeing behind the curtain.
A bliss.
Samadhi.
It is pretty amazing some of our greatest physicists thought Heraclitus was describing quantum physics way back then.
Pragmata and emperia are the essence of Heraclitus’ thought.
There are no rational thoughts outside of the flux.
Plato’s system develops character.
He describes post life as a place where pure intellect ponders the forms, not using senses, which obscure the forms.
Plato was a genius.
He was not being contradictory.
Plato was a duplicitous writer.
What can you read between the lines?
There seems to be a real play to establish philosophy over religion.
Nietzsche criticized Plato for seeming to devalue our experience.
Plato feared the mob rising, like today, in his day.
Plato pulls a fast one and has Socrates say, while drunk, he only understood Eros really.
These serpents have bitten me and driven me mad.
Divine madness is the gift of the gods.
Plato is diabolical.
Prometheus was the first mask of Dionysus, Satan, the light bringer.
These guys were Luciferian or Dionysian.
So Plato is preparing us for divine madness.
You have to learn how to think first.
Christianity, like Plato’s Forms, is a proper poison/disease.
It evokes an immune response.
Nietzsche says we had to go through that infection.
To the Christians, the way out of the cave is demonic.
The vast majority of cattle will degenerate into Nietzsche’s Last Man perhaps.
“The last man is the archetypal passive nihilist. He is tired of life, takes no risks, and seeks only comfort and security. Therefore, The Last Man is unable to build and act upon a self-actualized ethos.”
To give in to and depend on AI is to become worse than a robot
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