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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:30 am

    X,

    Please address the topic…….

    Why do you believe we are here?  

    I don’t believe that Jorjani has a clue.

    He never addresses the philosophical/ontological issue.

    He immediately immerses himself in conspiratorial thinking, where we are some cosmic sideshow.

    I believe that personalism is the only philosophy that makes any sense.  

    Feel free to agree or disagree, but then you must address that topic before you wander into the hinterlands/Netherlands.  

    With personalism, our existence is the central issue of ontology.

    One must become familiar with this ontological issue, in order to make sense of anything else.  

    Personalism necessitates a small world with a self-contained Metanarrative.

    This simple fact strongly implies that we are entering into the Endtimes of the Narrative.

    The proximity of the Eschaton will increasingly be impacting global events.

    We see many signs of the proximity, already.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:20 pm

    Churning the milky sea, the solstice is when this occurs, 88 little days one way then 91 days the other , with the pole central.

    I am here to fully comprehend what is occurring, and have the massive advantage of observing this via My hands.

    I am a unique living entity that thus can attune to all other living entities, as We all can but have been dumbed down to such a low level with false indoctrinations.

    I trust to My own senses and reject the indoctrinations
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    Post by X Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:52 pm

    dan wrote:

    Why do you believe we are here?  


    to play

    to learn

    to individuate

    to deepen the quality of our being

    to lose our minds at times and blow out

    to love

    to accept

    to liberate our souls

    to laugh
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:06 pm

    X,

    You fail to acknowledge the existence of other beings.

    Is that not a serious omission?
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    Post by X Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:20 pm

    none of the thing listed would be possible without the existence of other beings

    every day I look for opportunities to learn something new from someone else and to teach something new to someone else, at work, at home, at school, at play
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:23 pm

    X,

    Have you ever attempted to convey Truth?



    hobbit,

    Many folks understand that the churning of the milky sea or Milky Way has to do with the procession of our astrological orientation…… ie. with the progression of the Metanarrative.


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    Post by X Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:34 pm

    dan wrote:X,

    Have you ever attempted to convey Truth?
     

    naturally
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:38 pm

    And what is the Truth?
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    Post by RealPan Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:11 pm

    Hi


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    Post by X Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:22 pm

    dan wrote:And what is the Truth?  

    It depends on who is asking and what the context is.

    There is philosophical truth, scientific truth, mathematical and logical truth, spiritual Truth, subjective truth, artistic and cultural truths, pragmatic truth, existential truth, experiential truth, phenomenological truth, absolute truth.

    The concept of truth is indeed nuanced and multifaceted
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:28 pm

    No comment……. on RP.  

    I guess folks will have to decide in which direction lies the truth…… whether we are here by accident or not.

    RP is certainly not going to commit…… certainly not tonight.
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    X,

    So, it looks like you may have to prioritize.

    There are two theories of truth……. the correspondence theory and the coherence theory.

    I’ve staked my life on Coherence.



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    Hi


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    Post by dan Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm

    I think the last sentence should be…… Eoj si ni liaj.

    Rather sad it is.  

    As to the dimensional part, it sounds as though God is being perversely obscure.

    We perceive what we need to perceive, when we need to perceive it.

    Yes, sometimes we are vouchsafed partial truths…… however, when the SoT comes she will guide you into all the truth.



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    Post by dan Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:47 am

    The experiment with the google doc has been put on hold.

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    Post by X Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:14 pm

    dan wrote:
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    So, it looks like you may have to prioritize.

    There are two theories of truth……. the correspondence theory and the coherence theory.  

    I’ve staked my life on Coherence.

    These are the two main forms of truth that encompass philosophical truth.

    Correspondence theory of truth is more applicable in empirical sciences, whereas coherence theory is more relevant in systems of thought like metaphysics and ontological studies.

    The coherence theory's focus on the internal consistency and systematic integration of beliefs aligns well with the exploration of fundamental questions about the nature of reality and existence that are central to ontology.

    Scientific materialism rides on the wings of the correspondence theory of truth

    Scientists are not discovering objective truths that exist independently of human perception and interpretation, but rather inventing their perceived reality as they go along.

    At some point, scientific materialism will run up against the limits of empirical observation and the constraints of human cognition, necessitating a broader philosophical understanding that encompasses not only what can be measured and observed but also what can be coherently theorized and philosophically contemplated.

    Science, philosophy, and spirituality will have a rendezvous at the coffee shop at the end of the rainbow.

    There they'll play a game of 'Truth or Dare', but they're still arguing about the rules!





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:19 pm

    Well, X,

    I think you have said something.

    More power………
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    Post by X Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:51 am

    There are a lot more important problems than Truth to worry 😟 about.
    We have to end 🏁 apartheid, for one 😤, slow 🐢 down ⬇ the nuclear ☢ arms 💪 race 🏃‍, stop 🚫 terrorism 😱 and world 🌎🌍 hunger 🍆.

    We have to provide food 🐟💒 and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination 🤬🖕👮🏻‍ and promote civil 👌👀🇺🇸 rights 👌, while also promoting ↗ equal 👌 rights ✔ for women 👩.

    We have to encourage 😁 a return 🔙 to traditional 🕯 moral values. Most importantly ‼, we have to promote general 💂 social concern 😟 and less ➖ materialism 🔛✔💯 in young 👶 people 👫. Noraa si ni rewop


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    Post by hobbit Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:04 am

    X
    Do "we".
    Who says I am not already doing such?

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    Post by X Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:37 am

    hobbit wrote:X
    Do "we".
    Who says I am not already doing such?

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    Post by dan Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:54 pm

    X claims that there are more important things than Truth.

    I agree….. to the extent that love may be more important than Truth.

    Love is alleged to be the ultimate truth.

    Love and truth make little sense beyond the ken of persons.

    Into this mix there is also the Logos.



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    Post by X Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:05 pm

    I with you brother

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    Post by hobbit Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:36 pm

    Love is all You need...JL.


    But Why are We here?


    Maybe many for not much longer?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfOwZpl3-Q

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    Post by hobbit Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:03 pm

    A magical mystery tour, all aboard?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg

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    Post by dan Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:02 pm

    Well, love is the main thing we need.  

    But then we have have to figure out who We is.

    We turn out to be 10^10 biologicals…. of the sapient and gendered kind.  

    So far…… so good?  

    But then what?  

    Does anything need to happen?  

    Couldn’t we just live happily ever after?  
    ……….


    A lot of us would wish for simpler times……. to turn back the clock.  

    Instead, we do seem to be moving towards some kind of crescendo….. towards a climax, even.  

    Is this necessary?  

    An infinite world would hardly be personal.

    We would all be redundant.

    With 10^10 of us, we are certainly pushing those limits.

    Well, there are many factors that come into play in optimizing our Metanarrative.  

    And quite likely, we are approaching its end point…… or at least the end of the linear part of the timeline…… as we enter onto our return journey…… back to the One.
    …………


    We may well wonder whether any of us need to have this Truth in any explicit form.  

    Can we not easily imagine that the Rapture and Revelation will be co- dependently arising?

    Certainly the prophetic traditions are deeply embedded in our psyches.

    It would not take much prompting to bring forth this collective memory…… collective anticipation.  

    The rest of us would simply be entering into an altered state, not unlike an NDE.  

    A public Disclosure might only confuse the situation.

    Any sort of panic is not going to help with the opening of the portals.

    However, it’s hard to avoid thinking that the global Internet 🛜 will have some substantive role to play……. that the Internet could be more effective than just spreading confusion.

    I suppose it’s possible that the Internet could be commandeered by some cosmic intelligence at the last moment.

    That hardly sounds personal, however.



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