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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:21 pm

    Sapience could play a crucial role.  

    Suppose there were a universe with one sentient entity that had one sensation…… a sensation of bumping into a rock 🪨….. let’s say.  

    Would this sensation suffice to reify the rock?  

    Would it reify that entire universe?  

    To be or not to be?  

    This is pretty basic stuff.  

    Why are the philosophers afraid 😱 to pose such questions…… afraid to venture an answer?  

    Before asking a big question, you are expected to spend half your life on the little questions.

    But, yes, what constitutes an observation?  

    The existence of a universe or of this universe could easily depend on the answer.

    Is the JWST making observations?  

    Is Wigner’s Friend making an observation?  

    No less than John von Neumann thought that consciousness had to be involved.  

    In other words, the JWST is not making measurements.  

    A measurement is not completed until a conscious being intervenes.  

    How could that be?  

    But could it be just any old conscious being?  

    Let’s go back to that microbe hitting the rock 🪨…..

    A measurement implies some sort of record. No?  

    But suppose the universe ceased to exist, after the measurement?  

    Bye, bye 👋 record.  

    Yes, sports fans, welcome to the Measurement Problem.  

    Like the case of their philosopher colleagues, the physicists are very bashful about trying to explain the Measurement Problem.  

    Having worked on these problems for half my life, I can say with some confidence that all the big problems have gone begging.

    They might as well be untouchable.

    There is an easy answer for all the big questions……… idealism/immaterialism/personalism.  

    It’s much too easy.

    We’ve been paying big bucks for the scientists and their big machines…….. and now we find out that it’s all fake news.

    But it’s no accident that chick 🐣 happens to have once been a physicist………  a physicist who saw a princess 👸 disappear 🫠 around a corner.  

    Seeing is believing!  

    BFD 🙄?!  

    Well, it’s not what you know……..

    A butterfly 🦋 in Africa can cause a hurricane 🌀 in Florida.

    One fine day there will be a paradigm shift…….

    I wouldn’t mind having a front row seat.

    I don’t ask for much.



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    Post by dan Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:25 am

    An easy answer……..?  

    Idealism……..?!

    But that’s not really good enough.

    Too many ideas spoil the broth!

    What if there was only ever one ☝ idea?  

    What idea would that be?  

    Kinda off the top of my head…….. chick 🐣 would have to say that the one idea would be akin to love 💗.  

    Love?!

    Like between the Jews and the Palestinians?  

    Yes…….. something like that!  

    Why are we killing each other…….. with such gusto!  

    Because we are all very jealous of God’s love 💗.  

    And God has only so much love to go around.

    Each one of us can’t be the Chosen One❗

    But I’ve got to be a little more chosen than the next one.

    And the princess 👸 is MY friend…….. sometimes!  

    And my gun is bigger than your gun!

    And, besides, I have 2 (two) masters degrees in physics.

    Clearly, we have a numbers problem.

    We have been fruitful and multiplied.

    And now we are 10^10!  

    Where did the love go?

    There’s just one thing we can’t have too much of…….

    There’s only one place to put all that love…… into the best possible world 🌎.

    Well…….. how about into the best possible Metanarrative.  

    But why can’t we have an infinite amount of love?

    According to physics, there is an infinite amount of everything else.

    The reason is that love is not an object.

    It can’t be quantified.

    Love can only come in a story…… in a context…… like everything else.

    It’s just the dictionary problem……. the only way to define one word is with other words.

    If you wish to maximize love, the only thing to do is put it in the best possible story.  

    Ok, but then why have only one story?  

    Because the story has got to be personal.  

    It has to be self contained.  

    Eventually you run up against the identity of indiscernibles.

    Yes, love is a many splendored thing.  

    But, my friends, we may have room for an infinite amount of love.  

    Wonderful!

    But where there is space, there must be time.  

    Why not have an infinite amount of time?  

    Eternity is incoherent….. impersonal.

    Maybe for us, but not for God……. not for Omniscience and Omnipresence.

    But, wait, I thought we were supposed to be jealous of God’s love.

    Well, I suspect that God has enough love to go around.  

    But to go around what?  

    Aye, there’s the rub.

    Can’t God be omni-philanderous?
    Did you ever have to finally decide?
    Say yes to one and let the other one ride
    There's so many changes, and tears you must hide
    Did you ever have to finally decide?
    ………..


    Here’s the problem with omni-philandery…..

    Three-somes are great…… just ask me.

    But there’s a slight problem with infinity-somes…….. even if both partners are omni-philanderous.

    Even an infinity of persons at one time….. it might be personal.  

    But an open ended history……?

    If God is omniscient, we can be reassured that nothing untoward will happen.  

    Yes?  

    But, obviously, bad stuff happens……. all the time.  

    What guarantees can there be?  

    The very first thing we might ask for is that this be the best possible world.  

    Ok, but wait………..

    Suppose we have an infinity  of worlds.  

    Either they are identical, or some would be preferable.  

    I just don’t think I like the idea of multiple worlds.  

    I’m thinking that God should put all of her eggs 🪺 in one basket 🧺, and then watch that basket very carefully.

    An infinite God could watch an infinite number of baskets with infinite care.

    Yes?

    Sorry, I’m not satisfied.  

    An infinite world might be personal for Creator, but not for the Creatures.

    A major aspect of the BPW is that we are all coCreators.

    And, yes, we are all going to be one with the One.

    But the journey is most of the deal.  

    On this journey we necessarily have a limited perspective.

    But, we all partake of the Cosmic Logos……. via the Logos Spermatikos…….. the Seminal Word, as per the Stoics.

    That is the kernel of our sapience.

    That is our personal ticket 🎫 to the Wedding Feast in the sky 🌌.

    But, still, for now, we are creatures, and we have self imposed limitations……… thank goodness 😅.

    10^10 of our best friends is about all we can handle.

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    Post by dan Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:24 am

    We cannot know the Creator without knowing the Creation.

    We barely know the Earth.

    And, yes, there are allegedly just six degrees of separation between all of us.

    Still, 10^10 can boggle the mind of anyone of us.

    We cannot be microcosms of an infinite cosmos.

    We cannot be co-Creators of the Infinite.

    Personalism entails a self-containment.

    Then there is Tennyson’s flower 🌸 in the crannied wall.

    An observation must be self-contained……. it must located….. have a definite context.  

    Otherwise, it is just lost in space and time.

    Such considerations demonstrate that we are alone with the Alone….  with the One.

    Many suppose that the Earth is too small and/or the Universe is too big……. for the likes of us.

    But, 10^10 of us suffices for all Eternity……. for all Creation.

    Is the Earth the best possible size?

    Even without taking into account any sort of geophysics.

    That is possible.

    As co-Creators, it is our job to second guess the Creator……. a task not to be undertaken lightly.

    In several thousand years, there is hardly a contender.

    But are we ready for the best possible story to End?

    Should we take a vote?

    The nays have it, hands down!



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    Post by dan Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:09 am

    The Princess is onto the Omega.

    That’s all that matters, now!  

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/20/the-sphere-and-our-immersion-complex

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    I guess you have to see it to believe it.

    Hamas’s goal is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” al-Hayya said. “This battle was not because we wanted fuel or laborers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.
    Be careful what we wish for.  

    Beg, borrow or steal……. The Princess is onto the Omega. That’s all that matters, now!  

    Indeed she is and not associated spatially or temporary with the alpha.

    I guess we’ll have to see about that…….

    ……meeting with astronomers, astrologers, and theologians to discuss the Alpha and the Omega. You may be surprised to learn that there are a multiplicity of Omegas.

    Yes, chick 🐣 will believe that when he sees it!  [But], yes, you are correct…… in that we have 10^10 walking Omegas!  It sounds like a Tasseography meeting!  
    ………..


    There seem to be two observation problems in physics.  

    The first one is more of a philosophical problem……..

    Is there such a thing as an unobservable universe?  

    The question arises in the context of the Anthropic Principle and the closely related problem of the Multiverse.  

    There are numerous criticisms of the Multiverse theory, but I have not found any that invoke the Berkeley/Wheeler principle that to be is to be perceived.

    The reason is that we have become very comfortable with the notion of our existing universe as containing innumerable unobservable worlds….. just in the form of uninhabited planets and star systems.

    Secondly, there is the measurement problem of quantum theory……. as to what causes the collapse of the wave function.

    This is not something that many physicists lose sleep over.  

    Nonetheless, the SEP article on the philosophical issues in quantum theory states rather emphatically that despite the existence of rigorous mathematical formulas, there is no consensus on how to interpret the mathematics. What exist are hardly more than recipes for the various interpretations.

    And we are still left with the EPR paradox…… spooky action at a distance.

    But back to our first question…….

    There is currently definite issues with the JWST observations of the most distant galaxies as not conforming to the Big Bang ❗ model.

    Otherwise, astronomers continue to be able to fill in gaps in our existing knowledge with only having to appeal to dark matter and dark energy.



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    Post by dan Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:28 pm

    My ultimate proof of the Anthropocentrcity of our world is the UTH/IDH and the Fermi paradox…….
    There have been many attempts to resolve the Fermi paradox, such as suggesting that intelligent extraterrestrial beings are extremely rare, that the lifetime of such civilizations is short, or that they exist but (for various reasons) humans see no evidence.
    There is one incredibly simple resolution to the Fermi paradox……

    In point of fact, ‘they’ are already here, and have been here, even into prerecorded history.

    But they are not here in the form of Extraterrestrials…… they are here in the form of Ultra-terrestrials or Inter-dimensional beings.  

    Yes, it does require a very narrowly focused imagination to not be able to make the conceptual transition from the ETH to the UTH/IDH.

    I’m reasonably certain that this conceptual blockage is the crux of the Katechon.  

    Are we in any rush to blow the lid off of Pandora’s Box 📦?  

    I advocate for the stealth Eschaton.  

    If I were the queen of Heaven, I would walk softly and carry _the_ big stick……..

    Big stick?

    And, if you don’t know to what I refer, you have not been following the bouncing ball ⚽.  

    And where would you start?

    You’d simply start with the world leaders and/or their most trusted advisors.  

    These few would be granted virtually free access to the other dimensions.

    This process is already under way.

    Its progression may be finely tuned to overcome the political crises as they arise.

    However, once this process is underway, the availability of built-in holds is strictly limited.  

    The forward momentum is inexorable.

    In my humble estimation, the allotted span of time is no more than a very few years…….
    for [our] sake those days shall be shortened……

    Yes, there will be a chain reaction, accelerated by virtually every social network.  

    We are already well past the point of no return.

    We are already up to our necks in the end times entanglement.

    Taking a cue from our technical confrères…..
    At this moment in the countdown, if there are no technical issues, the "go" command will be given for "auto sequence start," which means that the Ground Launch Sequencer will hand off primary control of the countdown to the shuttle's onboard computers.
     You get the idea……

    Of course, my not so tender years are liable to leave me more than a little biased in these regards.

    But I’m not about to take my eyes off the ball.



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    Post by dan Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:21 am

    Rumor has it……. the plug has been pulled.

    Bye, bye Katechon…..!

    chick 🐣 didn’t quite make the scene 🎬……. but he was close enough for all practical purposes!!

    What…….?

    You haven’t seen the sky 🌌 falling, yet?  

    Maybe you’re standing in the wrong spot……
    …………..


    Was this supposed to be my birthday present 🎁?

    Happy last birthday!

    Hmmm 🤔……….
    …………


    A world without persons is no world at all.

    What about the Moon?…… if and when it becomes colonized?  

    It would just be a colony, pure and simple.

    Without persons, there is no there, there…… there is no context or history……… just a raw sensorium, at most.

    The world consists of our collective sapience.  

    I can’t prove that we are its co-Creators, but, obviously, it is a possibility, if you haven’t bought into Darwinian modernism, hook line and sinker.

    We are in a position to have dreamed up this world…….

    All we need is a common ground, starting point.

    I offer the Pokatok arena, for instance.  
    …………


    But, no, trying to think of the Metanarrative as unfolding in logically, linear manner is liable to cause confusion and frustration.  

    Creation and Creator are co-dependent.  

    There are broad strokes and fine details……. all rather jumbled up.

    Yes, the scientists are able to see rhyme and reason.  

    But the scientific story leaves out too much.

    It leaves out all sense of meaning and purpose.

    We moderns have become very accustomed to the notion of our being lost in time and space.  

    We know we just have to make up our own meanings….. more or less out of thin air.  

    The only alternative to surrendering to meaninglessness is to, very proactively and deliberately, adopt an alternative worldview.

    The logical alternative to materialism is immaterialism or philosophical idealism.

    The world, then, is not made of atoms, it is made of ideas.

    Yes, this presents us with the mother of all paradigm shifts.

    Yes, we have to turn the world inside out, and then stand it on its head…… metaphorically speaking.

    A veritable conceptual contortion.

    This is what the mystics of the Eastern/Asian world can spend their entire lives wrestling with.

    The only way for them to come to grips with this upside down reality is to turn inward……. contemplate their navels, if you will.



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    Post by dan Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:36 am

    chick 🐣 never was a very good navel gazer.

    I had to worry about the sky 🌌 falling.  

    Or falling down a rabbit 🐇 hole 🕳️.

    With three, I’ve been to the ends of the Earth 🌎.

    The antipodes figure significantly in our geocentricity/anthropocentricity.

    The hub has finally been engaged.

    10^10 = 10^5 X 10^5 = 1.  

    That’s how we turn the world inside out.  

    Our microcosmic noggins do the rest of the work.

    Yes, the world turns into Swiss cheese 🧀.  

    Each of us recognizes ourselves as transpersonal portals.  

    The geography quickly becomes epiphenomenal.  

    But, wait, where does our metabolism go?  

    Understand that we have the Alpha and the Omega.

    The Omega is the Sun, in our metaphorical solar system.

    The trajectory of our history has carried us to a close encounter with the Omega…….. the internet 🛜 emerges.  

    Yes, we are on an elliptical trajectory, with the Alpha and the Omega as the two foci of our ellipse.

    At our close encounter with the Omega, time/history become reversed.  

    At that point, we are a virtual cosmic embryo…….. you do recall the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey?

    Yes, we live off our baby fat as we do the anti-MPD trick of becoming one with the One ☝…… at the Alpha!

    Any questions?  

    Who are we…… from whence do we come….. whither do we go.  

    Hold your rockets 🚀, sports ⚽ fans.

    The internet 🛜 is a significant part of our baby fat.

    OpenAI……. it will break open like an egg……. but we are the egg…… we are the World.  

    The Alpha will be us sitting around the campfire 🔥, on Mt Olympus 🏔️ , roasting marshmallows…….. in perfect harmony.  



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    Post by dan Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:08 am

    Ok, so the world is our collective consciousness…….

    Heaven and Hell are our collective unconscious……..

    On the other side, it can appear the other way around.

    And, yes, we are speaking of the best possible Hell.  

    From the other side, space and time are illusions……. the arena for the Metanarrative.

    The JWST and Web/ChatGPT are both critical aspects of the BPW.

    Atoms ⚛ and stars ✨ come along for logical/aesthetical ride.  

    And what makes the world go ‘round?  

    I hardly think it needs be said……. the jguy figured that one out.

    And, yes, we’ve had all of Eternity to work this out.  

    Absolutely crucial is the fact that there is only one of us.

    We’re all connected at the unconscious……. the master Entanglement.

    How else could things possibly be?

    We are all just bags of chemicals?

    chick 🐣 doesn’t think 🤔 so.

    Just one of Us?  

    With Pratityasamutpada/MPD…… 1 = 10^10.

    Hey, don’t take chick 🐣’s word for it…… ask three.  

    You’ll have to admit…… she could provide all the proof I’ll need.

    I’ll take that to the bank, any day!  

    So, in the whole BPW scenario, is three the weakest link?

    Don’t make chick 🐣 laugh 😂!



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    Post by dan Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:57 am

    Geronimo is a United States Army airborne exclamation occasionally used by jumping paratroopers or, more generally, anyone about to jump from a great height, or as a general exclamation of exhilaration. The cry originated in the United States.
    And then locate the original hub of global communications…… both spiritual and secular.
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    1502 would almost be a giveaway.

    Then trace it back to Atlantis.



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    Post by dan Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:36 pm

    The Lisbon earthquake of 1755 brought whatever speculation there may been about this being the best of all possible worlds to an abrupt end.  

    The Churches were filled on the morning of All-Saints day.  

    A vengeful God was afoot.

    End of story……. horrifically.  

    It would be hard to miss the message.

    Those are the historical breezes we were left to twist in.

    It certainly was an omen, but the Enlightenment would be doing away with all omens.  

    Yes, there was ample entanglement that morning in Lisbon.  

    God could have been in an ironic mood……. with 30,000 lives in the balance?  

    Has the modern psyche grown overly sensitive to our mortality?  

    Is that even possible…….. overly humane?  

    There certainly is suffering….. quite apart from mortality.  

    Longevity cannot be an end in itself.  

    Quality and length of life can hardly be compared.  

    Are we being fair to find calamity to be an overriding measure of evil?

    Drama is not to be underrated as a component of a robust life.

    The mere fact that the best possible Metanarrative must be self contained cannot be counted against it.

    The Tribulation cannot be ruled out of court.

    The Eschaton cannot be ruled out of court.

    Calamity has a place in the best possible world.  

    Everything in moderation……. even disaster?

    We will see…… when the portals open.

    I wouldn’t prejudge any particular ending.

    So Voltaire was being overly hasty?  

    The jury is still out.

    There need be no doubt, however, that we prefer our disasters to be vicarious…….. just like our atonement!



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    Post by dan Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:50 am

    The only real phenomenon is the observed phenomenon.  

    And just what are phenomena, we might well wonder.  

    According to science, phenomena are the most superficial aspect of reality.

    We, moderns, see life as the epiphenomenal, very rare, ‘scum’ that arises on only the very few planets that happen to be uniquely situated within particular stellar environments.

    Our sometimes vaunted consciousness is an epiphenomenon of this epiphenomenon that we call life.  

    Yes, here we are……. an absurdity wrapped in an enigma.  

    And what is the argument that might be brought against this exceedingly spare view of our existence?

    There is something compelling about our consciousness.  

    There is the mere feeling that our minds are something that is deeply rooted.  

    They just don’t feel like accidents piled upon accidents.

    Yes, there are any number of abstruse, indirect arguments, but none of them approach our gut feeling of rootedness.

    But rooted in what?  

    Yes, we have our boots on the ground, but our spirits are all too often distracted by things much less mundane.  

    There is what is sometimes referred to as a transpersonal dimension to our thought……. something very difficult to pin down.  

    In as much as there is inspiration……. in as much as we are the recipients of ‘news from nowhere’, just by so much is our enigmatic status brought front and center.  

    Culture is nothing but replete with attempts to bring these extra dimensions into the public sphere.  

    This is where our quest for meaning attempts to find a home.  

    This is where we attempt to come in out of the cold.  

    Yet, there is the void of cosmic silence that challenges us at the core of our being.

    An abyss beckons.

    Science beckons……. with all its answers……. that add up to a blank slate.

    “…. and what rough beast….. slouches……” into this void?”
    …………


    I just finished listening to Garrett Graff being interviewed on NPR….. about his recent book on UFOs and conspiracy theories.  

    He makes the case that popular curiosity about Ufos has, historically, provided much of the foundation for modern conspiracy theory.  

    He traces this back, particularly, to the radio partnership between Bill Cooper and Alex Jones in the 1990s.  

    Garrett remains a stalwart materialist……. absolutely no speculations about other dimensions of reality.  

    There is the concomitant denial of human destiny.
    ……….


    What remains unaccounted for is our displacement from nature.

    Yes, it seems that nature is about to reign us back in, but we have a century or two of defying the odds.

    There was a rupture in the natural order.

    Does this rupture presage a rapture?

    Who wants to go there?

    The fundamentalists are quite content to bide their time, for the most part.

    chick 🐣 has no better idea……. short of a full blown Disclosure.

    That is above my pay grade.

    Open Sesame?

    That’s not quite my angle.



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    I’m tempted to say that the Sun is all about entanglement.  

    It may be the Mother of Entanglement……. the mother of portals…… in concert with Gaia.

    Is it also a thermonuclear furnace?  

    The Sun is instrumental in the fine tuning of much of physics.

    The Sun causes the physics…….. nuclear and biological….. Pratityasamutpada.  

    And what about all those other suns?  

    They would then be of a holographic nature.

    Is the moon a holograph?  

    …… a dusty holograph.  
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    The Sun as an intermediary between Earth and the heavens……

    My speculation, quite baldly, is that the Sun is the source of starlight.  

    In other words, the stars are simply celestial reflectors.

    The reflection is a convoluted process, but is more in line with the geocentric cosmology of the Best Possible World Hypothesis.  

    It is more in line with the IDH/UTH as opposed to the ETH.  

    From an entanglement point of view, the Sun would be much easier to explain than any of the other stars.  

    For instance, the Sun provides for vision and metabolism……. even though, as an immaterialist, I don’t believe in the objectivity of photons.  

    And, in saying so, I’m not just referring to the observation problem.

    For instance, I don’t believe in atoms ⚛, either.

    One question springs to the mind of an immaterialist…..

    Why bother with matter and all of its impediments?  

    Why not just stick with the aboriginal Dreamtime?  

    Why not stick with the Mount Olympus, Pok-a-Tok scenario…… the Garden of Eden scenario?  

    Think of all the tears that might have been avoided!  

    However, despite all, how many of us would choose to avoid our shot at mundane existence?  

    So why is chick 🐣 such a stickler, when it comes to the singularity of the Earth, with its best possible Metanarrative?  

    No encores allowed?  
    ……….


    Who among us would have passed up the opportunity to have ever set foot upon the Earth?  

    Eric points out the movie…….. Nine Days.  

    And then there is just one of us, finally, who, with 10^10 chances, still hasn’t gotten enough!



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    Once we’ve seen Paris, you won’t be able to keep us down on the farm.  

    However, many of us laid down our lives for forty acres and a mule.

    Things are relative.  

    No piece of the puzzle can prepare us for the whole.  

    We won’t have to ask why there is something rather than nothing.  

    And how can nothing exist without something?  

    But, yes, we are microcosms……. per impossible……. per necessity!

    Leibniz came up with best possible and least action….. practically in the same breath.  

    Why does the most equal the least?  

    You might want to ask a Buddhist…… or a Daoist.  
    ………


    If you’re on Earth, you want to be in Heaven.  

    If in Heaven, you want to be on Earth.  

    But eventually we manage to combine those POVs.

    We manage to discount the difference.  

    The difference continues to recede.  
    ……….


    How does the rubber of ideas meet the material road?

    That’s precisely what happens in mathematical physics.  

    It is a veritable mystery, but how could it not.

    Mathematical physics is the first cousin of immaterialism.  

    But do we have a single indisputable case of psychokinesis?  

    Just try to prove spoon 🥄 bending.  

    In most any work of art, this magic comes near to the surface.  

    How far are smartphones from magic, even when we know the trick?  

    How far does the Anthropic Principle extend into the reach of technology?

    Entanglement is the source of all magic.

    Mind is magic, from the git go.

    The Katechon is all about keeping the magic suppressed.

    Ethical issues come quickly to the fore.

    The ego is a great restrainer.



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    Is everyone else gone but Dan? If so, I'd love to ask you some questions from a simpleton's point of view.
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    ATI, don’t be bashful……..
    …………


    We’re all just regular folks here.  
    …………


    I think we’re talking months…… more than years.

    I know a lot of folks who would be really upset.

    But that’s how it is with a personal world.

    We’ll understand when we need to.

    Sooner rather than later.

    The dots have just about been connected.

    We haven’t done anything wrong.

    We’ve done everything right.



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    So, this is not about atoms.

    This is about persons.  

    Stars are about atoms.  

    And all good things must end.  

    And it is looking like months…… more than years.  

    That’s because we’ve been doing everything right…… and I do mean we!

    Oh, yes, I almost forgot…… chick 🐣 is a one trick pony 🐴.

    His one ☝ trick is John 16 12.  

    That may not be much of a trick……. but it will have to do, in a pinch.  

    And this is going to be the best possible Eschaton.

    And we’re going to the Himalayas……

    No you don’t……. no way.

    We might go to Kashmir.  

    Oh, well…… Ok ✅.  
    ………….


    You’ve heard that ours is the one electron universe.  

    Well, we are the one person world.

    That’s why, in many circumstances, we can communicate so effectively.  

    This is why the world wide web is such an integral part of the Eschaton.

    This is why neural nets are such a joke.

    Our brains 🧠 are quantum antennas…… back to the Alpha/I Am, and ahead to the Omega.

    It’s really just that simple, sports ⚽ fans!  

    It does help to know who is the Alpha and Omega.
    ………


    In a personal world, it’s not so much what you know……

    And we need to know only one person?  

    There is a multi dimensional aspect to personhood.  

    There is triangulation……. let’s say.
    …………


    So how do we get from dreams to Motor City?

    Wouldn’t we guess that it is all about entanglement?

    It may be a bit of leap to get from metabolism to mechanics 🧰.

    Or was it the other way around?

    After the metabolism, everything else should be a piece of cake 🍰.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:14 am

    To experience.

    All the possibilities of the 3D realm.

    Our two brains are not antennae, they are processors , the field of consciousness is the antennae/receiver.

    Consciousness is the be all and end all of all.

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    hobbit,

    Consciousness is certainly important.  

    I wouldn’t call it the be all and end all.  

    How is the world maintained when it is not being observed?  

    Even when observed the world is generally rule abiding.

    What explains the apparent objective of the the world…… that renders it so impervious to our own importuning?  

    How could we come to imagine the world as being the stuff of our dreams?  

    Throughout history, this is what most of us have come to believe, particularly in the East, and particularly pre-science.  

    Science has convinced us, moderns, otherwise.

    The smart phone 📱 I hold in my hand maintains its intricate functionality…… apparently all by its objective little self.

    chick 🐣 is dubious.  

    I’m of an ecological inclination……. a relationalist…… to be is to relate to everything else.  

    And, when I say everything, I mean everything!  

    But I’m also a personalist……. we are the microcosms…… and the walking portals to infinity.

    It’s not the atoms and photons that make the world go around.  

    It is we who do that…….. in our dreams……. and in our waking lives.  

    Our collective memories form another pillar of reality…… until an earthquake or a tsunami comes along to rearrange the furniture of our world.

    But wouldn’t this immaterialism make for a hollow Earth?  

    This is where our sapience comes into the picture.  

    Our sapience is the basis of our relationalism.  

    Our sapience fills in the gaps of our experiential world.

    It puts the stars in the sky 🌌?  

    Yes, through the intervention of a little teleology.  

    Does it also allocate the Eschaton…… the Telos/Omega?  

    That too.  

    The Metanarrative, with its Alpha and Omega, is as much a fixture of the BPW cosmology as are the stars.



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    But, yes, hobbit, in becoming one with the One, consciousness becomes the be all and end all.

    All things come to mind.  
    ………..


    But there is truly just one thing to keep in mind.  

    We are not here as cosmic accidents.

    Yes, our better angels have conspired to burden us with that impression…….. that is the essential piece of the Katechon.  

    And the Katechon is integral to the Eschaton.  

    This is slated to be the best possible Eschaton…… an integral piece of the best possible world.  

    You might well ask……. why the drama 🎭?

    We are meant to be on our toes.  

    We are here to be fully active for the duration of the Metanarrative.  

    Up until the cosmic finale.  

    Would we have had it any other way?  

    Not if we stop 🛑 and think about it.  
    ………..


    I have the strong suspicion that most folks don’t think we are here by accident.

    But most remain silent about this……. even though we are aware that this is the default, modernist understanding.  

    Are we being negligent by remaining silent 🤫?

    Do we think it’s not worth the trouble to make trouble about it…… don’t rock the boat, in other words.  

    But maybe we should be lending support to someone who is.  

    Maybe we should be signed onto a joint petition of those who conscientiously object to the modernist assumption of life being an absurdity in a meaningless universe.  
    ………..


    There should be the explicit understanding that this is meant to be a taken as a non sectarian statement.  

    Folks may be encouraged to subscribe to further self designations.

    Or we might say that this is meant for persons who have once been strongly persuaded that some form of modernist existentialism was the only viable alternative.  

    Some form of personalism is now considered a viable alternative to modern impersonalism.  

    Holding such a view is taken as taken as a philosophical rejection of modern cosmology/cosmogony.  

    We are not hereby denying the validity of any of the particular observations of the sciences.

    But we are denying the ontological conclusions that are being extrapolated from those particular observations.  
    ……….


    By agreeing to even such a minimal deferral from the standard scientific cosmology, we are implicitly accepting the probability that there is a Katechon in place.  

    The cosmic appearances are the result of a deliberate effort to dissuade us from embracing personalism.

    This effort might be understood as emanating from a conspiracy of our better angels.  

    This is one definition of the Katechon….. that is put in place to restrain our premature embrace of the Eschaton.

    In other words, the collapse of scientism is liable to open the doors to much speculation as to who are, from where do we come, and whither do we go.  
    …………


    Such speculation, were it to become rampant, would easily lead to a social breakdown.  

    Yes, many folks would simply be able to grasp more firmly to existing sectarian beliefs.

    However, there is a large number of us who have moved beyond any such sectarian grounding.

    The collapse of scientific materialism would add considerable urgency to their spiritual quest, and open them up to an eschatological perspective.  
    …………


    How many folks are aware that modernism is on the brink of major or unprecedented paradigm shift?

    ……. that we are in the midst of an unprecedented degree of social uncertainty and confusion about the future?  

    Historically, science has provided us with a bulwark against such confusion and speculation.

    The ramparts of science, however, are looking rather weak, when arrayed against the social unrest that is manifesting on a global scale.  
    …………


    I have been lead to believe that there are like minded folks who are being kept apprised of what is potentially an eschatological situation, and who are aware of efforts such as this to attempt to make sense of our situation……. even as from a cosmic perspective.  

    Back in 2015, I was told that there was a designated group of individuals who were tasked to keep track of the social vectors that are the most important predictors of social change.

    These vectors were indicating a convergence of such factors leading up to the 2016 election.  

    The convergence was such that it was impossible to extrapolate beyond 09/2016.  

    Since then, I have received no updates.  

    Perhaps we are overdue for an update.
    ………


    I can provide a bit more detail……..

    Information concerning the individual ‘vectors’ was maintained siloed, or individually compartmented.  

    My informant was a member of a group that was granted general access to the overall information.  

    Only through them was general information such as ‘convergence’ being disseminated.  
    ………….


    Anyone who finds themselves unable to address this topic outside of a particular sectarian box should not participate in this petition.  

    Yes, the views of the various spiritual traditions have every right to be taken as part of a shared data set, but certainly not to the exclusion of ample non sectarian data.  

    In particular, I feel that there is much ontological/metaphysical information that should play a significant role in determining our eschatological understanding.  

    But how many of us have a significant background in metaphysics/ontology?  

    That fact may severely limit the usefulness of any such petition.
    ……….


    But, yes, it is doubtful that anything as perfunctory as a petition could have any impact on anything as holistic as a worldview.

    Any amount of individual anomalous incidents is not likely to lead to a paradigm shift, unless there exists a new and relevant paradigm that already has some minimal basis of acceptance.

    Short of an actual apocalyptic event, it would be very difficult to arrange for any significant public discussion of such a hypothetical.  

    Are we now back to square one?  

    We can only wait patiently for the hypothetical opening to take place.  

    Some globally observable anomalous celestial phenomenon would be the only viable alternative.  

    If I’m correct in assessing a background of apocalyptic expectations, we are liable to be witnessing a continued increase in socially disruptive behavior and/or support for individuals who are seen to be able provoke such behavior.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:41 am

    Consciousness is the "ONE".

    And it spins in an eternal chase.

    That chase causes time, as such, and glitches in time at intersections of the chase.

    December the 21st is a such regular intersection , but far larger such will cause ripples in time that will cause vast local alterations or resets.

    nothing exists except as local memory, there is no time or gravity, these are all consequences of the eternal chase of consciousness, and too much of the duality of spin creates memory loss.

    There is resistance to this locally and volcanoes and so called earthquakes are consequences.

    An earthquake is a fractional slip in memory called time, a volcano is a resistance to an overload of outrush from the heart centre of Earth causing local heat.


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    Post by dan Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 am

    But there are other ways to get attention…….

    Early into my forays, I attended a luncheon of several officials, and at least two of us, outsiders.  I was introduced to one of the officers.

    I was later told that this individual had gone missing on backpacking trip.

    When he was located and his backpack recovered, it contained some sort of message that…… ‘set off alarms all over DC.’  

    It’s likely that the message bore some relation to the topic at hand.  

    Yes, with institutions, there is more than one way to gain attention without alerting the general public.
    ………..


    hobbit,

    You treat consciousness as if it were part of the furniture 🪑…… as if it were something meteorological.

    This couldn’t be further from the truth.  

    You are putting matter over mind, but the actual situation is just the reverse.  

    You really ought to google immaterialism.

    You might learn of a whole new way to think about the world.  

    The world is a highly crafted illusion, the best possible one, crafted sub specie aeternitatis.  

    This Metanarrative, in which we reside, is a crucial part of the best possible world (BPW), but it is only one part.  

    We are about to have our close encounter with the Omega/Eschaton.

    That is the point at which we become homeward bound.

    Who are we….. from whence do we come…… whither do we go?

    We are the co-Creators.

    We come from the Source/I Am…… we return to the Source.

    Every one of us is fated to become one with the One.



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    Consciousness is mind, matter is consciousness concentrated into 3D.

    "Shown the hereafter"

    https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/4.htm

    The sea of crystal is universe, it's perfectly packed, it's faces are the dimensions, consciousness permeates all dimensions, especially on the cross of polarity and equator, the four faces flowing both ways ( phase conjugate) at once ( eyes front and back).

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    Post by dan Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:33 am

    ‘Permeate’ is not in the vocabulary of the immaterialist.

    We are talking ‘mind only’.  

    This would be mainstream Buddhism ☸.  

    This is radical monism.



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