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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by painterdoug Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:19 pm

    All very interesting Dan, Im following along, and more to come Im sure.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:32 pm

    So, in the meantime, we carry on……..

    How do we avoid any fistfights at the Ok Corral?  

    We just think through the options.  

    Don’t they have all the options?

    Do we have any?  

    That may depend on what we mean by them and us.  

    With personalism, there’s not going to be any chasms.

    We have met the ‘enemy’, and they are us.  

    Did God have any choice in creating the best possible world 🌎…… or the best possible Eschaton?  

    I reckon that it was precious little.

    Our main choice is how we choose to experience the best possible Eschaton.  

    Will we ever want to look back?  

    That is not recommended.

    I don’t think we’d want to come back, without having a long swim in the River Lethe.  

    Hey, we’ll have all Eternity for swimming in the River Lethe.



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    Post by Mr. Janus Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:51 am

    I'd bet Ron and Eric would have a good time shootin the shit 😈


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    Post by dan Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:01 am

    Mr J,

    Doubtful!

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    Post by dan Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:39 pm

    Yes, I can see why so many of us, moderns, have been sold on physicalism/objectivism.

    The world is filled with objects that have been measured very precisely.  

    But, right from the start, we’re immersed in numerics.  

    To what extent are numbers objective?  

    Numbers are not objects…… they are concepts.  

    How many of us are aware that there are two kinds of numbers…… ordinal and cardinal?  

    These designations have to with the ontological status of a particular number.  

    I dare say that this difference is largely subjective.

    In order to count anything, the things have to be defined….. another exercise in subjectivity.

    Let’s face it, objectivism requires a great deal verbal agreement……. agreements of a rather arbitrary nature.  

    If you are under the illusion that objectivism might be objectively defined, just take a glance at the Wikipedia article.

    And now go back to designation of natural numbers. Could we really imagine anything more unnatural than a number?

    I started out trying to categorize us, moderns, as physicalists. But what the heck does a physicalist believe?

    It is a rather broad spectrum…… especially considering the fact that very few moderns have ever taken any physics.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:00 pm

    Dan and his friends are muppets.

    We wouldn’t get along at all.

    They are old and closed.

    They are looking in the wrong places.

    The number1 issue is not disclosure, it’s the climate.

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    Post by painterdoug Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:10 pm

    Climate? wow! really drank the Klaus Kool aid.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:37 pm

    It’s obvious to even the slightly intelligent.

    All the political and disclosure nonsense is just a smoke screen to keep people from rioting over the hell Mother Nature is unleashing on us.

    Capitalism is dead and what’s comin ain’t gonna be much fun.

    Degrowth and rationing is our only way forward in my view.

    How is that right wing mind virus doin ya Wink

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    Post by painterdoug Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:50 pm

    I suppose Mother Nature never released any hell before like Pompeii?

    how are those polluting EV's doing wearing thru tires at great neck speed? Mining minerals with diesel drinking earth diggers, and child labor and all the Davos crowd going to Green summits in their private jets?
    And they aint eating crickets. Its the best beef and booze they can get.

    you will own nothing and well, we will own it all instead.

    Im all for smart living, conservation and common sense, but this movement is a con

    they dont give a rats a-- about people.

    anyhow bunny, always love chatting

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:12 pm

    Always a pleasure.

    There is a terrible imbalance atm we have caused on earth.

    We have caused a metabolic imbalance, same as most of the US getting Diabetes from their metabolic syndromes.

    Our insane religions and capitalism has about done the earth in.

    Dan’s ready to say lights out.

    I say, not so fast.

    I’m not talking about Davos or globalist climate initiatives.

    Of course the elites care for no one, only threats to their power, which is the only reason the CIA exists, not to protect us, to protect their interests.

    I’m talking about teaching us how to grow our food local again.

    Our world is upside down.

    We consume and make way beyond what we should have.

    The UFO myths have arisen out of this deep metabolic rift between us and nature.

    Now we are paying the price.

    The water wars are already happening.

    Us children pay the price for the baby boomers destroying the earth.

    You guys will be gone soon, then we will try to clean up the mess.

    Dan will delete all our nonsense.

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    Post by dan Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:42 am

    Speaking of objects, the number one object for many of us might be the Sun, but the Sun is a very dynamic system, extending far out into space.  Consider the solar system.  

    Perhaps the Moon is a more easily definable object……. or the Earth, for that matter.  

    But the Moon has been many things, for many people.  Its alleged objectivity is encrusted with endless layers of subjectivity.  

    But isn’t it the task of science to set aside all that subjectivity?  

    But what would the Moon be, shorn of its astronomical context?

    What is the Moon without Moonshine…… and what is Moonshine without us, story tellers?  

    The Earth?  Do we even want to go there?  

    Then we have physical objects and philosophical objects…….

    A physical object is necessarily singular and identifiable.  

    Identity theory is a philosophical can of worms.  

    In what sense might an elementary particle be considered an object?  

    In what sense then might physics be used as a basis for objectivity?  

    Every special science has its own, idiosyncratic, constantly shifting, typology of objects.  

    Personalism suggests that persons are the ultimate objects.  

    I’m an ontological and epistemological personalist, but a person hardly exists outside of a social and historical context.  

    Certainly, we are the ultimate identitifiers.  

    Persons, in given context, are the ultimate observers and recorders.

    But what is the minimal context for an observation?  

    That all depends…….

    As a wholist monist (holy moly!), I strongly believe that nothing can exist outside of the best possible holy moly context……. accept no substitutes!  

    Every observation must be embedded in a cosmic ‘We Are’.

    A Multiverse?  Sorry, forget it!  

    Pleiadians………?  I would ascribe a greater ontic status to Unicorns 🦄…… they even have their own icon!  

    Get over it….. get used to it…… the Gang is all here…… with the exception of a few visitors, and our dear departed.  

    Did I forget to mention God?

    There is that of God in every one of us!

    And, in the end, there is only one…. or two or three of us.



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    Post by Mr. Janus Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:31 pm

    painterdoug wrote:I suppose Mother Nature never released any hell before like Pompeii?

    how are those polluting EV's doing wearing thru tires at great neck speed? Mining minerals with diesel drinking earth diggers, and child labor and all the Davos crowd going to Green summits in their private jets?
    And they aint eating crickets.  Its the best beef and booze they can get.

    you will own nothing and well, we will own it all instead.  

    Im all for smart living, conservation and common sense, but this movement is a con

    they dont give a rats a-- about people.

    anyhow bunny, always love chatting


    Doug, why don't you believe in climate change?


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    Post by dan Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:48 am

    According to personalism, we are the co-Creators of Creation.  

    Does this mean that we created ourselves?

    In short……. yes.  

    Well……. in the beginning was the Word, or the seminal Logos.  

    I suggest that the seminal logos is love.  

    Agape is at the heart of Pratityasamutpada.  

    Pratityasamutpada is Agape…….. is the singular unity of Creation.  

    The singularity is that we create each other through love…… the primordial bootstrap.  

    No phenomenon is a real phenomenon, unless it is observed.

    In the beginning, this observation is mutual.  

    Truth is born of this mutuality……. the ultimate truth being love…… is what makes Creation go around.

    The harmony of the spheres is this…….. is coherence.  

    And what is coherence?  

    It is that for which we strive……. more than for life itself.

    Who are we…… from whence do we come…. whither do we go?  

    Are we lost in space and time…… or not?

    As ultimately we become one with the One…… then will we know ourselves for the first time…… then will the circle have been completed.  

    “Will the circle be unbroken
    By and by Lord, by and by……?”

    Is there anything else we have to hope for?

    Does anyone have a clue to the contrary?  

    Science, at its conception, claimed to have broken the circle.

    Science possesses an impressive degree of coherence…… enough coherence to keep our best and brightest enthralled for centuries.  

    Behind all that coherence, however, lies the cosmic abyss that we strive so mightily to conquer with our equations and our rockets.  

    Coherence may not lie amongst the stars.

    It may lie in our hearts.

    Love may be both the harbor and the veil of Truth.  

    Love may be the harbinger of Truth.  

    That is our only hope.  

    We see intimations of coherence……

    We usually manage to stumble over them.

    The Multiverse hypothesis is one such stumble.  

    A mighty one…….. but muted are the complaints.  

    Folks know, deep in their hearts, that with Truth will come the consequences……. and that those consequences will necessarily be of biblical proportions.

    Who, in their right mind, would not want to kick that can down the road?  

    And kick it we sure do!  

    ChatGPT/LLM is only the latest rendition……. kill it before it multiplies….. and inherits the Earth!!  

    We put on our google goggles and trip onwards through the tulips 💐.  

    Do we laugh or cry?  
    ……………



    It seems that we’re just waiting for someone like chick 🐣 to start chirping on YouTube.

    Well, how different can the Truth be presented……. can it be any less…. can it be any more?

    Yes, a portal or two might sure come in handy.



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    Post by dan Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:25 am

    So where and how should we start the discussion as to why we are here.  

    There are limits as to how much of a discussion any one person can have with themselves.  

    So, yes, I am looking for a partner in conversation.  

    And, yes, one does come to mind, believe it or not!
    ……….  


    In the meantime, the complementary question has arisen as to why Nature.  

    The implication is that Nature might not be natural!

    Let’s look at naturalism…… as a starter…….
    According to naturalism, the causes of all phenomena are to be found within the universe and not transcendental factors beyond it.
    Well, this is a mouthful…..

    Pantheism is all about the leveling of the transcendent.

    It has similarities to vitalism and panpsychism.  

    Panpsychism begs the question as to the cosmic psyche.  

    Panpsychism serves one main purpose……. how best to kick the can of immaterialism down the road.  

    Immaterialism, by the way, is another term for idealism……. trying to be a little less anthropocentric.  

    But how are transcendental and transpersonal related?  

    Consider the difference between theism and deism, for instance.  
    ……..  


    I want to point you to anti-realism as another name for immaterialism.

    Also see philosophical skepticism.

    It should be embarrassing as to how names philosophers have for immaterialism……. all in an effort to circumvent the Eschaton.

    Good work, guys and gals…… but time is getting short.  

    How about a little Disclosure?  
    ……….


    Here’s something you might like to watch…… Atom: The Illusion Of Reality (Jim Al-Khalili).  

    He gets tantalizingly close to the big question that the measurement problem points to……. where do we fit into the big picture?  

    How many thousands of us are circling around the big question?  

    The big question only points us to the Eschaton…….. this no-man’s land can only keep shrinking.  

    It would not take much of a portal to pop the balloon 🎈 of objectivism.

    Then the concept of wokeness might take on a whole new meaning.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:49 am

    I like it best when you speak of Love Dan.

    It is the only thing relevant in life I feel.

    The lovers know what I mean.

    Kahlil Gibran - On Love wrote:On Love

    BY KAHLIL GIBRAN

    Then said Almitra, Speak to us of Love.
    And he raised his head and looked upon
    the people, and there fell a stillness upon
    them. And with a great voice he said:
    When love beckons to you, follow him,
    Though his ways are hard and steep.
    And when his wings enfold you yield to
    him,
    Though the sword hidden among his
    pinions may wound you.
    And when he speaks to you believe in
    him,
    Though his voice may shatter your dreams
    as the north wind lays waste the garden.

    For even as love crowns you so shall he
    crucify you. Even as he is for your growth
    so is he for your pruning.
    Even as he ascends to your height and
    caresses your tenderest branches that quiver
    in the sun,
    So shall he descend to your roots and
    shake them in their clinging to the earth.

    Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto
    himself.
    He threshes you to make you naked.
    He sifts you to free you from your husks.
    He grinds you to whiteness.
    He kneads you until you are pliant;
    And then he assigns you to his sacred
    fire, that you may become sacred bread for
    God’s sacred feast.

    All these things shall love do unto you
    that you may know the secrets of your
    heart, and in that knowledge become a
    fragment of Life’s heart.

    But if in your fear you would seek only
    love’s peace and love’s pleasure,
    Then it is better for you that you cover
    your nakedness and pass out of love’s
    threshing-floor,
    Into the seasonless world where you
    shall laugh, but not all of your laughter,
    and weep, but not all of your tears.

    Love gives naught but itself and takes
    naught but from itself.
    Love possesses not nor would it be
    possessed;
    For love is sufficient unto love.

    When you love you should not say,
    “God is in my heart,” but rather, “I am
    in the heart of God.”
    And think not you can direct the course
    of love, for love, if it finds you worthy,
    directs your course.

    Love has no other desire but to fulfil
    itself.
    But if you love and must needs have
    desires, let these be your desires:
    To melt and be like a running brook
    that sings its melody to the night.
    To know the pain of too much tenderness.
    To be wounded by your own under-
    standing of love;
    And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
    To wake at dawn with a winged heart
    and give thanks for another day of loving;
    To rest at the noon hour and meditate
    love’s ecstasy;
    To return home at eventide with grati-
    tude;
    And then to sleep with a prayer for the
    beloved in your heart and a song of praise
    upon your lips.
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:03 am

    My attention has been called to Josef van Ess…….

    Joe says Islam is better than Christianity, because Islam focuses on reason, while Christianity focuses on faith.  

    He has a point….. up to a point……

    What is the ultimate reason, and what is the ultimate faith.

    Well, sports fans, the ultimate reason and ultimate faith are the same.  

    They can be nothing other than love 💗.  

    Christians understand that last statement just a little better than Muslims.  

    Christians put ultimate faith in love.

    Muslims put ultimate faith in God.

    Therein lies all the difference in the world.  

    Therefore Christians believe in the ultimate efficacy of love……. well, sports fans, they are supposed to!

    We, Jesus freaks, are given the freedom to believe in the ultimate efficacy love.  

    And that, my friends is all the freedom in the world.  

    That is the ultimate Truth.  

    And that is why chick 🐣 is here, with three, to demonstrate that.

    Yes, three has got a brand new pair of roller skates 🛼.  

    chick has the key 🔑……..
    In former generations this mystery was not made known to humankind, as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit: that is, the Gentiles have become fellow heirs, members of the same body, and sharers in the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel……. Although I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given to me to bring to the Gentiles the news of the boundless riches of Christ, and to make everyone see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in [or by] God who created all things.
    Paul, bless his heart, may have been jumping the gun…… by about 2,000 years……. chick 🐣.  Then along came the Anthropic Principle, etc………
    ……….

    I rode my bicycle past your window last night
    I roller-skated to your door at daylight
    It almost seems like you're avoiding me
    I'm okay alone, but you've got something I need




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    Post by dan Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:56 am

    three believes that she can walk away from the Truth.

    Two knows better, at least for his own account.

    They each have ‘teams’ that they report to…….. presumably separately.

    chick knows of none such.  

    How far can three walk, away?  

    Probably she can walk as far as a Reunion.  

    Can she walk away from cosmic love?

    It’s doubtful.

    At the Opening, her team sees to turn us into zombies.  

    Hmmm……… it sounds like the Rapture.  

    Where does the Truth come in?  

    On which side of the portal?  

    Maybe it’s only on the other side.  
    ……….

    Ok, ____ , I simply accept whatever is your role in the Opening.

    I can keep my opinions to myself and/or the blog.  

    I would be there just to absorb what information I can.  

    May we please continue, ____?
    ……..


    There will be up to eleven guests at the reunion.

    Most of them will have been known from other realms.

    The meeting will require considerable preparation on her part.



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    Post by dan Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:29 am

    There are phenomena.  

    Are there noumena?  
    ……….


    A phenomenon is an appearance.  

    According to Kant, there can’t be an appearance without something that appears.

    The appearances must be grounded in something.  

    The something that does not itself appear is what Kant refers to as the thing-in-itself or noumenon.  
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    Berkeley’s ‘master argument’ goes to the effect that mind independent objects cannot exist because they cannot be conceived.



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    Post by dan Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:02 am

    What appears to us is the Narrative.  

    The Narrative is filled with actors and props.

    No, the Narrative doesn’t appear to us, does it?

    It’s just the actors and props that appear.  

    We try to infer the Narrative.

    The Narrative is only Revealed at the End.  

    Recall that the Omega is a false summit……

    We skirt the Omega so as to get flung back to the Alpha.  

    The Narrative is a closed loop.

    The entanglement implied by this closed loop is the cosmic thing in itself, as Kant might say.

    This is the cosmic object.  

    It is also the cosmic Self…… of which we all partake.  

    That is too parochial……. everything partakes of the Cosmic Self.  

    And poor Imminy, no wonder he had to struggle with the Thing In Itself……… it was everything squared……. in an infinite loop…… okay, a double loop.  

    It’s just another way to say that everything is a microcosm…… with 10^10 perspectives.

    Yes, ours is the Holographic Universe (Michael Talbot(1953-‘92), 1991).  

    Ok, and the seminal word is rather holographic and wholistic.

    And the lowly atom is the epitome of the seminal…… with all its entanglements.

    The Anthropic Principle just has to be contracted in space and time to conform to the best possible Metanarrative.  

    All the rest is background.

    We, persons, are atoms ⚛ on steroids…….. everything, and the kitchen sink is heaped into us, collectively.

    So, how do the portals work?  

    They work right on time……. With a little help from the Princess.  

    The portals complement persons&atoms…… in some holographic sense.  

    We’d better have more to say on that…… before the cows 🐄 come home.  

    So, Berkeley and Kant both end up being correct.

    God is the cosmic thing in itself, personified, more or less……. with whom we’re about to have a close encounter!



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    Post by dan Tue Apr 23, 2024 8:20 am

    Early on, Kant was accused of just being another phenomenalist like George Berkeley.  

    His response was to emphasize his notion of the thing-in-itself.

    It is not clear what is the ontology of the TII.
    ……….


    My first question to Immani would be……. to what degree the mathematical understanding of particle physics might serve to corroborate his own notion of the TII?

    Here we would have to set aside his insistence that we would not be able to conceive of an actual TII.

    Certainly, no one in his day could have conceived of the standard (mathematical) model of particle physics.  

    The next question we have to ask ourselves is whether the Standard Model ensures the objectivity of matter.

    Does the Standard Model render the small world hypothesis problematic?  

    The universality of physics, on the face of it, does seem to argue against a geocentric view.

    This universality is the center piece of modern, Big Bang ❗, cosmology.

    How could a small world aficionado hope to save the big world appearances?



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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:53 am

    The only way to save the appearances is to go all out for holography.  

    When you go all out for holography, you will understand why Michael Talbot had to be gay and Jesus had to be celibate.  

    Was the jguy an incel?  I would suggest that it would be damned doubtful.

    Tennyson was going all out for holography when, in 1863, he composed “Flower in the Crannied Wall” at Waggoner’s Well……
    …… but if I could understand
    What you are, root and all, and all in all,
    I should know what God and man is.

    A prequel to Tennyson was, of course, to be found in Blake (1803)……
    To see the world in a grain of sand
    And heaven in a wild flower
    Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
    And eternity in an hour.
    Any one of these folks could have been the SoT, including especially Mike.  

    Lucky stiffs!  They managed to avoid this terrible burden of being the Eschatoner.

    Someone had to be the former friend of the Princess.  

    You understand why, knowing everything about the electron and the Landscape theory, you would know the date of the Eschaton…… you would know the number of days between the jguy and the sguy…….. which number would have to include coming up with the Anthropic Principle.  

    So Immany K was right about our never being able to understand the TII, not until the very last day!  

    And we understand Eugene’s UEM, and John W’s only real phenomenon……

    Anything I don’t understand, I’ll just have to chalk up to the persnicketiness of the Princess.  

    And when she has her Reunion with the Others, they’ll just be telling her to go back and talk to the chick 🐣.  

    Does the chick know exactly when and how to open the portals?  

    No, but I know someone who does!  
    ………


    Ok, so the microcosmic entanglement of our phased array, holographic antennas is how it works.

    But you don’t need to know the technicalities if you understand Agape like our very own BBL……. who is just all agape…… bless his big bunny heart…… he doesn’t need to know when and how.  

    He doesn’t even have to know why!  

    Just know that the Logos = Love 💗.  

    There is that of God in every one of us.  

    Did the jguy know this?  

    He knew exactly what he needed to know….. exactly when he needed to know it.

    And so do all of us.

    So just follow the advice of BBL, unless you are curious…. yellow…… or George, for that matter.

    Any other questions?  

    Why is the sky blue?

    We physicists know how, but we don’t necessarily know why.

    But, no, we don’t actually know how.  

    Yes, we know about Rayleigh resonance scattering, but that only works if you believe in atoms ⚛.  

    If you are an immaterialist, you have to know that the Logos works through persons……. in that sense, we are more special than turtles 🐢……. especially in these Endtimes.  

    That’s what the Others will need to explain to the Princess.  

    I tried……. but who am I……. 🐣?  

    It’s sorta like……. Kenneth, what is the frequency.  

    They should have asked…….. Princess, what is the phase…… of your quantum array?  

    But that would have been the wrong 😑 time and the wrong 😑 place.  
    "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" is your Benzedrine, uh-huh
    I was brain-dead, locked out, numb, not up to speed
    I thought I'd pegged you an idiot's dream
    Tunnel vision from the outsider's screen

    You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
    I never understood the frequency, uh-huh
    You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh
    I couldn't understand
    ……..


    Yes, I’ve not been paying enough attention to the holographic paradigm.  

    That paradigm may be the royal road to Holy Moly or to wholism monism.  

    In string theory, the hologram is taken be a distant boundary…….. this idea coming from black hole 🕳️ thermodynamics.  

    In the small world, the hologram is taken to be inside our heads……. persons being the elements of the phased array.

    It’s JAW who first suggested…… it from bit.  

    Bekenstein refers to William Blake.
    ………


    I’m also reminded of David Bohm’s ‘Wholeness and the Implicate Order’ (1980).  

    My original problem with Bohm was that he took the Quantum too seriously, seeing it as the foundation of reality.  He seemed never to consider personalism.

    He went as far as considering the holonomic brain theory.



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    Post by dan Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:48 am

    So, okay, Bohm gets credit where credit is due.  

    Michael Talbot was rather less bound to the Quantum than was David.

    Not being the card carrying physicist, like David, he could take things further into the mystical, mythical dimension.  

    Both of them definitely shied away from the prophetic dimension.  

    The intelligentsia is housebroken away from that domain.  

    The priestly caste has its own territorial imperative…….. it would be unthinkable.  

    Instead, they are quite welcome to Tao land and Buddha land.

    It is their romper room……. and romp they do.  

    The closest they get to personalism is with Pribram’s holonomic brain theory.

    Of course, the quantum theory of mind is within spitting distance.  

    Yes, the holography folks do take consciousness seriously……. but not quite cosmically…… that would trespass on the Big Bang…….. and, perish the thought…… onto Charlie D, hisself!  

    Scientists like to say that the mind is epi-phenomenal to the brain…… we can return the favor….. in that the sky 🌌 is epi-phenomenal to the Earth…… thanks to Olber and Mach.  

    And the Earth is epi-phenomenal to us, thanks to the participatory/final anthropic principle of, you guessed it, JAW.  

    Yes, carrying on the Anthropic tradition is Frank Tipler, with his Teilhardian Omega Point threatening to steal the show from big bang.  

    Well, not really, not yet.  

    The MoAPS has yet to make the scene.  

    Frank takes the final Quantum observer to be our emerging Creator.

    Placing the I Am at a very distant end of time, Frank avoids the MoAPS, hovering on the horizon…… on every horizon.  
    ………  


    None of this, however, truly explains the portal phenomenon, or tells us what’s on the other side.  

    Yes, I came to embrace the Holy Moly (monistic wholism), personalism and the ultimately porous nature of reality, well before the advent of the R,A&D show.  

    BTW, I understand that two chicks 🐣 in the bush may worth one chick in the hand.  We can’t say that chick didn’t have a close encounter, nonetheless.  

    Yes, entangled portals came subsequently, in 2016.

    But never close enough to see the other side.

    Here I sit, still trying to work it out with a pencil ✏.  

    I sincerely doubt, however, that one size fits all……. and significant aspects of the phenomenon may simply be trans-verbal, as well as being transpersonal.  

    That won’t stop chick from trying, however.  

    The Rapture and/or the Wedding feast in the sky may be the best way to handle the logistics.  

    It’s not likely to be a DIY affair.  

    There would definitely be room for a zombie portage.

    Yes, there will be plenty of opportunity for sifting and sorting on the other side.

    If I were us, I’d be looking to getting my money’s worth……. on the other side.

    There will be plenty of opportunity for edification……. not to mention the best possible amount of recreation.  

    Trepidation?

    Hell fire and damnation?  

    Well, a little faith in the process will be called for.

    Will any of us not get to be one with the One?  

    Precious few.  You’d really have to work at it.

    Welcome to the best possible Eschaton…… this side of Eternity.  
    ………..  


    There is a lot of literature out there about altered states, and much of it is quite good…… imho.  

    There is the college of hard knocks….. there is tough love.  

    Get used to it….. get over it.  

    Being scared straight may not be the best choice of words, but we get the idea.  

    Did I hear someone say that eschatologists are not even a dime a dozen……. in these latter days.



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    Post by dan Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:18 am

    The other side tends to come off as rather more personal than this side……. when it is not bordering upon fractal art.  

    It stands to reason that the Earth, for its size, stands out amidst all regions.

    Amongst the outstanding features of the Earth is that it is the stage for the Metanarrative.

    I’m doubtful that any other domains could be characterized as planetary.

    Something like a Jurassic Park, for instance, would be more ad hoc, and would not have a cosmic context.



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    Post by dan Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:46 am

    Ok, sports fans, what’s the biggest challenge for an immaterialist?  

    Is it explaining a thunderstorm ⛈ or explaining a sperm bank?  

    And which is harder to explain…… a sperm bank or a crypto bank….. using entanglement…….. or just using atoms ⚛?  

    How much entanglement is there in crypto…….. with or without the atoms?  

    How much entanglement is there in an iPhone?

    Is it easier to understand with or without atoms?  

    Would you like to explain the iPhone without the Logos?  

    Are we beginning to understand that there may be metaphysical similarities between the internet and the unconscious?  

    The data centers are in each of our heads….. but remember that our heads are illusory.  

    Where is the Akashic record?  

    Are we looking 👀 at the Akashic record?

    Ours is the best possible simulation.  

    But, wait, simulations have data banks.

    So maybe the data is stored in the Agape record?

    The seeds of which are planted in us……. all 10^10 of us.

    By the way, fractals do have seeds.  

    The seed of the Mandelbrot is a single digit…… yes?

    But do keep in mind that an immaterialist doesn’t believe in numbers, either.  

    Numbers are amongst the most entangled things we know.  

    That’s what mathematics is about……. Fermat understood that better than most……. 3,4,5.  

    By reading up on Fermat/Wiles, we might begin to understand how entanglement works.  

    It works on all levels, kinda like Pratityasamutpada!  

    And how does Praty work?  

    How does the iPhone work?  

    Do we have to understand how Fermat works to understand how Jobs works?  

    Maybe 🤔 so.

    Did Steve understand that his redeemer lives?  

    I suspect……. better than most.  
    ……….


    Well, reading up on Lisa, Steve was a bit too smart to be a Jesus freak.

    We’ll give him a pass……. like all the rest of us!  

    I’m not sure if Steve could have picked up on physics or the Quantum.

    Look what happened to Billy G.

    There was a pretty narrow slot……. around 1977.  

    Princess should know that better than most.

    Did she not get the memo 📝?  

    It needs special delivery 🚚.  
    ……….


    What was Fermat able to intuit about 3,4&5?  

    He knew they were special, but what was the metaphysics?

    Was it connected to the Metanarrative?  

    Would Steve or Bill have cared?  

    Did it have anything to do with the Mandelbrot?  

    Could it have been unrelated to the trinity…….. alamagordo, calvary…… you name it!  

    But where were we?  

    It has to do with seeds and seminality.  

    I’d much rather have to explain the mind with the Logos than with atoms.  

    Well, I’m sure we could, but it might require a few extra detours.  

    Explain atoms with the mind…….. now we’re talkin’!  

    Once a few bars have been hummed, we’ll all be able to sing the tune.  

    That’s the beauty of holography.  

    That’s the beauty of the small world.

    Hmmm 🤔, should Pete’s last theorem have been the SWH?  

    Darn it…… the margin on this page 📄 is just too darn small!  

    Uh, oh, I got Pete’s theorem wrong…….. it’s not about 3, it’s about 2….. forgive me, Lord!  

    Wikipedia just makes me much too lazy!  

    It was Sophie Germain who laid the groundwork for Wiles.

    Let’s see if I got that right.  
    ………


    So, what is next?

    Is there any good way to intuit the logical necessity of atoms, beyond metabolism?  

    Was Leucippus something more than an astute observer?  

    What was his metaphysics?  

    His atoms came in infinitely many shapes.  

    He was a big world atheist.  

    He could see no for a finite number of forms.

    The one preserved fragment from Leucippus…… everything happens for a reason…….. Gottfried ran with that one.  

    In the same breath, he ruled out cosmic intelligence.  

    Leucci was basically telling the Eleatics to go suck……. on the void.  

    He was not about to get stuck with the One.  

    I agree that Parmenides is a bit hard to swallow…….. especially if you don’t appreciate Fermat……. there is only one number, and it’s not a number…….. three……. this is similar to the Jews holding up five a five fingered salute 🫡 at the Exodus.  

    I’m thinking that the gist here is that numbers are embedded in the Logos in a rather metaphysical manner.

    It has something to do with the Myth of Invariance……. I’ll bet.  

    Has anything been missed?
    ……….


    Since when did pure mathematics get to be personal?

    Is mathematics not as pure, as Platonic, as it is usually laid out to be?  

    One might take a look at https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intuitionism/#Phil for a more phenomenological view of mathematics.  

    Cantor is the bugbear of intuitionists.

    His infinity of infinities has some intuitive appeal……… it is intriguing.  

    Are transfinite numbers pantheistic?  

    The politics surrounding Cantor’s work suggests that mathematics should be considered a work of art……. not something written in stone.  

    In contrast to the strictly personal, small world, I think of the transpersonal, interpersonal regime as being, necessarily, trans finite.  

    Yes, there is that of the cosmic/transcendental in every one of us.

    Does this render God any less personal?  

    No, rather it renders love transcendental.

    Note bene that although folks are necessarily finite quantitatively, we are necessarily infinite qualitatively……. especially interpersonally.

    We are social beings at our cosmic core.  

    There is only one of us, after all…….. from the Source….. back to the Source!  

    Everything else is the best possible illusion.

    And what about that Source?

    We must keep in mind its co-dependency.  

    Isn’t 10^10 overdoing it?

    Strictly speaking, yes, but…….

    It’s a very big BUT when you take into account the whole shebang!  

    We are a work in progress, sub specie aeternitatis!  

    Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?  

    Of course, it is.  

    Peg it up to free will and agape.



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    Post by dan Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:57 am

    Ron understands that chick 🐣 might be a poi.  

    The princess does also, but she is very task oriented and does not have time for my philosophizing.

    Ron and Aliyah have their respective teams.  

    Aliyah’s is mostly off world, and she is working up to a rendezvous as early as the end of this month.  

    Ron’s assignment is to serve and watch after Aliyah, and to communicate with his counterparts in global intelligence…… and also to be my buddy when Princess allows it.  

    Me…….?  I got no team.  When not communicating with the royals, I spend my time communing with the Logos.

    The royal line is going to be a busy party line, leading up to the Rendezvous.

    I’m hopeful that communication will resume afterwards, but it has occurred to me that the line would have to be cut at some point.  

    And, folks, please don’t try to interfere in the workings of the BPW.  

    The last fellow who did was tracked down to a barn.

    If anyone has a responsibility to intervene, it would be chick.  

    I have rather more faith in the Princess’ task orientation than I do with my own.

    And do keep in mind, folks, that if you wanted to select dozen persons to run the world, you’d be much better off to start with the Boston phone directory than, say, with the Harvard Board of Overseers.

    Ok, if we have the administrative business out of the way, I’d much prefer to get back to philosophy……..

    What are we to make of the Trump phenomenon and the campus protests?  

    When I read in the nyt this morning, that only 2% of the CalPoly, Humboldt students are Jewish, I had to wonder…….

    Really!  And we needed to know that…… exactly why?  

    Yes, of course, it’s all part of the best possible news that’s fit to print.  

    And, yes, of any particular ‘ethnic’ group, the Jews have taken it upon themselves to maintain the Katechon, in these latter days.

    That’s not quite accurate……

    None of us has any free will…… not in any conventional sense.

    We have free will only sub specie aeternitatis……. and that’s not a whole lot!  

    Yes, Hamas is aligned with the Eschaton.  

    Netanyahu, in attempting to bomb 💣 the bejesus out of Hamas, is also aligning himself with the Eschaton.  

    He might as well put on a dynamite 🧨 vest.  

    IMHO, the rendezvous is coming none too soon.  

    But then, as a card carrying sissy, I’ve got little stomach for the Tribulation.  I would gladly leave that decision up to the likes of the Princess……. or the Jews, if they so desire.  

    Me…..?  I’m quite prepared to do the shuffle…….
    …………


    In the meantime, my instructions, straight from God, mind you, are to carry on, as if we had all the time in the world……..

    Hey, we’ve got at least 30 days.  

    Ok, should we worry about the appearance of stability in the world, despite the fact that it is all just a dream?

    For instance, the fine structure constant, alpha, is steady to about one part in 10^10.  

    What if it jiggled, and why doesn’t it?  

    Does that prove that this is not a dream?

    Well, I do like the coincidence of 10^10…….. that number is quite personal.

    It is pointing to the stability of our collective unconscious.



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