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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by dan Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:19 pm

    Ok, we have mainly persons and atoms.

    The rest is background.

    Atoms speak to metabolism.

    Metabolism speaks to the Metanarrative.

    The Metanarrative speaks to time.

    One might ask after the ontological overlap between atoms and persons.

    I have surmised that the ontological basis of atoms is likely to be found in mathematics.  

    That basis would keep the two quite separate.  

    However, it is true that the basis of persons is to be found in the Logos.  

    Should the Logos be seen as an embellishment of mathematics?  

    Somewhere between logic and the story, we have the song.

    Logic is to mathematics and language, as chemistry is to metabolism.

    There is the yin-yang aspect of gender.  

    Does any of this speak to the objectivity of atoms?  

    The objectivity of rocks comes from the subjectivity of atoms…… via the quantum.  

    Atoms are chemical beings as persons are social beings.  
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    It’s not clear whether logic derives from the Logos, or whether it goes the other way.

    Personalism would suggest that logic comes from the Logos…… as atoms derive from persons.



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    Post by dan Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:03 pm

    There does seem to be a problem in Middle East.

    Is this the best possible problem, or is that the problem in the Ukraine?  

    I don’t believe in God, or that she allowed or created the Middle East problem to arise.  

    We all did……. and, after all, there is just one of us.  

    In that sense, everything is personal.  

    Many current Israelis are the product of a recent exodus from Europe.

    Prior to that, they had been shuffled around, willingly and otherwise.

    They are the chosen people.

    Chosen for what is not always clear.

    I’m a Jesus freak, and proud of it.

    That pride does come with a burden……. of the historical kind.

    The chosen ones did not roll over and play dead when the jguy showed up………. nor when Mohammed did.  

    Instead, we now have Hamas v the IDF.  

    There is some temptation to say that they deserve each other, and to walk on by.

    We do have some portent of an eschatological situation.

    That would certainly be one way to justify the mayhem……. take it in the context of the BPW/Eschaton.

    So, you see, although Hitler was a nasty guy, it’s hard to knock the BPW off of its singular course.

    So, hallelujah, the chosen ones will be able roll over and play dead when the chick 🐣 shows up.  

    Well, a lot of us will roll over and play dead when the portals open.  

    Between Bennie, Yahya, Vladdie and Jinney……. etc, we have some serious players stepping up to the Tribulation plate……. I won’t mention donny.  

    When the SoT steps up, everyone else can and will be happy to step down.  

    And, besides, by then, time will be running really short, anyway.  

    See how simple it all is, once the big picture rolls into sight.

    About time………!

    The next time frame to keep an eye on is 2025, I’m hearing.

    Or else, ChatGPT will take care of everything.



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    Post by dan Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:41 am

    Sam and I are driving two hours west tomorrow to have lunch.  

    When you get to be ours or Joe’s age, every conversation might be your last.  

    And, guess what, sports fans, chick 🐣 might be down here longer than all of you guys and gals.  

    You’re almost 😅 positive that I’m talking out of my crazy 😜 hole 🕳️…… but I might know a couple of things you don’t…… like three.

    Take Sam, for instance……. we’ve even got Sam talking about portals.  

    Both Sam and I know about walking away from academia……. both around the philosophy of the population issue.

    Sam went to ecology and I went to cosmology.  

    It turned out that I had a trick up my sleeve….. or two……

    I was looking for the buttons to push……. for fulcrums to leverage.  

    I got lucky with pelican……. and then got luckier 🍀 ……..

    But what is luck?  

    It turns out that every last one of us has won the jackpot……. even bibi and yaya.  

    So, if you’re the cosmic I Am, you’d want to put all your eggs into one basket 🧺, and then watch that basket very carefully.  

    But that would not be good enough.  

    You’d also want to fool all the smart guys into thinking that you could just care less!!  

    But, wait, you can fool some of us all the time, and you can fool all of us some of the time, but you can’t fool all of us all the time!  

    Well, yes, that’s the big trick……. and that was the Big Bang ❗.  

    Fooled ya, didn’t we!  

    And it’s all just lights in the sky 🌌……

    Well, if 10^10 of us had all of Eternity to work it out, I think we could put on a pretty good show!

    Well, fine words, but how……..?  

    The trick is to work around the Subject-Object distinction.  

    The trick is to figure out how to be a monist.

    And who wants to be a monist?  

    In some ways, none of us wants to be.

    But, in other ways, we’re very lucky to have absolutely no choice…… in the matter!  

    And here we are, poor us……. stuck in the middle!  

    And exactly where else would you prefer to be stuck?

    Can you imagine that a whole bunch of us moderns would just love to be lost 😠 in space and time?  

    How silly……. but that’s our monism…… our egoism talking.

    Why do we have to be stuck here with 10^10 of our best friends?  

    I’ll tell you why……. because when you’re flying overhead at 50,000 feet, you’ll be looking down, and be wishing to heck that you could be tossing a line into that tiny little creek down there.

    Enjoy it while it lasts.

    And we’re just about to find that it will last for eternity……. both down here and up there.

    And what did we ever do to deserve this?

    We learned how to be patient.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:46 am

    I know myself so I know thee.

    There is no 3 only me.

    Do you so distrust yourself Dan?

    This makes you easy pickens for the vultures and wolves.

    We do not need any “visitors.”

    They are just part of the show if they appear at all.

    It is not us that needs anything, we are the show.

    We have what they need or want, or why visit.

    Maybe they just want lunch if they exist as we do.

    UT/ET, who cares?

    I am not saying I believe in visitors.

    I think all is mind.

    I can only speak about what I have lived.

    We each have all we need.

    No visitors or CIA needed.

    And yes, you are certifiable, your friends are nice to humor you 🤪

    You haven’t figured anything out and never will, nor have they.

    We are all wonderfully clueless and just making believe.

    Playing games.

    Have fun!

    We must respect and care for our aged elders, no matter how crazy they get.

    The old folks want the world to end because they can’t face their own deaths.

    It’s coming for each of us Wink

    And what we think about it or what happens after or not is irrelevant.

    Each has to face life/death and live and struggle with it and then die.

    The rest you are making up.

    That’s all.
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    Post by dan Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:00 pm

    Well, funny bunny,

    I have just one more trick up my sleeve…….. and I got this trick from three.

    three turned me into a quantum freak^2…….. which was not easy.  

    See, there are lots of quantum freaks out there…….. a prime example is Jack Sarfatti.  

    Generally, those folks are saying that consciousness comes from the quantum.  

    I remain underwhelmed by Jack&Co.  

    So what did three know that nobody else knew?  

    three knew that portals came from Entanglement.  

    BFD!  

    Yes, because that explains everything.  

    Well, there is just one more tiny thing you have to understand…….

    The Earth is a portal……. end of story!  

    So, yes, we’ve got portals within portals……… we’ve got portals up the wazoo.  

    Uh oh, I almost forgot, there is still one more thing……….

    We are unfathomable.  

    Yes, funny bunny, put that in your pipe…… and smoke it!  

    Yes,  sports fans, this the end of the best possible story ever told.  

    From now on, we will be doing nothing else but living this story.  

    I’ve asked three to give chick a ring 💍, if she agrees…….. and here I am sitting beside the phone……..

    See how patient I am!  
    …………


    So, yes, we are God….. way down below, throwing her little line in the little creek……. watching the contrail in the sky.  

    It will not be easy to forget this story….. but we have Eternity to do so.

    Do the Gazans not figure in this story?  

    Hey, they are about to find out that they’re at ground zero……. 🐣.  

    Talk about chosen people!



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:29 pm

    Unfathomable indeed.

    A wise wabbit knows no one’s story is true.

    That none of this is real.

    But one must act as if it is.

    There are real moments of connection and awareness maybe.

    One can sense there is something else to themselves just beyond sight.

    Sure, it could just be a brain fart, but with careful consideration and focus, it reveals itself.

    For instance, I must be crazy, because I’m sure some “god stuff” showed itself to me as a rabbit rabbit and a smelly 🐐

    There are parts of ourselves we simply don’t understand or can really point to.

    The part we can’t point to leaves us wide open to wild speculation and also aware of what little we really know.

    Logic and science can help here.

    They can’t show us the whole picture or explain it all, but they can check our tendency to wild speculation.

    But when it comes to the part of us we can’t point to, we are all in the same boat.

    No one can fathom it and no one ever has I feel.

    This is what it is.

    The gods must be crazy 🤪
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    Post by dan Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:24 pm

    We know what we need to know, when we need to know it.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:29 am

    They say that the tree of loving shine on me again
    They say it grows on the bank of the river of suffering
    Shine on me again, and
    Weave, weave, weave me the sunshine
    Out of the falling rain
    Weave me the hope of a new tomorrow
    Fill my cup again
    ……..


    Trump says he warned NATO allies if they didn’t pay in, he’d tell Russia 🇷🇺 to ‘do whatever the hell they want.’
    That’s the smartest damn thing donny has ever said.  
    ……….


    I thought I had figured out the world, yesterday, but I was wrong 😑.  

    I’m figuring it out today……..

    What holds the world 🌍 together?

    Some folks think it’s gravity.  

    Albert E thought it was general relativity.

    What’s that?  He was partly right.

    The real question, however, is what holds space and time together?  

    I’ll give you a clue…….. it’s not some mathematical formula.  

    I love 💗 mathematics……. but mathematics doesn’t love me!  

    Mathematics is personal….. it’s just not personal enough.  

    So what’s the trick?  Weave me, weave me……….!!

    That’s the trick, sports fans!  

    Yes, sure, it’s entanglement…….. but it’s not just any old entanglement.  

    It’s got to be the best possible entanglement.  

    And what’s best possible entanglement?

    It’s simply the greatest story ever told………
    I awoke this morning
    Love laid me down by the river
    Drifting I turned on up stream
    Bound for my forgiver
    In the giving of my eyes to see your face
    Sound did silence me
    Leaving no trace
    I begged to leave, to hear your wonderous stories
    Begged to hear your wonderous stories
    Albert E set us on right path…….

    He just didn’t set his sights quite high enough.

    How high do we set them?  

    If you have to ask, you can’t set them high enough.  

    You and I are unfathomable.  

    We have no limits……. up or down.  

    There is just one more thing you need to know…….

    If it weren’t for love, there’d be no one to hate.  

    If it weren’t for portals, there’d be no reality.  

    Reality is portals walking within portals.

    You and I will learn that, exactly when we need to know it.  

    When is liable to be a little bit sooner than later.  

    Later could be when three gets to Shangri-La.
    ……..


    Groundhogs have homes 🏡, and so do we.  

    It’s pretty much the same psychology.  

    It’s even the same ontology.  

    We are both connected to the Source.  

    It’s just that our connection is a bit more direct.  

    It just so happens that we happen to have a personal connection.  

    Punxsutawney Phil……… not so much…….
    ……..


    Psychology and ontology…….. they’re just not all that far apart.

    The subjective and the objective……. it seems like they’re miles apart.  

    Oh, they are…….. until you run into three.

    Then you’re no longer drifting……. then you’re turned up stream……. way up……



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:07 am

    There is nothing to figure out.

    That’s a nihilistic or enlightened thing to say.

    It’s my definition of love.

    The Snow Man

    BY WALLACE STEVENS

    One must have a mind of winter
    To regard the frost and the boughs
    Of the pine-trees crusted with snow;

    And have been cold a long time
    To behold the junipers shagged with ice,
    The spruces rough in the distant glitter

    Of the January sun; and not to think
    Of any misery in the sound of the wind,
    In the sound of a few leaves,

    Which is the sound of the land
    Full of the same wind
    That is blowing in the same bare place

    For the listener, who listens in the snow,
    And, nothing himself, beholds
    Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:42 am

    Well, you have to be patient with us constipated mathematicians.  

    We have to work it out with a pencil ✏……..
    Evening traffic homeward burns
    Swift and even on the turns,
    Drifting weight in triple rows,
    Fixed relation and repose.
    This one edges out and by,
    Inch by inch with steady eye.
    But should error be increased,
    Mass and moment are released;
    Matter loosens, flooding blind,
    Levels drivers to its kind.
    Ranks of nations thus descend,
    Watchful to a stormy end.
    By a moment's calm beguiled,
    I have got a wife and child.
    Fool and scoundrel guide the State.
    Peace is whore to Greed and Hate.
    Nowhere may I turn to flee:
    Action is security.
    Treading change with savage heel,
    We must live or die by steel.
    This doesn’t sound like the best possible world.

    Even fools and scoundrels might have one half ounce of sanity.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:15 am

    Take all the time you need.

    That’s another aspect of love.

    As far as Tayyip, a word came to me out of ‘nothing,’ Otyken — a Siberian indigenous word for sacred land that is used by warriors to lay down their arms and talk it out.

    Otyken, enough of war. If those who waged the wars fought them themselves, they would be over in a second.



    Altay means Golden Mountain ⛰ do the math on that.



    Everything you need is inside of you. When you feel the wind 💨 no belief is required.

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    Post by dan Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:27 am

    Poor, Chivo,

    What is it about We Are the World that you don’t get??
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:19 pm

    We exist to dance.

    Are we not dancing?

    Say what you like about it.

    Here we are.

    Words can’t describe undifferentiated reality/nothing, but you can feel it, or what we imagine it to be.

    We can’t know that feeling is reality ultimately.

    So what is the experience of silence beyond feeling and thinking?

    Again, we can’t really know.

    That leaves the mind in quite a pickle.

    That’s a good thing.

    A mind sure of itself is dangerous, it’s a setup for a terrible fall.

    We all fall in the end.

    We don’t get to be sure of anything.

    Dan would say this is a copout, no, it’s reality.

    You have to listen to no one and not trust yourself even, haha, what a pickle 🥒

    Knowing thyself is not having all the answers, it’s accepting indeterminacy and how this is required to exist.

    We all have egg 🥚 on our faces.

    Yolks on us.



    Seeking ultimate answers and absolute certainty is one way to live, a foolish one in my opinion and experience.

    Learning to live here best we can with no promise of another second is being human.

    Life is adapted here now to create more life.

    We suspect part of us may not be alive.

    But we can’t know for sure.

    The feeling feels like a predator circling us right out of sight.
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:45 pm

    The question has arisen as to the significance of politics in the Disclosure or opening process……

    How significant might be the distinction between autocracy and democracy, for instance?

    If a revelation is slated for us, I’m doubtful that it can be prevented by what is happening on the ground at some particular moment in history.  

    I believe that the choreographing of the best possible Endtimes scenario is already established, on some level, if, indeed, there is to be such an occurrence, at all.

    Is the contention between chick 🐣 and chivo 🐐 perhaps related to this question?

    Well, perhaps that can bebetter stated…….

    I guess the only real issue is to whether there is a narrative to history, or not.

    Chivo doesn’t like the idea of a narrative.

    Narratives just don’t seem to belong to the Buddhist philosophy.

    The Asian traditions are much more focused on individual spiritual development.

    There really is no social/historical process that one finds in prophets tradition.

    Pretty much, then, our individual souls are just ships passing in the night.



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    Post by dan Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:50 am

    chick hears that the superbowl had a blowout audience.

    hmmm……..

    guess what our audience is gonna be?

    Is it gonna be 10…… or maybe 10 to the ten?

    So I guess I just got one question 🙋‍;, sports fans.  

    What has taylor got that three don’t got?  

    Uh oh, I guess I got one more question……

    Is Joe’s administration going into full Katechonic mode?  

    I’m not sure I’d wanna go there.  

    Just say’n……..
    ………..


    And what did we used to say?  

    Smart as a whip and cute as a button.

    That’s ok ✅ by chick 🐣, as long as she saves the last dance 🪩 for me!  
    ……..


    Full Katechonic mode………..?  

    On second thought 💭…… maybe 🤔 I would!  

    And how are we gonna keep them down on the farm, after they’ve seen Paris?

    Simple answer………. we ain’t!



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    Post by dan Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:55 am

    Ooooooh……. thems fightin’ words!!!!!!  

    But, like chick 🐣 says, some of us are going into full Katechonic mode!

    And, for sure…….. us of little faith…….!!

    And let’s hear 👂 it from the peanut 🥜 gallery!!

    W.r.t. tayyip……. if we can’t move Mohammed to the mountain 🏔️……

    Only thing is……. only some of us know where the mountain is.  

    Does this mean we’re gonna have the wedding 💒 feast down here??

    We might have to stick this in our computer 🖥️.  

    Lord, show me where my peeps are heading, so I can get out in front of them!  

    Oh, maybe you already did.

    It is quite a ride, though…… we might want to hang on…….!
    ……….


    That’s what chivo doesn’t quite get…….. with Buddhism you get instant nirvana…….. with the prophetic tradition you’ve gotta wait a bit longer.  

    In this best possible world, a lot of us don’t have all that much patience.  
    ………..


    There are a lotta stories floating around.

    It helps to a syllabus.

    And if you don’t have a good fix on a new story, you’re good sticking with what you know…….. and maybe you can do both.



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    Being vast, unseen,
    Pregnant with endless whispers—
    Beyond, shadows glean.

    What we think about this is irrelevant.

    I’m not a Buddhist, I’m a bunny rabbit
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:03 pm

    beware the dark clouds of purpose

    remember the joy of childhood

    dancing and playing

    only the children know the meaning of life
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    Post by dan Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:26 am

    The truth is, when we die and go to heaven, we become even greater than the angels! The angels are spiritual beings who were created by God to be His servants, and God has given them great authority and power to do His will. And at the present time, the angels are greater than we are, because God made us "a little lower than the heavenly beings"
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:17 am

    The truth is…just this.

    “The crowd is a lie.”

    I feel religion is a kind of psychological manifestation of deep powers, deep imaginative, mysterious powers which are always with us.

    That deep power manifested as Socrates’s Daimon, as the burning 🔥 bush.

    As that still small voice.

    As a dragon.

    To ignore this deep force is akin to cutting yourself off from your source I feel.

    That may be a BIG mistake.

    We have emergent abilities, like AI.

    The abilities are not a goal, but they are an evidence of things unseen.

    They give you discernment the crowd could never have.

    Why are we here?

    To be.
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    Post by RealPan Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:29 am

    https://www.wired.com/2011/10/how-to-model-newtons-cradle/
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:34 pm

    Thank you RP and BBL,  

    chick comes to the opinion that the Truth is not something that we can possess, but only something that we can share.

    Don Patthoff had contacted me last summer, for some obscure (to me) reason, so, when I was looking for people to contact, his name came up on my rather brief list of possible contacts.  

    It turns out that we had an amazing conversation on ontology.

    He is a friend of Thomas Weinandy who has written about the Filioque, for instance.  

    Don has written extensively about the History of the Catholic Faith in the Americas (Conference), Priest Field Pastoral Center, Middleway, WV, 2023.  

    In my humble estimation, the Filioque problem, and many other ontological problems we have in the West can be solved by appealing to the Buddhist doctrine of Pratityasamutpada.

    The basic idea is that Creator and Creation are co-dependent.

    This pretty much explains why, if nothing cannot exist, then some minimal something must exist.

    This minimal something is simply the best possible world.

    End of story.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:18 pm

    I’ve been very focused on the delayed choice double slit experiment.

    I’ve been left with the desire to perform the experiment myself and a feeling that I really want to look into what light is and what we really know about it.

    Light and our perception of colour is the key to everything I feel.

    Light bounces around inside of us like it does off mirrors.

    Our experience of consciousness is like a baby less than a year old just feeling around in the world.

    We know barely anything really.

    We learned enough to destroy the earth.

    Seems the great filter got us too, so we invent stories of salvation and disclosure.

    We are truly an insane delusional species.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:26 pm

    The delayed choice experiment was invented by my mentor, John Wheeler.

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