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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    Post by dan Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:17 pm

    Chivo is not claiming to have found a better world.  

    Chivo seems rather content with this one.  

    He’s certainly not complaining.  

    I’m not complaining.

    Eric is enraged by language, or by language that hankers after Coherence.

    He’s enraged by theories.

    Does he want only the facts…….. or only poetry generated by AI poets.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:12 pm

    Mara is enraged…at the smile of Siddhartha.
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    Post by dan Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:18 am

    I’m suspecting that David Chalmers has done a disservice to Personhood by being so dismissive of what he calls the “easy problem”.  

    At one point, Chalmers was a hero of mine.  

    I’m now realizing that he is a materialist dressed in a metaphysical apron.  

    Perhaps he is a panpsychist with regard to sentience.  

    His so-called hard problem (of sentience) has distracted greatly from the vastly more significant issue of personalism.  

    The distinction between sapience and sentience means nothing to him.  

    I’ll wager that, in fact, David is an anti-Personalist.

    He is more effective in that role if he doesn’t advertise it.

    So, yes, I would give him a gold medal 🥇 in defending the Katechon.
    ……….  


    Now I’m wondering if, what started out as clever idea, might have morphed into a more deliberate strategy, as time passed.  

    Hey, David is giving us a reprieve from the Eschaton by focusing our attention on a side issue……. an issue that hews rather closely to modern cosmology and ontology.

    Many folks could take that as an act of heroism.
    ………….


    The problem of rationality overlaps with the problem of coherence, which is just one aspect of general intelligence.

    That none of these terms has come close to being defined ought to come as warning to those who think they might be susceptible to any sort of programatic understanding.



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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:06 pm

    In distinguishing the hard problem from the easy problem, David C managed, among many other things,  to ride roughshod over the problem of intentionality.

    This problem, and its corollaries, are, perhaps, the greatest definable obstacles in attempting to naturalize the mind.  

    Will we ever reach a point where the naturalists will be likely to admit defeat…… before the cows 🐄 come home?  

    Not likely.  

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    Post by dan Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:03 am

    What a few of us, folks, may not have grasped is that if we can’t naturalize the mind, we’re gonna have to mentalize nature.

    I’m guessing that David C came upon his ‘hard’ problem quite innocently.

    His ‘easy’ problem may not have been quite so innocent.  

    If you want to know what’s really going on, you just have to flip the easy with the hard.

    We’re flipping the gestalt switch…… in this case it’s the ontology switch.  

    We’ll just have to make up our minds…… is it matter over mind, or mind over matter?  

    But surely we, persons, are just an epiphenomenon on the Big Bang ❗.

    Ok, sure, if you don’t like the best possible (small/personal) world, you are welcome to your Big Bang ❗.  

    So, did we put the stars 🌟 up in the sky 🌌?  

    No.

    It’s more like we just hit ourselves over the head, and then we started seeing stars 🌟……. and all the rest of Nature!  

    The I Am got lonely and had a seminal dream……. the best possible seminal dream.  

    Yes, the Aboriginies talk about the Dreamtime……. but then we thought we woke up.  

    chick 🐣 thinks we thought wrong 😑!  

    But never fear 😧…… we’re just about to wake up!  

    I just wish that I could explain that to the Princess 👸.

    But, no, she’s supposed to brief chick 🐣, first.  

    But, not to worry, it’s all been written in the stars 🌌.  

    If that isn’t God’s Truth…… then I’m a monkey’s 🙉 uncle!  

    Or,…….  we can chalk it up to Pratityasamutpada…… mind and matter can get real cozy…….. old Bertie R called it Neutral Monism.

    chick 🐣 is just not quite as neutral as Bertie.  
    ………..


    You see, the problem with sentience is that there’s just not enough entanglement to hold a world together……. especially not the best possible world.  

    We need sapience if we want to really mix it up, while keeping things coherent.

    Sapience is about awareness……. all the noise about self-awareness is just another piece of distraction.

    Is a dog not aware of its master?  

    Yes and no.  

    I’m not holding my breath, waiting for the dogs 🐶 to revolt.

    Now, about those cats cat……. that’s another matter!!  

    Dogs don’t take it personally.  

    Maybe cats do…….. but I don’t think so.

    Dogs and cats just haven’t figured out the Cartesian Cogito.

    That’s a pretty big leap…….. ontologically speaking!  

    Has ChatGPT figured it out?  

    I’ll be expecting an email when it does!
    ……….


    Keep in mind that we’re not creatures.  

    We’re co-Creators.

    In fact, we’re finally about to realize that with our Coop arrangement, the whole notion of a Big Boss Man was just to keep us in our place……. making babies, etc………

    If all that entanglement went to our heads, we just might start figuring out about portals.

    That would just be a darn shame!  

    Isn’t that right, Princess…….. speaking of the Big Sister!  
    ………..  

    And speaking of the Cogito……..

    I think it’s more like……. we think, so we are!  

    I’m gonna have to brush up on my Latin.

    And the Cogitamus…… or whatever…… is really what ontology is all about……. Entanglement starts at home 🏡!  

    And if you happen to be entangled with a Princess…….. you’d better watch your p’s q’s!



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    Post by dan Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:04 am

    I’m thinking that we, atoms and currency are illusions, each in our own way.

    It has a little bit to do with with numerology……. an even littler bit to do with the way that astronomy and astrology are entangled.  



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    Post by dan Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:41 am

    We have met God and she is us…….. well, our higher selves, sub specie aeternitatis.  

    Our self revealing God is necessarily self concealing…….. sub specie naturalis.

    Ontology begins and ends……. either with persons or atoms.  

    Frankly, chick 🐣 prefers persons…….. and there never was a choice.  

    The Omega of our Metanarrative is necessarily going to be portalific…… as we return to being one with the One…….. knowing Ourself, our I Am, for the first time……. sub specie aeternitatis……… space and time being our primary illusions.

    There could not have been Nothing, so there had to be the best possible Something……. understanding that there ever was only really One of us.

    Would some of us like to have our money back……. well, we ain’t hardly seen nothing……. yet!  
    ………  


    Our best possible something is our best possible bootstrap……. sometimes under the guise of Pratityasamutpada……. Creator and Creation…… etc…..

    With our inter-personal sapience, we get the Logos for free….. and we get atoms, with the seminal Logos…… almost for free.



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    Post by RealPan Fri Mar 15, 2024 8:59 pm

    Shake the salt water out of your ears, for what you hear will give your tears.
    This universe has a set of gears, and they are cracking to bits from too many years.
    Time is UP, or is Time DOWN, when you learn it will be with a frown.
    There is no circle of time, but there is a circle in this rhyme.
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    Post by dan Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:55 am

    Mr J,

    Please stick to your own thread.
    ………..


    I wonder how many folks in these here precincts have any clue as to our alleged visitation situation?

    What you don’t know, in this situation is very likely not to be troublesome.

    In fact, consider any deficit in this regard to be a good fortune!



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    Post by dan Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:48 am

    Can Heaven wait?

    Cannot the Kingdom come……. here?

    It will be on Earth as it is in Heaven?

    Metabolism comes with (linear) time built in…… with birth and death.

    Haven’t we had enough of those……. 10^10?

    Something is afoot.

    It does sound like portals.

    Can we not tame the portals….. metabolize them…… capitalize them?

    It could be tempting…… having Disneyland in our backyards.

    Having a beer 🍻 with the jguy…… right here…… wouldn’t that count as the garden 🪴 of Eden?

    Well, I think we may have to mind our p’s&q’s.

    Time may be going around the Omega parahelion, but we still have to maintain a logical sequence, overall.



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    Post by GSB Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:50 am

    The core story is about personification: "the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something nonhuman, or the representation of an abstract quality in human form."

    The whole may inform the container, but the container cannot by definition contain the whole. The boundary is where we find the person. Sometimes the person may confuse the whole with the container! ;-)

    We may understand this better as we observe AI attaining personhood!



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    Post by dan Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:25 am

    Oh, boy, where has Gary been hanging out?

    Obviously, not around here.  

    Our cow 🐄 is dead…… we don’t need your bull, Gary.

    By definition, Gary, persons are microcosms.  

    We contain the universe, much more than it contains us.  

    Our best possible small world is inter-subjective.

    It is geocentric, anthropocentric and Christocentric.  

    I’ve done ✔ my time with ChatGPT.  I’ve been totally underwhelmed.  

    You believe in atoms ⚛.

    chick 🐣 believes in persons.

    It’s that simple.  

    Folks, with their LLMs, think it’s all about quantity.

    Computers came out of our minds.

    It’s not the other way around.  

    Atoms come from the Logos……. not the other way.  

    Yes, God has covered her tracks very skillfully…. with Nature.  
    ……..


    What I’m suggesting is that we, homesteaders, here on Earth, are getting a bit impatient with the mundane.  

    We do seek adventure……. we always want to know what’s over the next hill.  

    We’re running out of hills.

    We’re rattling the bars on our crib.

    Eternity beckons……..

    Is there love 💗 on the other side?  

    Here we have gravity to hold us together.

    On the other side, we have Agape.

    Guess what?  You may not be the only one who is skeptical about Agape.

    Well, ok, but don’t be too skeptical……. or you’ll just float off into the void…… Sunyatta…… Brahman….. Nirvana (vs Samsara)…… Buddhahood, etc……

    Can we put Shangri-La on steroids?

    Anyone for Valhalla/Olympus……. becoming one with the One?

    There is always the Hive, Limbo-land, Purgatory……… choirs of angels…..

    No babies?  

    Hey, there had to be something special about coming down here!

    In some sense, God is our Baby!  

    That’s where all the Agape/Love ends up.

    Is God pampered?

    The jguy might argue otherwise.  

    This is not rocket science……. wrapping up the Alpha and Omega.

    You want to tie a ribbon 🎀 on it, and then go off and create the second best world?  

    I think you might need a special visa.

    You might want to think twice about that.

    Effectively, we’ve got 10^10 worlds right here.

    And remember that a big part of the trick is keep things up close and personal.

    And, yes, the baby trick……… you’ll find that pretty hard to beat, I’m thinking.  

    But, hey, if you’re still anxious to try your hand at that second best world, sit tight……. it may not be much longer…. now!  
    ………….


    No, the Core Story is not about personification.  

    It’s about persons.  

    It’s persons…….. all the way down…… and all the way up!  

    Our ballyhooed egocentricity is the biggest illusion going.  

    It’s really quite effective, wouldn’t we
    ……….


    And here’s another deal……

    We really wouldn’t want to save the best for the last of the Metanarrative.

    There is a need to clear out the theater 🎭.

    Stragglers are not part of the show.

    The Sun going out should provide a pretty good incentive…… don’t we think.

    What will the conservationists think?

    Rescuing animals is a good thing, no matter what the time.

    Where will Eden be when we need it?

    Eden has always had one foot in Eternity.

    I guess we can bring our own fig leaves 🍃.



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    Post by GSB Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:50 am

    No, the Core Story is not about personification.

    It’s about persons.

    It’s persons…….. all the way down…… and all the way up!


    Persons are the tension between the all that is and small that is. ;-)


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    Post by dan Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:32 pm

    It common amongst theists to suppose the Creator lends objectivity to the cosmos.  

    However, the notion of the Simulation Hypothesis is catching on in recent times.  

    Theists and Physicists can  no longer reject the SH out of hand.  

    In fact, the SH lends credence, in turn, to the BPWH/SWH.

    The natural appearance of starry sky 🌌 can then be understood as being for the purpose of giving us a longer leash from the Creator.  

    Nature is a buffer between us and God. We can attend to our own business without God constantly looking over our shoulder.  

    Sometimes we want God breathing down our neck……. but not all the time.  

    It would not be good for us to have God at our beck and call 📱.…. even if it could be arranged!  
    ……….


    God is constantly looking over our shoulder…… we are constantly one with God…….. but we get to think otherwise, with the Simulation Hypothesis = BPWH/SWH ……. and we get the Anthropic Principle and Personalism thrown in for free.  

    The SH is simply saying that our Dreamtime never ended.  

    It will end when the portals open for five days.

    Of course, the portals could be simulated, also.

    Are we the boy dreaming he is a butterfly…… or is it vice versa?  

    Of course, Descartes and the fundamentalist would say that this is demonic.

    Or is it a Pratityasamutpadic bootstrap?  

    Or is it simply since the fact that Nothing can’t exist, then the best possible something has to exist……. and this is it…… believe it or not!  

    Do we get the jguy for free?  

    We might want to ask the jguy!  

    The I Am’s traumatic emergence…… with the imaginary playmates….. automatically leads to the Solipsism we have in front of us.

    Think of this as the Cosmic Talkie, which I was introduced to, today, down at the palace.

    We can maybe 🤔 afford to joke about these things……. but there are some folks who can’t…… and we always try to keep them in mind!  



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    Post by RealPan Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:50 pm

    Demon Dan, don't kick the Can. The Bucket must remain in Play. When the ship sets Sail, the fat ladies Bail. Good Tea until the very last Day.
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    Post by dan Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:22 am

    A major facet of the world is that everything is entangled.

    This entanglement is based on the microcosmic aspect everything.  

    I’ve said that…….. at least implied that…… persons provide the epitome of entanglement……. and this is not just a matter of degree.  

    How then does personhood compare with atomhood?  

    We might also ask how sapience compares with sentience.  

    Off the top, we have a unique tendency toward imagination.

    Our ability, in that regard, ramifies our microcosmic status and potential.

    This ability is accompanied by personal memory that can hardly be quantified.  

    In some sense, we are microcosms^cosm.

    What then does this say about our Source?  

    What does this say about the emergence of the world?  

    All persons are born with the Seminal Word.

    Do atoms ⚛ not possess the Seminal Word?  

    I’m thinking that the Logos possess atoms ⚛ rather in the manner that we possess the Logos.

    But wasn’t the jguy also the Word…… and the Word was with God.  

    Who possessed whom?  

    I guess I’m suggesting that Love transcends the Logos.

    Love is a bit more personal, after all.
    …….


    I think I’d better cut to the chase……

    I’m suggesting that the Source and the BPW go hand in hand.

    We were always the twinkle in the eye of the I Am.

    We can scarcely imagine an I Am, who is not pregnant 🤰 with the BPW…….. Pratityasamutpada.  

    We can talk about the Trinity and the Olympiad……. sure, but it’s always been 10^10 of us, from the git go.  
    ……….


    The question has arisen as to whether, IMHO 🐣, it’s better to be a pagan or a Modern Materialist.  

    From the BPW perspective I’m suggesting that pagans are vastly closer to the BPWH perspective.  

    I’m rendering this opinion particularly from an eschatological perspective.  

    The opening of the portals is only for our egress.

    It will be ensured that we have no return.  

    And what about the Sun going out?  

    Again, that seems mainly for our benefit.  

    The bears 🐻 will be encouraged to hibernate.  

    I don’t think that pagans can deny the Logos, try though they may.  

    The Logos is pretty much on the side of persons.  

    So what?  

    Who died and put us in charge?  It’s the jguy, I suggest.

    We are the co-Creators, after all……. but it looks like we’re really messing things up…… just about now!  

    It is reminiscent of the Tribulation…… + Armageddon!  
    ………


    I’m suggesting that the pagans are liable to be more open minded on ontological matters, than are most of the scientifically minded.

    Eschatology might not be quite such a stretch.

    Once we bring eschatology into the picture, things are liable to loosen up a bit.



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    Post by dan Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:52 am

    My contention is that eschatology is necessarily focused on personalism.

    Humans are necessarily afforded central roles in narratives including the End times.  

    It is unusual to to find a narrative that includes an Eschaton that simply involves the removal of humans.

    In fact, I’m doubtful that one could even point to such an account.

    Yes, there are plenty of stories dealing with humankind’s self annihilation….. but not where such an event is taken as part of some larger cosmic narrative.  

    I’m sure there may be more than a few naturalists who imagine that Nature might take vengeance upon us for wreaking havoc with Nature.

    Such thoughts are usually entertained in private.

    Over the years, more than a few depopulation and eugenic conspiracies have been touted, but these are invariably targeted.  
    ……..


    Naturalism comes in a rather broad spectrum……… from the scientific, analytical, reductionist forms…….. verging into the holistic and pantheistic forms.  

    The Supernatural is specifically excluded, but does not exclude the mystical.

    Various of spiritual practices have turned away from the Supernatural, but have adopted Spiritual Naturalism in the pantheism.

    A belief in the paranormal, however, is tantamount to a belief in the Supernatural. The portal phenomenon would have to be considered supernatural, in this sense. Portals are certainly not natural. They consist of entanglements that necessarily involve persons.

    Various traditional animistic practices, however, do include portal type phenomena. These phenomena invariably involve the participation of a shaman, however.



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    Post by dan Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:19 am

    Nothingness does not…… cannot exist.  

    So something does…… or is it that somethings do exist?  

    Being a coherentist, I suggest that whatever exists must be bound together in consciousness, if nothing else.

    To exist is to be observable.  

    But suppose the observer has only a finite existence.  

    What is the ontic status of observations that cease to be registered ®️?

    And what counts as registration?

    Ok, let’s just cut to the chase…….

    The only thing that can exist is Cosmic Coherence……. sub specie aeternitatis…… and, virtually by definition, that specie is personal.

    Thus do we have the logical basis of the cosmic Metanarrative/Alpha/Omega/Source/Telos/I Am……. etc…… you name it.  

    And we are well on our way back to becoming one with that One…… thus knowing ourselves for the first time.

    This is the basis of Agape……. or just call it love 💗.  

    Yes, we may take this to the cosmic bank……. also known as the Akashic record.

    Yes, this is all very personal, and constitutes the core of our Being.

    All Being emanates from this one Being……. persons being the primary emanators…… emanatees.



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    Post by dan Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:39 am

    Ok, so how am I going to explain the Sun 🌞?  

    The physical explanation is fairly straightforward……. the metaphysical explanation, not so much.

    I recall using sunflowers 🌻 for explanation…….. also sunbathers…. but that was about as far as it got.

    I don’t mind extracting atoms and people from dreams…… from a logical Dreamtime.

    The Sun gets in our face.  

    I’m ok with fire 🔥……. why can’t fire cover the Sun, metaphysically?  

    I’m inclined to just chalk the Sun up to our extended metabolism.  

    The Sun is our major source of metabolism.  

    And we do have the necessity of vision.  

    In dreams, there is seldom a source of light……. also not in the interior of Ufos 🛸.

    I have not dealt with the question of what powers our dreams, if not the Sun?  

    Generally, I suppose that the Metanarrative is powered by taming whatever might be the metaphysical equivalent of the quantum vacuum energy……. a neurologist might be thinking of the random firing of neurons during deep sleep…….. something rather than nothing, after all!  

    Can we think of the Sun as being a minimal source, in this context?  

    The Sun is a key part of the Logos.  

    Where would we and society be without our diurnal bio rhythms?  

    Where would the flora and fauna be without a distant source?  

    Is this logic enough to pull the Sun 🌞 out of a hat 🎩?  

    If not, we’d be back to square zero.  

    And where did zero come from?  It appeared rather late in the Narrative.  

    The Sun is also a key part of our monism.

    Our aboriginal cultures picked up on this.

    If the Sun didn’t already exist, we would have had to invent it…….. and I’m saying that we did……… sub specie aeternitatis!  

    Is that sufficient to induct the Sun into our metaphysical, Metanarrational pantheon?  

    Now, how are we going to arrange for the Sun to blink and go out??  

    That’s going to require some serious eschatological entanglement!

    But all us share in that entanglement……. whether we like it or not.

    How do we, we might ask?  

    Through our biological imperative to be fruitful and multiply.

    That was an integral part of our material progress…….. until it wasn’t.

    The multiplication was embedded into our cultures.

    Why couldn’t we all have embraced a gender liberalism a generation ago?  

    Such a concerted action would probably require a Disclosure…… a generation ago.  

    The timeline would have been thrown out of whack.  
    ………


    And how might we be entangled with the Eschaton?

    In modern times, it is mostly through our expectations concerning material progress.

    These expectations historically have been bound up with the prophetic evangel……. or good news of the Kingdom come.

    This optimism regarding the future, however, is offset with concern about the Tribulation.



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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:03 pm

    Might it not be that the Rapture just a not very subtle conspiracy to rid the Earth 🌎 of its very burdensome human population?  

    The opening of the portals, with their compulsory exit compliance seem even more biased toward a complete removal strategy.  
    ………..


    Instead of the Great Replacement, we have the Great Removal strategy.

    According to the BPWH, I don’t give much credence to conspiracy theories that do not make sense from a cosmic perspective.  

    Yes, if you are a materialist, it’s all about power politics and the survival of the fittest.  

    Life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe.

    I just don’t find that view very persuasive.

    But many more educated folks find it more persuasive than anything else out there.

    I guess it’s a good thing that folks who are able to open the portals do not see it as a religious calling……. it would bring in all sorts of religious, personal and historical baggage…….. muddying the waters.

    Let’s get on with the task.  

    It’s more than a bit like Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita…… ours is not to reason why.  

    In the End, ‘God’ sorts it out.  

    When the Rapture comes, we’re not supposed to stand with our feet planted on the ground, shaking our fist at ‘God’.



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    Post by dan Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:31 am

    In other words, the whole pagan business is a crucial part of the very personal Katechon.  

    The chick 🐣 gets to fly (mostly!) solo.  

    The JWST is demonstrating that, although things appear to be happening in real time, we’re just realizing that they have also been written in the stars ✨!!

    We do want to hang on to our hats 🧢, sports fans!  

    I might manage to be the only one not totally surprised 😲.  
    ………..


    As Chris Straub said, almost thirty years ago, to foot and me, concerning the Eschaton…….. well, Dan, I guess you’ll just have to surprise us.  


    The next two links are brought to us via goat 🐐……

    https://youtu.be/Rhav3Zb0lEU?si=NPRi6JDopRQnrKR6

    Filmmakers say No to Netflix: Spied on, Censored and Ransacked!

    https://youtu.be/Vi3ntwAc8lc?si=d_DM8X2IG3-Ztddx

    Evangelicals Freak Out over “Deconstruction Destroying Christianity"
    …….

    It seems like the social media are getting on to the scent of something!



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    Post by RealPan Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:23 pm

    Why did the Chicken cross the road? Is there another pathway to the other side? Should the chicken stagger in the middle of the road, or should the chicken commit to cross or not cross? If not cross, how can the chicken get to the other side? On the occasion that the other side came to this side, on which side or sides would the chicken exist? Why is crossing so important? What is crossing within the context of reunion? What is a side within the context of parallelism?
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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:04 am

    Well, I’m given to understand that a small rendezvous is being anticipated.

    There have been some communication glitches on our side as to how to proceed with said rendezvous.  

    Hopefully, the rendezvous may help to clarify some outstanding issues as to the disposition of humanity, subsequent to a more general or global opening.  

    These issues revolve around the matter of why we are here, in the first place.  

    Are we interlopers……. or what?

    I tend to opine that we are not……. interlopers.

    This opinion, as we are all well aware, is not universally shared.

    It is particularly not shared by the so-called ‘intelligentsia’.

    This lack of universal sharing is of course crucial to the proper functioning of the Katechon, which, in its turn, is crucial to the proper functioning of the Eschaton.  

    Yes, the entanglement never ends…….

    Especially not in the very personal, best possible and small world.  
    ………


    Do keep in mind that the entire cosmic Creation is singular, geocentric, anthropocentic and Christocentric.  

    Yes, there are other dimensions and realms, but we are the Grand Central Station 🚉 of the entire kit and caboodle.  

    If you have put all your trust in Charles Darwin and the Big Bang ❗, you might wish to check the latest data coming out of the JWST!  
    ………


    There is an attempt to work out the glitch, and we may be coming back on track….. albeit a somewhat revised track.  

    Any revision would, of course, only be from our, rather limited, perspective.  

    That all pervasive illusion of free will……. what a persuasive illusion that is, and what would the point of anything without that illusion?  

    Are we now going to tune out the show?  

    I’m under the distinct impression that Eternity can garner our full attention whenever it so chooses.

    Yes, even Smelly could be awoken out of his slumber of agnosticism, if the cosmos decided to get on his case.  



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    Post by Cockatoo Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:00 pm

    We are here in order to spread God’s Kingdom on Earth and to teach the Christian message of love to all peoples scattered throughout this fallen world.

    The ecstasis of the logos answers this question completely. Once we, in an elevated, suspended and fully ascended mode of spiritual being are able to fully behold the “everything is connected” thoughtform, we are released from our negative ego altogether and can see how we are glorified by the creator.

    Perhaps it is that we are here in order to transform into something even greater, which many of us continually do with our merkabahs, angel lightbodies, dreamstates, what is known in Kabbalah as keter.

    Others would wish to casually disregard the question and invoke the dweller in the abyss, the all-consuming and deleterious destruction magicks at work in wicked places, and the human struggle against darkness.

    I may have mentioned Nietzsche’s demon before on this website but that would lend credence, of course, to an appeal to probability.

    Maybe that’s why this question grows tired, poisonous and initiatory. It tempts us to regard the world and its ills all too readily.

    I believe that once disillusionment occurs the individual will come to see himself as a fake virus from outer space. Sounds preposterous but I would love to discuss this weird perspective with any who can relate or describe what I’m trying to.

    The most scholarly term for the direct philosophical bedrock this question grapples with is what is known to be the primordial aether. I am a strong experientialist, and I have been instructed in the ways of the infinite Other and the Dao. I believe the emergence from primordial aether, perhaps known as Divine Providence, is to be strictly regarded as the process of recognition, the Godhead, the dual current of Ma’at, or, The Holy Ghost.

    Carl Sagan’s most profound utterance was indeed that ‘we are a way for the cosmos to know itself’.

    In closing, I would say that this question is absolutely resolved and the answer is unmistakably remarkable when the individual is made to answer it for Himself. It is perhaps Gaia, the feeling of Togetherness coming from feeling (and forgive this horrible negative thought-terminating cliché) feeling like we are becoming part of something bigger. The splendor of creation, that is. I do believe though distinct the meaning of life is from raison d’etre its answer lays squarely in the principle of creation.

    The ancient ideas of the Rod of Asclepius and The Cadeucus factor in here too. I know this post is as high falutin’ and deceptively bullheaded-sounding as some Quora posts but having had this question answered for me by my own meditation (and perhaps some guidance from PKD’s own perspective) I am excited to take a shot at answering in a robust fashion.

    My background is in physics and I strongly believe that peak human experience has something to do with what is known as spectrality: light in darkness, light unto darkness, darkness into light. The joy of realizing our horizons can collide and that we can regard one another in a special way is so overwhelming that being as grains of sand in this world is the most relentless enlightening and sublime perspective we can foster within.

    As I get older I worry that I fail to see the love in all things more and more, much like I am finding myself losing my ability to see in the dark. My soul is dying because the pressure of the world has been so unforgiving that others believe we will not have eternal life at all or that we are products to be redeemed by some worldly forces.

    As a side note, I would imagine studying the religion of the jedi would also allow many to glean some insights. Truly speculative skeptics and open minds take this question seriously and pursue it ferociously undaunted.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:58 am

    Mr Cockatoo,

    It seems that you have no idea of what has been going on, in this particular thread.

    I now ask that you use what you have just posted to start your own thread.

    If you are not willing to start your own thread, I will have to delete your post.

    When you join someone else’s thread, you must address yourself to the concerns being discussed

    Thank you for your compliance.
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    Well, yes, things do seem to be coming to a head……..

    Almost since the beginning, I’ve been aware that the Princess and I were not in alignment on the matter of Personalism and Personhood.  

    But, now, with time running short, this misalignment is coming front and center.

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