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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 10:33 am

    Sure, RP, but, in point of fact, you’ve been my first and only responder, in past half century, since john16.

    What, in Heaven’s name, are we to make of them apples 🍎?

    Me…….🐣?

    Hey, I can make a mountain out of a mole hill.



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    Post by RealPan Mon May 13, 2024 10:43 am

    Well as I am only 17 years old, that is an amazing claim. Good news is my commission runs out at the tend of this month
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 10:54 am

    Ok, RP2,

    You don’t mind if I check on your creds with RP1, then do you?  

    But, never mind, I don’t think I need to, but others on this line…… revel in what may be the last shred of your innocence.

    Being caught between the Katechon and the Eschaton is not always the best possible place to be.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2024 12:43 pm

    17 year olds know nuthin, they just don’t know it.

    Aren’t they cute?

    Little fresh minds.

    Awwww.

    It takes lifetimes to come to nothing.

    You have to live and suffer.

    Don’t trust anyone who writes a book.

    They are very very confused.

    Nothing can be said about nothing.

    The “Me” is searching for ways to survive.

    The “Me” runs from nothing.

    The “Me” hates nothing.

    The “Me” is the one who despairs.

    I like it when Dan scolds me, it means I’m right on target 🎯 which is to say I have effortlessly hit the target not even aiming.

    I am completely and utterly useless.

    See Dan, new stories.

    Let them eat cake and tell their stories.

    We just keep making up stories.

    I don’t write new stories.

    I AM

    Let them tell stories until the sun burns out.

    Anything they see, breathe, and feel is a mystery they will never really know.

    The “Me” can’t accept that.

    Well, We is Me.

    Whatever they need to do to get through their days.

    Me, no more stories.

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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 2:07 pm

    BBL, You think you can hide behind the cloak of postmodern existentialism.  

    Unfortunately you have less excuse for your studied ignorance than does anyone.

    I have reached out to you on many occasions, but, as soon as I get off the phone, you turn around and deny, deny, deny……

    It gets tiresome, Eric.

    If you and your fellow, postmodern, travelers do not come to regret your studied ignorance/apathy you will have learned nothing.



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    Post by RealPan Mon May 13, 2024 2:13 pm

    I heard that the Chicken was belligerent, but this takes the cake! I is important to communicate your perspective, and to do that you need to be respectful.
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 2:23 pm

    RP2,

    I’m sorry, but you are not penetrating your own smoke screen.

    I am unable to respect anyone or thing who is unable speak without a forked tongue.


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    Post by RealPan Mon May 13, 2024 2:34 pm

    I took this assignment because I was told that you were smart, had deep understanding of science and philosophy, and had accepted the responsibility of speaking for man. It seems you are just angry.
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 2:47 pm

    RP2,

    I don’t know who you are.

    For awhile, I was under the impression that you were RP1.

    So you revel in misrepresenting yourself and muddying the waters.

    This is hardly conducive to a civil conversation.  

    Please just excuse yourself from the forum.
    ……….


    Meanwhile, back to Eric/BBL,

    He sometimes is able to give the impression that he might have a clue about immaterialism.

    But, no, he is able to prove each time that he is permanently mired in some variation of postmodern existentialism.

    I don’t know of anyone who has escaped the Big Bang mindset.

    I’m sorry, but by trying to ignore the that mindset, one is tacitly accepting it.

    The Big Bang mindset has modern civilization in a death grip.  

    Postmodernism claims to put every belief system into historical brackets……. and this, in theory, is supposed to include science.

    But postmodernism is aimed at a non-scientific, academic audience.

    It very deliberately steers very clear of the so-called hard sciences.

    By declaring certain bodies of knowledge to be sacrosanct it is being dishonest and duplicitous.

    Fortunately, it never gained much ground, but managed to further muddy the waters.



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    Post by RealPan Mon May 13, 2024 2:54 pm

    Good thing I speak French.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2024 3:50 pm

    No one smart takes assignments.

    Those are called…slaves.

    People’s lack of self awareness is tiresome, which is to say there is no self.

    I am in fact 100% honest with you Dan, I neither confirm nor deny anything.

    It’s really funny for any snakes 🐍 to think they can get in these holes 🕳

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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2024 4:20 pm

    BBL,

    To attempt to confirm or deny nothing is a fool’s game.  

    Please stop……. it contributes nothing to anything.  
    ………..


    As to the RP1/2 situation……..

    It is partly my fault for letting it get out of hand.  

    Ron has played this trick before…… I might have known better.

    He claims to have created the account, and made the initial post(s).

    Since then, he has turned it over to interns, on a monthly rotation.

    This last one, Ron claims is French, and that he has spoken with Adrien Chauvet, on a recent visit.



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    Post by RealPan Mon May 13, 2024 4:23 pm

    Dan asked me to remove the intern, who gleefully accepted the opportunity to depart. We like to expose interns to science, engineering, philosophy and theology; and their acceptance of assignments is consistent with their overall goals and objectives. There was a time when Dan was accepting of the role as tutor and mentor, but anger seems to be driving him towards self imposed isolation.
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    I guess I deleted myself.

    Whoops.
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    Post by dan Tue May 14, 2024 8:37 am

    When the cat’s away the mice will play.  

    There might be no cat.

    There is a void.

    The void is left in the wake the mother of all ships…….. the ascendancy of scientific materialism.

    The mice left playing are all the tinhorns and wannabes.

    The notion of truth has been dissected into a thousand pieces.

    Yes, this leaves a very tempting void.

    Folks don’t reckon with personhood.

    My money remains on the Truth within.



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    Post by RealPan Tue May 14, 2024 8:43 am

    Hi Dan .. With interns away, I am forced to post this notice from the Princess:
    Hello Everyone,

    I am so excited that Dr. Adrien Chuvet will be able to join us for a discussion of his book From Science to Faith.

    https://www.amazon.com/Science-Faith-scientific-approach-strengthen/dp/1847741959

    Book Excerpt:
    My life-long goal has been and continue to be one of seeking meaning about this world, my place within it, and the path I must take. This pursuit essentially seeks an inner peace, which my travails have come to indicate comes from Truth. By “Truth” I mean a conception of the world that is logical, practical and universal, i.e. encompassing all disciplines and all beings. I hope that this truth will give me the satisfaction of having made the right choice, and of being on the right path. And since I doubt that I am the only one looking for this kind of reassurance, I am here sharing my experiences.

    About Dr. Adrien Chuvet
    Adrien Chauvet was born and raised in France, in a small village of Soultz-les-Bains. He was educated in a society in which science prevailed over all other forms of knowledge. Accordingly, he began his intellectual journey studying the natural sciences at Louis Pasteur in Strasbourg, France. At the age of 21, he travelled to the United States to pursue his studies, convinced that science was the ultimate way of knowing the world. He obtained his Doctor in Philosophy in Physics from Purdue University. During his studies, Adrien had the opportunity to interact with American Muslims communities. The Islam he discovered not only resonated with his Christian upbringing, but also appeared to coincide with his scientific view of the world. Adrien embraced Islam at the age of 24. He then progressed in his scientific career, while seeking to refine the convergence of science and Islam. This book recounts Adrien's journey of bringing together science and faith.

    This will be an in-person only Tasseography with participation by a select group of scientists, philosophers, and theologians.
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    Post by dan Tue May 14, 2024 8:51 am

    RP,

    Yes, I would very much like to attend.  

    I promise to make only polite responses…….. in person.  

    My only substantive response will be here, and is ongoing.  

    Thank you for putting out this information.  

    Yes, I can well appreciate Adrien’s struggle to bring religion into conformity with science…… and that the Princess shares this desire.  

    I partook of this struggle……. from my encounter with the Princess in the winter of 1976-‘77 until my encounter with ‘Masquerade’ in 1982.

    That marked my gestalt switch from materialism to immaterialism…… and subsequently to personalism and the small world and BPWH.  

    Yes, it was a very big leap, especially in a world dominated by scientific cosmology.  

    But I did have john16 to fall back on.

    To any modern mind, john16 could be no more than some words blowing in the wind.  

    Yes, the jguy also left behind a 2,000 year void.  

    Mohammed made a valiant, best possible, attempt to fill that void.

    The nascent Islam launched its own Renaissance or revival of Greek philosophy and science……. but then it sputtered.

    Yes, the Islamic renaissance was powered by its empire building.

    In the West, instead, came the Dark Ages marked by the fall of the Roman Empire……. often and correctly blamed on the rise of Christianity.

    With Christianity, while empires fell, a personal hope was rising.

    This was, very simply, the good news.

    Islam had no equivalent.  

    The good news was very personal…… it pointed to the God within.

    Yes, an intellectual empire arose.  

    The good news, in the absence of any Parousia, was easily channeled by the Enlightenment.  

    The spiritual enlightenment easily morphed into a personal enlightenment…… across the entire range of the intellect.  

    This, in its turn, however, presented a very fertile ground for the emergence of reason……. a reason mesmerized by the vast reaches of space and time.  

    All this emerging intellectual energy would focus onto the sailing ship and its navigation into new worlds.  

    The focus on the sailing ship opened the way for bringing together iron and coal into the steam ship.  

    The poor spirit was left behind……. really submerged into the Industrial Revolution.  

    The personal spirit would not emerge again until Tim Berners-Lee put together the World Wide Web in 1990.  

    Could virtual reality be far behind?  
    ……….


    So we’ve pretty much got the idea of the information explosion.  

    Can the thought of an information implosion be far behind……. 🐣?

    Better check out……. the simulation hypothesis and its attendant speculation…… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis (under: see also).  

    Can immaterialism be far behind informationalism?  

    Yes, but the MoAPS is a formidable barrier…… a gestalt switch of biblical proportions.

    It took me five years, and I already knew what was on the other side.

    On the other hand, we have the McKenna brothers and the increasing experience with altered states.

    There are two converging streams……. experiential and intellectual.  

    The intermingling is still mostly underground.

    Will it be worth our 2,000 year wait?  Hmmm……..
    ………..


    Let us not forget Ralph Waldo Emerson……..
    Who shall define to me an Individual? I behold with awe & delight many illustrations of the One Universal Mind. I see my being imbedded in it. As a plant in the earth so I grow in God. I am only a form of him. He is the soul of Me.




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    Post by dan Wed May 15, 2024 8:04 am

    I’m told that three has a stable of philosophers…….. former xians with a background in science who converted to Islam……. just like Adrien.  

    Just like two?

    Adrien is going to lead the in person tasseography this weekend, but I have prior family commitments.

    But then he’ll be staying on for a couple of weeks.  

    I may get to talk to him in person.  

    Now I’m told that Adrien is also an expert in geomagnetic anomalies.

    This is in response to my accusation that he discovered three electromagnetically……. by means of a very skillful utilization of Google.  

    There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Adrien has ever deviated from biophysics, other than to embrace Islam.  

    So what do I say, when I get to confront my alleged replacement.  

    I was told not to mention the alleged Reunion.

    But two agrees that her twelve colleagues will tell her to go back and talk to the chick.  

    I perfectly understand why scientists tend to embrace Buddhism and Islam…….. it’s ABC…… anything but xianity!  

    They understand that xianity is never going to blend in with modernism.

    Yes, they understand that embracing the jguy would trigger a MoAPS.  

    It would be an event of biblical proportions……. john16.

    This event precipitates personalism and the small world…… heaven forbid!  

    How am I going to break the bad news to Adrien.  

    Presuming that he has more expertise in google than in geomagnetics, he would know by now of chick.

    So what going on?  

    If there is even the slightest bit of choreography, he would certainly be part of it, wittingly or not.

    And so is the rest of Islam, as explained yesterday……. live by the sword, die by the pen 🖊️.  

    Will the portals be opening before or after?  

    My hope is after.  

    The good news should be promulgated before, or it won’t be promulgated at all.  

    The rendezvous has been pushed back three weeks…… but don’t tell Adrien 🤫.

    I keep pushing for a grace period……. before the big Eclipse.

    I mean there is still a choice…….. will we be up there or down here…… on Earth as it is in Heaven…… in other words.

    Did I ever really fall for the five day opening?

    What does three know, and when did she know it.

    We might be about to find out.

    The portals will open to let in the stragglers.

    Be here or be square!

    Anyone want to put money down?



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    Post by RealPan Thu May 16, 2024 9:02 am

    Fortunately there are many readers on this Blog who can read. Those interested in the relationship between the Earth's magnetic field and eschatology will find Islamic scholarship emanating from the early 17th century fascinating, including how it spun off to a set of 7 perpetual wise men who track with increasing accuracy and correlation the higher order terms in the Earth's magnetic field in coherence with periodic solar magnetic disturbances. Five are now present with two more on the way. All will be present when the Ottoman Tea is served.

    This might be a good place to start your journey: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364682606000496


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    Post by dan Fri May 17, 2024 6:45 am

    Ok, I’m gonna concede this one to foot.  

    If Adrien caught the scent of Princess on his magnetometers….. more power.  

    And whilst we’re at it, cannot the all powerful and most merciful God be all things to all people?  

    Yes, chick 🐣 has seen the light……. on the other side of the Princess’ best possible Omega.

    And at the Arctic Reunion, in a very few weeks, she is going to embrace the Twelve……. but don’t tell Adrien that chick told you.  

    Why not?  If we knew that, we might just know the Secret 🤫 of the Universe.  

    I think I might.

    How did I learn so much?  

    I visited the Small-timore Mosque 🕌.  

    With every mosque, Baltimore just just keeps getting smaller.

    If I’m sounding a little bit woke…….. maybe it’s ‘cause I am.

    I was tempted to capitalize the A, but that might be just a bit much.

    In compensation for all this expansiveness, on the other side of the Princess’ Omega, we all become jesus freaks.

    We figured out the Omega scenario……. this was in talking Khaled Helmi……. their social worker.  

    We can just as much time as we want….. to open the portals.  

    It could be zero years, it could a thousand years.  

    It could be 7,8 or 9 years.  

    Hey, it’s all the Hadith!  

    Hey, we may have the jguy, but they’ve got the Hadith.  

    I swear…… with the Hadith, you can do just about anything.  

    The Hadith is like a born again bible……. ok, a living bible.

    I’m gonna be in WV Sunday night, so I might not get to see Adrien until Tuesday.  

    Oh, yeah, and how does an immaterialist explain Princess sensing magnet 🧲-ometers.  

    I’m still working on that.  

    How do we explain iPhones 📱?

    Where there is the best possible will….. there is the best possible way….. sub specie aeternitatis.

    And what do Muslims think about the Multiverse?  

    Hey, check out the Hadith……..

    And when will the Jews stop 🛑 bombing the Palestinians?  

    As I write this, I’d say it’ll be pretty damn fast……. if they know what’s good for them.

    Extremists on both sides, are claiming to be hastening the return of the Lord.  

    Hey, sports fans…….. I think 🤔 she’s got the message!  

    And what about the Buddhists?  

    Hey, again……. there is that of Buddha in every one of us.

    What you do unto the least of you……..

    You got that, donny boy?  

    Ok, Donald might win, but it won’t be the end of the world?  

    Well, on second thought……..
    ……..


    Is three a Twelver?  

    I’d be willing to bet.  

    And what is a Twelver?  

    Maybe I’d better look it up……. in the Hadith…….
    The twelfth imam, however, has been kept alive by God and is hidden somewhere on Earth.
    Hey, it’s in the Hadith….. that and the MoAPS….. and the Princess…… and the magnet 🧲 ometer.  

    And what are the folks at Grace Fellowship going to make of the Hadith.  

    I guess we forgot to tell them that Twelfth Imam = the Spirit of the Truth!!  Fooled ‘em!  

    And I mean that in a good way.  

    And do we now have a quantum jesus?  

    He got crucified and not……. at the same time!  

    In both cases, he got resurrected on third day.

    In both cases he got the stigmata.

    So why don’t we go and kill each other…… with our love?  

    Oh, but it’s really about his Divinity.  

    That’s a tough one…… almost as tough as the magnet 🧲 ometer!  

    In the End, it’s about being one with the One.

    Hey……. two’s a company….. three’s a crowd…… four on the sidewalk are not allowed 🚫.  

    I humbly suggest that it’s about the difference between Deism and Theism.

    In the BPW we get the best of both worlds…….. sub specie aeternitatis!  

    And then there’s the face that launched a thousand ships…… magnets included!  

    And two of those ships are Adrien and the chick 🐣.  
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    And I almost forgot……… he will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come……. straight out of the Hadith……. well, you get the idea……



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    Post by RealPan Fri May 17, 2024 9:40 am

    Grace Fellowship expelled the spirit of truth.

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    Post by dan Fri May 17, 2024 10:05 am

    I’ve forgotten what it was about.  

    But, hey, chick 🐣 can be annoying……. just ask the Princess.
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    The Vatican has issued guidelines to the effect that it will no longer make pronouncements on the authenticity of alleged anomalous phenomena…….. specifying that it will be up to the individuals to use their own discernment.  

    I’m being led to wonder if the Reunion is taking place currently, with the time and location having been modified.



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    Post by Mr. Janus Sat May 18, 2024 12:54 am

    RealPan wrote:Grace Fellowship expelled the spirit of truth.

    Can't imagine why...


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    Post by dan Sat May 18, 2024 8:38 am

    You do have a serious learning deficit. This was the Tasseography with the seven wise men. (Then) she departs for the reunion with their blessing.

    Did Adrien participate? Did xxx present?  You mention only history....... nothing about the future..... nothing about the best world...... nothing about Revelation.  It sounds strictly Islamic.

    Yes, there is a deficit..... a serious one.

    An Islamic Rapture?  Truth?  Hmmm...... I'm not terribly impressed...... 🐣.....

    I continue to be of the persuasion that I have a better understanding of the role of Mohammed, than Mohammed had of the Christ...... and, yes, it has everything to do with the past..... the future.... and the Truth.

    Somewhere, along this path, the Truth will emerge.  

    I bide my time.  

    Mohammed understood armies..... the Christ understands seeds... and gardens..... and harvests.  
    Everything will be revealed..... at the best possible time.  

    And, oh, yes....... Donald Trump has a clue........ barely.  

    And the mice will play......

    No. That is one of your failure modes. These are the seven wise men, each with over 1500 years of experience and all together part of revelation.

    Xxx is exhausted from the event and looking forward to receiving your texts.

    xxx prepared the statement issued by the Pope and then went to xxx.  

    Time does move along……

    If you are not able to serve as Scribe and Discloser, Adri(e)n m(a)y serve.

    Adrien and chick are way overdue for a little confab. How soon?




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