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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:02 am

    Thanks for this post Smelly Smile

    Nice quote by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

    BTW I agree with 99's recent post, the debate between Dan and you and the many others in this little corner of cyberspace has presented many nuggets of gold.

    Perhaps the best possible world does indeed foreshadow a new goldrush, only this time, unlike the Klondike, one for all.




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    Post by dan Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:24 am

    Scott,

    Sometimes smelly has great insights.  

    Other times, there is confusion and contradiction.  

    His last post is a case in point.......

    smelly is comparing Zhaozhou and Teilhard.  

    They are both talking about a gestalt switch.  

    But there is a great chasm between the two.... a chasm which smelly has been unable to navigate.  

    This is the chasm between the the mystical and prophetic worlds.

    You point to this chasm, Scott, when you speak of a ‘new gold rush’.  

    smelly cannot fathom the concept of gold rush.  

    This gold rush is precisely what the prophetic tradition is about.  

    Every last one of us is sitting on a gold mine. It is also known as the Kingdom within.


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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:08 am

    A poem I wrote several months ago.... this pretty much sums it up in my view:

    Gold

    In a tired old poem, whose job is complete
    Where meaning burrowed veins,
    to the heart, to the deep;

    Can more nuggets be found on each prospector’s new trip
    Where Johnny Newcome looks hard,
    at the cackler’s sharp whip;

    Waste away young man, who looks for answers in treasures
    I have spent them. They’re gone,
    with nothing to measure;

    But we’ll keep coming back, inspired to bore
    Making more out of nothing,
    and something from more;

    We’ll trace circles upon circles, looking for center;
    Befriending our angels
    and likewise our dissenters;

    With meaning at the helm, we are fighting for first
    To give truth its just throne,
    and claim untruth the worst;

    But surely we can’t damn our best friend to hell
    So much has been given,
    and so much left to tell;

    Nay we will listen to both, and let them each live a life
    While we search for gold nuggets
    in their undying strife.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:42 am

    I am a dumb man goat dreaming.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:44 am

    dan wrote:Scott,

    Sometimes smelly has great insights.  

    Other times, there is confusion and contradiction.  

    His last post is a case in point.......

    smelly is comparing Zhaozhou and Teilhard.  

    They are both talking about a gestalt switch.  

    But there is a great chasm between the two.... a chasm which smelly has been unable to navigate.  

    This is the chasm between the the mystical and prophetic worlds.

    You point to this chasm, Scott, when you speak of a ‘new gold rush’.  

    smelly cannot fathom the concept of gold rush.  

    This gold rush is precisely what the prophetic tradition is about.  

    Every last one of us is sitting on a gold mine.  It is also known as the Kingdom within.  


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    Dan, we are walking contradictions.

    If you look to essence they are the same.

    You insist on dualism, while I am free of it.

    The only chasm is the one between your ears.

    I spontaneous spin thread and Dan has the audacity to comment on it.

    My words and thoughts are not for your comment Dan.

    Take them in or spit them out.

    You have no idea how and why I work.

    So stay in your lane and I’ll chatter my spontaneous inversions which will surely frustrate you.

    Why will they frustrate you?

    Because you aren’t putting the pieces together.

    And you certainly are hobbled by your refusal to trust anything beside your thoughts.

    To me, you are captured in a high tower while I sing outside your window.

    If you let all thought and feeling cancel out, the gold is what a hines and remains.

    It can’t be thought out in words.

    You also know you are jealous of me Wink

    I feel it like razor blades.

    Ha
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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:56 am

    Dan,

    I am but an infant when it comes to my breadth of knowledge and understanding of Philosophy. As such I couldn't comment on Zhaozhou or Teilhard - don't know enough, though I am enormously grateful to all on OM for the help I have received as the debate here has opened my eyes to so many things. This little place does indeed help us I feel with 'changing how we see things'. Is it not us to change, not the illusory things that we gaze upon. The Map is not the territory.

    If I may offer an opinion, me thinks the pending MOAPs to which you have pointed all of us on several occasions is indeed headed our way. Current world events and the ensuing chaos point to such as does what I understand of astrology.

    Looks like the BPW is 'on schedule' Smile



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:30 am

    I’m not going to explain the relationship between Chardin and Zhou, do it yourself if you feel to.

    I was kidding about Dan not commenting on my commentary.

    You have to empty your cup first.

    A university professor went to a Zen master to learn about Zen. The master served tea, and when he had filled the professor’s cup he kept pouring. Finally the professor cried out, “Stop pouring! The cup is full!” The Zen master replied, “Like this cup, you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”

    Dan doesn’t see correspondences, he sees differences, dualism.

    You area dualist until you aren’t.

    You have to have a personal MOAPS before you can see beyond differences.

    There are none.
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:50 pm

    smelly won’t believe that my first Gestalt switch was in 1966, and that I’ve had several since then.  

    Poor smelly has only had one switch, in about 2013. He has several more switches ahead of him. He’s just the new kid on the block, thinking he can bully the rest of us around.  smelly is incredibly naive.  

    smelly doesn’t realize that muppethood is a very fluid designation and extremely relative.  

    smelly is the principal dualist amongst us.  

    He is very reluctant to admit it.  

    smelly would loose a great deal of face, perish the thought.  

    Debbie is in the process of inviting Aliyah to New York...... talking about gestalt switches.  

    smelly thinks he’s really smart, but he has not mastered the art of microcosmic gestalt switches.  Poor smelly.  

    The question before us, sports fans, is how many switches has donny had.  I’d bet my bottom dollar that he’s had more than smelly.  Maybe even more than me, perish the thought.  

    Maybe that’s his real problem, he’s had too many switches. He is addicted to switching.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:23 pm

    Dan is a blind mouse.

    True, I believe absolutely nothing.

    Dan demonstrates the epitome of dualism's blindness.

    I'm not bullying, I am being direct about mind observations, something you don't do.

    So you are looking in the wrong direction, but there isn't really any wrong direction.

    The smelly goat is saying hey hey, look over here.

    You just don't like that.

    Your problem.

    I am blissfully empty of any sense.

    HA, but no no my old muppet friend.

    I went right to the front of the line.

    I had much less to empty myself of than you did.

    And I do not fill my mind with more thoughts as you do, again, why you will never beat me Wink

    And I am way smarter than you are and much much faster.

    This is what us indigo kids do, I can dance circles around you ole farts and will.

    And I will love to stick your nose in it.

    It's my smelly annoying style, learn to love it or hate it.

    I don't care of course, it comes as it comes, fast and spontaneous.

    Catch up slow poke.
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:41 pm

    smelly may be correct that he is closer to the Monad than I am.

    But guess what, sports fans, I may have the Big Mo.

    smelly cannot conceive of the Big Mo.

    Can you, smelly........ and try to be honest, for once in your life.


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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:07 pm

    Dan,

    your comment about Potus. I can only guess like you and Smelly he has experienced a switch or perhaps several. Something tells me though that 45 isn't just following the standard 'presidential role' if there even is such a thing.

    He has certainly brought a new dimension to the presidency and changed the lens through which we all see and experience the 'President of the United States of America.'

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:35 pm

    I am only honest Dan.

    There are no distinctions from me.

    Zero, zilch, nada.

    You are welcome to your own view here as always, it's your board.

    We don't need to agree nor would it matter if we do or don't Wink

    I don't disagree with you, I simply see.

    Why would I lie?

    Who has been more transparent personal and muppet wise here than I?!

    I have zero agenda but to look into what appears here.

    I'm ready to die any second, are you?
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:11 pm

    smelly,

    I am much more ready to die than you are.

    The Princess bites my head off on a daily basis.

    But I have just received instructions to not harass P or F.

    This instruction came from D, in person.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:32 pm

    Bahahaha

    Perhaps.

    BFD on P and F.

    I could care less what they are doing or thinking.

    I unlike you am not beholden or befooled by muppets with their own agendas.

    They aren’t here being authentic, as I suspect you aren’t being either.

    Muppets who don’t participate here can fuck off in my book.

    Scared mental midgets without the lionheart should stay away or they will be devoured.

    I’m not a sheep, I’m a fucking Lion.

    **ROAR**
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:06 pm

    To counter the rich connected To The Stars Academy

    I’m starting a new group

    Naked Under the Stars

    We aren’t connected to anything but our source

    We are fairly broke

    We have no retirement or escape plan to offer anyone

    There is no leadership

    There is no charter or hope we promote

    We are just Here

    Naked Under the Stars

    With what is

    We have no membership
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    Post by 99 Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:51 pm

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    Post by GSB/SSR Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:37 am

    Messy antics under the stars? You're not in Kansas anymore, folks ...

    Have a sugary cosmic serpent meme addiction? There's a cure for that ... just kill it

    Innocent bystander comments: Darwin reigns supreme ... "Survival of the [art; emotional response] form that will leave the most copies of itself in successive generations."

    "The first known appearance of the ouroboros motif is in the Enigmatic Book of the Netherworld, an ancient Egyptian funerary text in KV62, the tomb of Tutankhamun, in the 14th century BC. The text concerns the actions of the god Ra and his union with Osiris in the underworld. The ouroboros is depicted twice on the figure: holding their tails in their mouths, one encircling the head and upper chest, the other surrounding the feet of a large figure, which may represent the unified Ra-Osiris (Osiris born again as Ra). Both serpents are manifestations of the deity Mehen, who in other funerary texts protects Ra in his underworld journey. The whole divine figure represents the beginning and the end of time."


    Break the circuit ...

    (Naked) under the stars ? ... Darwin adds: 45 million views in under 24 hours








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    Post by RunningBull Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:55 am

    There's too much "air" in this forum. Good god.
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    Post by mion Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:18 am

    99 wrote:
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    smelly is as smelly does.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:19 am

    Naked under the stars...dancing and singing.

    Fa la la la la la

    Any inauthentic muppet has something to say...stuff it.
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    Post by dan Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:43 pm

    I never doubted that Ron could cut the cord with me at anytime,  without ceremony.  

    The fact that this may be happening now, might be a hopeful sign.......

    Disclosure is moving forward...... therefore becoming more political, and my politics have never been in alignment those of Foot.  Mainly though, I don’t think that there is such a thing as BPW politics.  The BPW will not be business as usual, nor will it be politics as usual.  

    This is not about politics, it is about the (shared) Kingdom within all of us.  

    It has been waiting patiently to emerge.  When the time is ripe, it will emerge.  

    It’s time may have come around, at last.  

    There is no doubt, however, that the shadows grow deeper as the dawn approaches.  

    I am very fortunate to be vouchsafed a modicum of faith, in the parlous times.  Perhaps more fortunate than many of you, in that regard.  

    I do try to share the hopeful outlook, even if the results often seem meager, indeed.

    We have been beating ourselves over the head with scientific materialism. It will feel so good when we stop. We just have to give ourselves permission. It’s not easy. I know that, if I know anything.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:33 pm

    This episode of life has been fun.

    Thankfully I was never here because of Ron or what they might or might not be connected to.

    Never cared not one second.

    Magickal thinking happens when we group up it seems.

    Then a smelly goat shows up and ruins things.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:28 pm

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    Post by GSB/SSR Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 am

    "We have been beating ourselves over the head with scientific materialism. It will feel so good when we stop. We just have to give ourselves permission. It’s not easy. I know that, if I know anything."

    I wonder if any here had noticed the meme-infested symbolism of ego-death in the BLACKPINK video, https://youtu.be/2S24-y0Ij3Y now at 82 million views and rising. ("Love is the drug and I need to score.")

    In the video the circuit (ouroboros) is broken by the future self killing the past self with the flaming arrow (erasing of personal history). The plate on the automobile that delivers a deadly blow appears to read as "EGO."

    Dan's wish for humanity to "just stop" their love affair with scientific materialism is a manifestation of his wish to seek ego death for the human race.

    Wikipedia:

    Stanislav Grof has researched the effects of psychedelic substances, which can also be induced by non-pharmacological means. Grof has developed a "cartography of the psyche" based on his clinical work with psychedelics, which describe the "basic types of experience that become available to an average person" when using psychedelics or "various powerful non-pharmacological experiential techniques".

    According to Grof, traditional psychiatry, psychology and psychotherapy use a model of the human personality that is limited to biography and the individual consciousness, as described by Freud. This model is inadequate to describe the experiences which result from the use of psychedelics and the use of "powerful techniques", which activate and mobilize "deep unconscious and superconscious levels of the human psyche". These levels include:

    The Sensory Barrier and the Recollective-Biographical Barrier

    The Perinatal Matrices:

    BPM I: The Amniotic Universe. Maternal womb; symbiotic unity of the fetus with the maternal organism; lack of boundaries and obstructions;

    BPM II: Cosmic Engulfment and No Exit. Onset of labor; alteration of blissful connection with the mother and its pristine universe;

    BPM III: The Death-Rebirth Struggle. Movement through the birth channel and struggle for survival;

    BPM IV: The Death-Rebirth Experience. Birth and release.

    The Transpersonal Dimensions of the Psyche

    Ego death appears in the fourth Perinatal Matrix. This matrix is related to the stage of delivery, the actual birth of the child. The build up of tension, pain and anxiety is suddenly released. The symbolic counterpart is the Death-Rebirth Experience, in which the individual may have a strong feeling of impending catastrophe, and may be desperately struggling to stop this process. The transition from BPM III to BPM IV may involve a sense of total annihilation:

    This experience of ego death seems to entail an instant merciless destruction of all previous reference points in the life of the individual.

    According to Grof what dies in this process is "a basically paranoid attitude toward the world which reflects the negative experience of the subject during childbirth and later." When experienced in its final and most complete form, "... ego death means an irreversible end to one's philosophical identification with what Alan Watts called skin-encapsulated ego."


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    Post by 99 Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:51 am

    In the fourth Perinatal Matrix, many of us out there find the courage to critically evaluate their shadow self to the point of major confrontations with "it" which indeed can cause someone to feel insurmountably traumatized on a very deep subconscious level when doing that. They call it, being in a "Spiritual Emergency" state. In fact, there are those unfortunate ones who don't survive it but the ones who do then begin to reconstruct their core "self" and become stronger every time they repeat this step over and over again throughout their lives.  Then, eventually, this integration process results in a completely life-changing awareness of your core being with the full acknowledgement that nothing else can dwell there; just you and who and what you were meant to be.

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