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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

    ............



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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:01 pm

    It’s been a fun journey to nowhere and back

    I will get off the stage now and let the next round of muppets figure out there is nothing to figure out

    Oh wait sorry....the truth....figure out the truth I mean

    We are the truth that there is no truth

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    Post by mion Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:48 pm

    99 wrote:Some of what you post here is really sick Smelly.... in those cases I am deleting the entire post.

    That's my boy!
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    Post by 99 Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:13 am

    Aaron wrote:
    I will get off the stage now and let the next round of muppets figure out there is nothing to figure out




    Thanks for your notification on this and best of luck to you in your future endeavors.  Also, if you could hold on a bit while we contact security to escort you out the door, that would be great!
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:38 am

    99,

    I thank you for your help and patience.  


    What we have here is mostly just a re-enactment of Golgotha.

    The three of us are left twisting in the wind.

    The bystanders are making bets.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:39 am

    Or are we the truth that there is truth?

    Is the person half dead or half alive?

    Joni saw it from both sides

    Dan had his own reinactment in the 70s

    He didn’t have anyone to even communicate his experience with for 15 years until he met Ron

    It’s no wonder he is the SoT now
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:45 am

    Aaron,

    Either we are freaks of nature, or we are witnesses to some sort of truth.

    I have no proof, but I do have a modicum of faith.

    You, smelly and me could just as well be the three stooges.

    We are twisting in the wind.  

    Aaron and are are waiting and watching.  

    smelly has given up watching.  

    I’m saying..... look, guys, if we can’t be with the one we love, we’re just gonna have love the ones we’re with.  



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:53 am

    dan wrote:

    I’m saying..... look, guys, if we can’t be with the one we love, we’re just gonna have love the ones we’re with.  

    (cont.......)

    I love this!

    Thanks Dan!

    My body will get old and return to dust someday...in the meantime might as well love the ones we are with
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:38 am

    I can’t turn my head away from this place

    I don’t know what it means

    I have no messages or missions

    I enjoy watching people realize they are really just fine

    I enjoy being with the Queen of Heaven

    I even enjoy jousting with Dan

    I enjoy confusing the plans of the wise

    I fly 100% by wire

    The world has become translucent

    I see another world

    All I can say about my life

    Is when I saw the new world

    I didn’t turn away

    Straight on
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    Post by U Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:21 am

    Bwahahahahahahahaha

    https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/tom-delonge-history-channel-mini-series-unidentified-ufo-807180/


    "Along with DeLonge and Elizondo, Unidentified will feature other members of the To the Stars Academy, which DeLonge founded in 2015 to enable researchers to explore the “outer edges of science” and technology. These include Chris Mellon, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and Intelligence, Hal Puthoff, a CIA researcher and quantum physicist and Jim Simian, a retired CIA intelligence service member."

    It's Jim Simian guys, look out! Who's Jim Simian!? I've never heard of him! Is he a new member? Bwahahahahahaha!





    I need to quit while I'm ahead, good luck on the disclosure everybody, I hope you pull it off, I really do!
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    Post by whoknows Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:28 am

    I had to laugh.

    Leaky old hippies at least leave fertilizer behind.

    Then I saw it. smelly farting goats just pollute the atmosphere it seems.

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    Post by whoknows Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:31 am

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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:46 am

    We’re working on the succession problem.

    In as much as we need a successor, as of it would have to be Aaron.

    He’s the only one who applied.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:21 am

    I'm saving SoT v 2.0 for my retirement years.

    I just watched the Netflix documentary The Dawn Wall.

    I feel inspired to go learn how to rock climb and be a mountaineer....complete my goat training.

    Blogging can wait patiently

    I'm still young....so much I have left to explore

    Plus I have 3 kids under 4 and a full time job which sometimes I wonder if they are gonna get rid of me for my lack of productivity these days
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:40 pm

    Yes, Aaron try to hang onto your day job.  

    Given the SWH, the strategy would be to outsource it as quickly as possible.

    The main job would be political, in nature...... helping to resolve personal conflicts, through local councils of those with philosophical insights.  

    A principal part of this would the adjudication of portal access.  This is presently in the personal jurisdiction of the Princess.  There would need to be an increasing degree of systematic and coordinated oversight.  

    The portals are presently very subjective.  The ones that come into public purview do require acquiescence from the Princess, by way of interpersonal entanglement.  Presumably, I am somehow involved in the process, quite unwittingly.  

    As that part of the entanglement comes more into view, presumably it could be delegated, in coordination with the Princess.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:56 pm

    whoknows wrote:I had to laugh.

    Leaky old hippies at least leave fertilizer behind.

    Then I saw it. smelly farting goats just pollute the atmosphere it seems.

    Razz

    Hehe

    We need all leaky hippie muppets we can get.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:56 pm

    Understood

    Makes sense to me

    I'll continue working at a local level as time allows and drop in here with any pertinent information or updates


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:57 pm

    dan wrote:We’re working on the succession problem.  

    In as much as we need a successor, as of it would have to be Aaron.  

    He’s the only one who applied.

    May the invisible god help us!!

    Oh lord
    Oh my sweet lord
    Oh my sweet sweet lord

    See, I have nothing to do, so it’s all finished.
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:08 pm

    Thank you, smelly, for your preliminary, oh so tentative, blessings, as we take the first faltering steps.

    Actually, Aaron has previously coordinated some portal work with the Princess, so I am simply giving my blessing to a fait accompli.  


    smelly,

    At least half the world consists of quasi nihilists.  You are doing a superb job of representing their concerns to us.

    The philosophy of personalism has been and will be exploited by the few over the many, often in the name of traditional religion.  That is a problem to be vigilant about, but that potential for exploitation cannot be used to excuse inaction.  

    We cannot live with personalism, and we can’t live without it.

    Democracy....... we are stuck with it. A much greater understanding of personalism could go a long way toward mitigating the most obvious vulnerabilities of democracies.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:33 pm

    I always do a superb job.

    I’m a natural at being a human being.

    There is no name for what this is really.

    Only non-directed action when action is needed is how it happens.

    Human is just the simplest of abstractions.

    Imagine all the systems of the body reflecting what is and all of nature reflecting what is.

    There is an inner to the what is and an outer.

    You don’t see or feel your guts working when optimal.

    Same for the what is.

    You think your small minds can in any way usurp what is?

    You appear by the grace of what is.

    A little humility maybe.

    You don’t nor will you ever see the whole picture.

    No one can.

    So enjoy your part as you like.

    Thankfully OMF is the full extent of my participation.

    I have seen little evidence of Human Beings wherever I go, just self involved talking space monkeys wherever you look.

    I think I got off at the wrong cosmic bus stop.
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:58 pm

    Usurping what is............?

    We, and our foibles, are part of what is...... our ambitions and agendas have always been a significant part of Nature.  We can’t just waive them out of existence.  

    We learn to better understand them....... to tame them...... to redirect them, when necessary, to be more in alignment with the vital force.

    .... more in alignment with Eternity, if you will.  

    A major role for our more holistic understanding (of truth) will be to reconfigure and redirect the unmistakably humanistic aspirations already evident in the scientific enterprise.  


    6:10......

    We, all too readily conflate individualism with personalism.  

    Yes, the former is a side effect of the latter.  Communism is an attempt to correct that symptom externally.... behaviorally.  

    No.  Individualism is the result of our confusion about our place in the world..... or lack thereof...... this world being our home away from home. We must learn how to integrate these two worlds.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:08 pm

    dan wrote:Usurping what is............?

    We, and our foibles, are part of what is...... our ambitions and agendas have always been a significant part of Nature.  We can’t just waive them out of existence.  

    We learn to better understand them....... to tame them...... to redirect them, when necessary, to be more in alignment with the vital force.

    .... more in alignment with Eternity, if you will.  

    A major role for our more holistic understanding (of truth) will be to reconfigure and redirect the unmistakably humanistic aspirations already evident in the scientific enterprise.  



    (cont.......)

    I disagree we can’t align our will with nature.

    How do we learn this?

    By observing our environment inside and out.

    And apply least effort and privilege.

    I believe we are bumping up against humanity’s will to power here, personally, I don’t seek to dominate my life.

    I sync with my life as it happens.

    I don’t know any other way to do it.

    The world isn’t here to be conquered by me.

    I don’t want to make it into anything more than it is.

    What is is more than enough, no?

    You are lacking something?

    Remember your Sufi training Luke.

    Trust the force Luke.
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:23 pm

    Our will to power........  is the effect of our collective misunderstanding of our mission here.

    Yes, the world is here for us..... But not for us to conquer.  

    It is here to enable us to conquer ourselves.  

    We have met ‘enemy’, and they are Us.  

    The world..... creation has served its purpose for us.  

    Our Sojourn is complete.  

    We bring our hard won knowledge, mostly of ourselves, back to our Source, where will come to know our whole selves, for the first time

    Portals play a crucial role in the reintegration of ourselves..... after our precipitous disintegration.

    Yes, dreams and altered states are a crucial path to our unconscious.

    The royal road to our collective unconscious is via the Princess, and the interpersonal paths that constitute her Hive.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:36 pm

    Paul to the Galatians

    Chapter 6

    7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:58 pm

    Aaron,

    This chapter is also about circumcision........ where Paul recommends ‘circumcision’ of the spirit, over that of the flesh.

    Our job is bridge the worlds of nature and super nature....... now that we have established our foothold on the Earth

    I say this with the full knowledge that there never was actually a disjoinder.

    We are simply completing the best possible singular circuit..... of creation. We could do no less.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:16 pm

    Maybe Smelly is scared of the thought of scissors...


    Yes Dan, completing the CTC is inevitable

    Our cosmic bootstrap is written in the stars

    We wouldn't want our boots to fall off prematurely...before we made it back home


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