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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

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    Post by dan Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:23 pm

    Aaron,

    The Jim Newman talk is rather good.

    He is saying that all is perfection.

    You are saying that all is nothing.

    You guys had better get your stories straight.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:03 pm

    All is perfect and all is nothing

    "What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

    -Jim Newman

    Right off his website here

    http://www.simply-this.com/essays

    But it doesn't matter...

    My words are as meaningless as your words.

    The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

    There is nothing that is separate

    Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

    What is is everything and everything is what is

    What is, is nothing arising

    In other words, nothing is happening

    Just this
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:34 pm

    Happiness
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:35 pm

    Aaron wrote:All is perfect and all is nothing

    "What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

    -Jim Newman

    Right off his website here

    http://www.simply-this.com/essays

    But it doesn't matter...

    My words are as meaningless as your words.

    The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

    There is nothing that is separate

    Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

    What is is everything and everything is what is

    What is, is nothing arising

    In other words, nothing is happening

    Just this

    Try being original and spontaneous with your own voice...or don’t.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:36 pm

    Dan, Aaron is in the spin cycle.

    He might stabilize.

    He might not.

    Same difference.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:06 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Aaron wrote:All is perfect and all is nothing

    "What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

    -Jim Newman

    Right off his website here

    http://www.simply-this.com/essays

    But it doesn't matter...

    My words are as meaningless as your words.

    The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

    There is nothing that is separate

    Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

    What is is everything and everything is what is

    What is, is nothing arising

    In other words, nothing is happening

    Just this

    Try being original and spontaneous with your own voice...or don’t.

    There is no “my own voice” because there is no me.

    There is voice seeming to happen.

    There is no need to be anything other than what is

    It doesn’t matter if this apparent voice appears to be original or not

    “Own voice” is a meaningless concept

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    Post by SurfBum Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:08 pm

    smelly wrote:Dan, Aaron is in the spin cycle.

    He might stabilize.

    He might not.

    Same difference.

    Actually Aaron is nowhere

    There are actually no individual persons

    Nothing is happening to no one

    There is nothing/no one that needs stabilizing
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:51 am

    See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

    Blah blah

    Nothing

    Nowhere

    Blah

    In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.
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    Post by 99 Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:14 am

    I think, in the name of peace and harmony between members here and which philosophic viewpoints they believe to be true as opposed to someone else's philosophic POV they don't support is to instead focus on those common threads that run through all of those POV's instead of their differences.

    So to get the ball rolling on this, allow me to start off this list:
    1) 99% of those favorite philosophers cited in their posts that originated those ideas they believe to be true is that they are all dead.

    2) Confucius and Buddha were both fat and there are a number of other philosophers who were fat too. So for this reason, I would qualify obesity as a somewhat common thread that runs through this demographic.... at least for some of the top VIP's on this list.

    3) A good many of those famous philosophers  suffered from mental illness e.g. bipolar illness, depression, substance abuse etc.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:26 am

    smelly wrote:See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

    Blah blah

    Nothing

    Nowhere

    Blah

    In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.


    No one is useful because there is no meaning or purpose to existence

    There is just what is

    complete freedom

    Indescribable is-ness happening

    If you say “useful/useless” then that would imply there is someone or something for “useful/useless” to apply to.

    Useful for who?

    There is no one for anything to be useful for.

    There is no subject object

    Just this

    Persons aren’t real
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    Post by 99 Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:44 am

    Aaron is a true nihilist if there ever was one... like Nietzsche, for example, who once said, "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back at you". He suffered from tertiary syphilis, bipolar illness, psychotic episodes and frontotemporal dementia. He died in a padded cell in an insane asylum.
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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:56 am

    99,

    Aaron is a young person exploring....... let him continue.  Eventually he will light upon the best possible philosophy.  

    As to your ideal of philosophical harmony....... I think you are the first person ever to propose such an absurdity.  

    And besides, this is my thread.  Everyone is on this thread as my guest, including you, 99.

    I am on the OMF forum as the guest of Cyrellys.  

    Various of us have, from time to time, tried to kick smelly off the thread and off the forum, but to no apparent avail.  

    I’m here to demonstrate that there is only one philosophy, the best possible one, because only one is possible....... only one makes a lick of sense.



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:02 am

    Nihlism is something else entirely.

    This communication is beyond any concepts or labels

    Nihlism is a human made construct.

    Are animals nihlists?

    This is pointing to non dualism.

    Aaron is not a nihlist

    There is no Aaron to take a position on anything

    You are talking about subject object when you say Aaron is a nihlist

    There is no real subject object

    There is just these words happening and they have no meaning or purpose

    Just this

    Glorious emptyness apparently happening

    Smile


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    Post by 99 Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:03 am

    Dan,
    The harmony thing is absurd and I agree with you on that. I guess I just thought some would find  it amusing that  I even brought that up. 

    Also, I will abide by your suggestion to take on a few more sensitivity chips when expressing my thoughts about any members here and those paradigms they are operating in.

    Also, your BPWH is, of course, the best out of all of them!


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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:05 am

    Anyway....

    I'll let y'all continue with the best possible philosophy now.

    Enjoy!

    Smile
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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:10 am

    99,

    Thank you.  Stick around, and will have some fun with the non-dualists muppets.  


    Aaron,

    The fact is that you do respond to your name, and no one else does.  How are we going to explain them apples?  

    Non dualism is a poor man’s immaterialism.  Why not follow that logic to the spiritual riches that it entails?  Spiritual capitalism is not a zero sum game.  We will all end up being Daddy Warbucks in Heaven.  



    Yes, the best possible philosophy is like a tree falling in the forest that no one can hear.

    Well I guess I can hear it, but no one else does. This may an historical case of the NIH syndrome....... not invented here.



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:22 am

    There is nothing to explain

    Responding to a name just happens

    There is no one responding though

    That there is a separate person who has free will and choice to either respond or not respond is an illusion

    An apparent person calls the name Aaron and an apparent response just happens

    It’s like no one just watching a movie happen

    The movie called life is just happening to no one
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    Post by vortimond Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:23 am

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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:35 am

    Vortimond,

    Your right about that....... non intervention.

    But that does not mean that we can opt out of the game of life.  

    Some may try to take their own lives, but end up right back in the thick of it, and usually worse off than they were before.  Eventually they get the hang of it.  

    Another reason people don’t like to think about the best possible philosophy is that it has an eschatological ring to it....... all ye, all ye in free.  Kids avoid bedtime, at all cost.  

    Kids can just never get enough of life. And we’re all kids at heart.


    And why can’t this dream go on forever.....?

    Because there has to be a best possible dream. All good stories have an ending. The perfect ending is built into the perfect story. You can’t start a story if you don’t already have an ending in mind. The reader would just put the book down.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:35 am

    Aaron wrote:
    smelly wrote:See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

    Blah blah

    Nothing

    Nowhere

    Blah

    In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.


    No one is useful because there is no meaning or purpose to existence

    There is just what is

    complete freedom

    Indescribable is-ness happening

    If you say “useful/useless” then that would imply there is someone or something for “useful/useless” to apply to.

    Useful for who?

    There is no one for anything to be useful for.

    There is no subject object

    Just this

    Persons aren’t real

    Happiness
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:37 am

    99 wrote:Aaron is a true nihilist if there ever was one... like Nietzsche, for example, who once said, "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back at you". He suffered from tertiary syphilis, bipolar illness, psychotic episodes and frontotemporal dementia. He died in a padded cell in an insane asylum.

    He’s a fake pretender just trying to mess up the flow.

    He never starts good flows here.

    He only muddys the water.

    Typical pretender.

    Gotta kill them in the light of Happiness.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:40 am

    dan wrote:99,

    Aaron is a young person exploring....... let him continue.  Eventually he will light upon the best possible philosophy.  

    As to your ideal of philosophical harmony....... I think you are the first person ever to propose such an absurdity.  

    And besides, this is my thread.  Everyone is on this thread as my guest, including you, 99.

    I am on the OMF forum as the guest of Cyrellys.  

    Various of us have, from time to time, tried to kick smelly off the thread and off the forum, but to no apparent avail.  

    I’m here to demonstrate that there is only one philosophy, the best possible one, because only one is possible....... only one makes a lick of sense.  



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:44 am

    I'm not trying to do anything

    Good flow is all there is

    The universe is nothing but completely free flowing is ness
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:45 am

    vortimond wrote:Love to you all. I'm the one who saw most of the old mysteries repeated again. The choice was made and the answer is to be. Let's make this world age a good one. The way to do it is to intervene without doing much intervention. Thank you.

    Wei Wu Wei

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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:51 am

    Aaron and smelly,

    Both of you struggle to be Eschaton deniers.  

    There is nothing shameful in that.  

    You have many more years of life left.  How can you go with gusto, if you know the End is just around the corner?  

    But wait.......

    Don’t the propheteers go with more gusto than the mystics who contemplate their navels on a mountain top?



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