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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

    ............



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:54 am

    There is no end to what is....no begining either
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:56 am

    dan wrote:Aaron and smelly,

    Both of you struggle to be Eschaton deniers.  

    There is nothing shameful in that.  

    You have many more years of life left.  How can you go with gusto, if you know the End is just around the corner?  

    But wait.......

    Don’t the propheteers go with more gusto than the mystics who contemplate their navels on a mountain top?  



    (cont.......)

    I don’t deny or acknowledge any prophesy.

    I am amused by your hold on them and their hold on you.

    All such religious notions are false and materialistic.

    There is only what’s here.

    And there isn’t really anything to say about it.

    That’s just the ground state.

    Nothing else but this is needed.

    Nothing is needed.

    I love my impending death.

    It’s not depressing at all.

    It’s happy happy joy joy.

    Amor Fati


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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:59 am

    Aaron,

    As usual, you are not listening.........

    In the best possible world world, we get to have our cake, and eat it, too.

    The harmony that 99 is looking for is only possible in the ending, when we realize that we’re all part of the same story..... the one with the best possible ending.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:01 am

    We know where you stand Dan.

    I have no comment or questions.
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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:04 am

    Hallelujah, sports fans.......

    I’ve finally left smelly wordless...... as if that were possible.

    Human reason is finally given its due, by the best possible obstinate muppet.

    Thank you, smelly...... I’ll let you have a break, now......



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:05 am

    Bahahahahahahaha

    I only use words with you to pass the time.

    The essence and true happiness of the experience is in the Being.

    Not the words.

    They are meaningless really.

    This is happening.

    The best response for me I feel is to just Be with it.


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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:09 am

    Brothers and sisters,

    Is this ever happening.......

    This is the best possible Disclosure.

    Everything that is not about Disclosure just dries up and blows away.
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    Post by dan Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:14 am

    Yes, brothers and sisters.......

    Now we can all just _Be_ with the best possible world.  

    We can even sing its praises, from time to time......

    You know...... choirs of angels......
    ........


    Oh, dear,  

    What is this going to do to Disclosure......?  

    Will we get a rain check......?

    Did smelly finally manage to rain on our Disclosure parade?  

    Good for you, smelly.  

    But how are we going to get the word out that Disclosure has been called off?  

    Hey, maybe I was the last person in the world to figure this out, thanks to smelly’s extreme patience....... he thought I’d never get it.  

    I was the last person to get the Memo.  

    Doesn’t that call for a celebration?  


    The Princess must figure in here, somewhere......

    She is the one with and without the pod.  The Princess and the pea (pod).  

    It was all just in our heads.  



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:19 am

    It was all in our heads until it was off with our heads

    Then it was recognized that there were never any heads to begin with.

    Just this

    What is

    Mmmmmm

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:06 pm

    Happiness

    ...

    “The Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” – Benjamin Franklin

    But it is the pursuit of Happiness that robs one of Happiness.

    I would characterize normal life as overlooking our best possible world and its full implications.

    But in acceptance of what is, we are Being.

    They had to motivate us and befool us with a little reality sprinkled in.

    That one word can contain so much and nothing.

    One must look into and through words.

    Seek their source and original symbol if possible.

    Over time, things drift, but chance always brings us back to center, not to chaos.

    That’s a big big clue to being.

    The ‘so much’ emanates from the nothing.

    Both are part of reality.

    “Hap is the Old Norse and Old English root of happiness, and it just means luck or chance, as did the Old French heur, giving us bonheur, good fortune or happiness. German gives us the word Gluck, which to this day means both happiness and chance.”

    I mean it that the sponatanous chance of being is Happiness.

    Being is the reward, this illuminates suffering when the person’s history dissolves.

    In that flash, all is gone and new.

    “The Greek word eudaimonia means literally “the state of having a good indwelling spirit, a good genius”; and “happiness” is not at all an adequate translation of this word. Happiness, indeed, is usually thought of as a state of mind that results from or accompanies some actions.”

    This is Daimon territory.

    Zen transcends the moral good and bad.

    Happiness is not a feeling.

    It is Being with what is as Being.

    It is the full expression and connection to Being as a Being.

    Wonderful.

    Happiness isn’t something we are waiting for or is in the future.

    Don’t wait for happiness. Seize it.

    “If you want to be happy, be.” – Leo Tolstoy

    “Man is fond of counting his troubles, but he does not count his joys. If he counted them up as he ought to, he would see that every lot has enough happiness provided for it.” – Fyodor Dostoevsky

    I had to take an account of my life.

    I still want to run from pain, but now I face it, with rage and peace.

    My joy far outweighs the temporary pain of living.

    And only I know this for my self really, in that I don’t need to know, I can just let it all be.

    Happy happy joy joy then every moment.

    Life is more an ecstatic ever happening orgasm to me.

    Even when that asshole comes knocking.

    Or the drunk.

    Or the bitch.

    Or the sage.

    Or the fool.

    What better words could there be for Being this than Happiness and Joy with an occasional ‘son of a bitch’ or ‘fuck me’ thrown in for spice.

    So let slip the dogs of war on our ignorance.

    Of course I will always need a little help from my friends...and enemies.



    It all points to there being no point but to just be here with this as this.

    So we could say we were meant to be here from the beginning.

    And when you experience that.

    Happy happy joy joy.

    And when you forget, ouch.

    Isn’t that enough?

    I’ve gone in a circle again, I’m always doing that it seems.



    Naked and Baked Under the Stars



    The music helps if chemical depression beguiles you.

    Da Ganja can do wonders for that as well.

    Seek medical help if it’s just too much.

    But Happiness is oozing out of every part of your life.

    Is too much Happiness a bad thing?

    Try it and you may begin to feel a floaty feelin.

    I’d go with that.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:03 pm

    There are no sides.

    No one has the power to change anything.

    Nothing can be changed.

    Our reality emerges through change.

    No one could be here on a side Wink

    Sides are illusions, games.

    No thought or action is involved in happy happy joy joy.

    There is no ‘But’ to Being.

    There is just Being who you are now with all that is.

    Words and thoughts are always just an echo of Being.

    Never a cause.

    Being is causeless and timeless with a dimension of time we appear in.

    What can be said about timeless nothing as time?

    Kinda silly.

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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:58 pm


    Wink

    I still keep up with appearances outside of OMF.

    Outside of OMF I seem to just continue living my normal life.

    Smelly said something about depression and getting help.

    Did I really come off that bad this morning?

    I'm sure he wasn't talking about me.

    Lol

    My apparent self is not depressed....


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    Post by vortimond Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:03 pm

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:09 pm

    You can do what you like as can everyone else.

    But no one is doing anything.

    You can shout and sing and dance and cry.

    It’s just dust.

    As far as what people like or don’t like.

    Irrelevant.


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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:09 pm

    vortimond wrote:I know that. But you can't talk about the logos. What can you say about it? It's nothing really.

    Wink

    True

    Nothing to say and nothing needed to say

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:11 pm

    Do as you like and let the world form as it likes.

    Happiness

    When the sages say nothing is needed, they don’t mean do nothing, say nothing.

    They say what we are at ground is not dependent on anything outside of us.

    Westerners who learn this typically go around saying nothing is needed, nothing is needed from their finite mind instead of just spontaneously being.

    There are no preferences or apologies needed.

    Shit is happening.

    Being just acts and does what’s needed when needed and rests until then.

    We apparently happen in between.

    Youth is nice.

    I was giving a general disclaimer before Aaron.

    But it should be telling to you how you responded.

    What you respond to, is where your work is, if you take it up to pass the time.

    It doesn’t matter really, it all will work out.

    A primary feature of the Twilight Zone, I mean the best possible world.


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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:21 pm

    Okay Smelly

    Lol



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:24 pm

    Or overlook it all.

    Who the fuck cares?

    Who could care?

    No one does care.

    Bark bark bark
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:29 pm

    Happiness
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:36 pm

    Happy Happy Joy Joy
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:56 pm

    Someone asked, "When you do not carry a single thing with you, how is it then?"

    Joshu said, "Put it down!"

    ...

    Joshu preached to the people. He said: "I do not like to hear the word Buddha."

    A monk asked, "Master, do you work for the sake of the people?"

    Joshu said, "Buddha, Buddha."

    ...

    A monk asked, "Detached from 'now,' what is it [Zen]-directly, to the point?"

    Joshu said, "If you cut out 'now,' you should not ask about it."

    The monk said, "What is it-directly, to the point?"

    Joshu said, "I told you, you shouldn't ask."

    The monk said, "How can one see it?"

    Joshu said, "The great has no outside; the small has no inside."

    When it is just it, without even the slightest consciousness of "here" and "now," it clearly has no dimensions at all. How can one point at it?

    Pointless Happy Happy Joy Joy



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    Post by 99 Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:36 am

    Dan wrote:But how are we going to get the word out that Disclosure has been called off? 

    IMHO, Disclosure has not been called off in any way, shape or form but the esteemed Richard Dolan just came out with a new YouTube vid saying... 


    "We are in an era of tightening censorship and deplatforming of ideas that are unwelcome to the corporations and power elite at the top of our social and political hierarchy. At the same time, the UFO subject continues to slip out, more and more, into our public discourse."






    Sorry Dan but this is one of those few times when I have to disagree with you. I think Dolan is right on the mark on this one.
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    Post by 99 Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:19 am

    As for the Princess.... she's a very intelligent and exceptional young lady who is wise beyond her years and I know this with absolute certainty. I can't see that she's in total agreement with all of  her husband's opinions and beliefs on things and because she's so wise, their relationship must fall somewhere within the spectrum of what Kahil Gibran said about marriage: 

    "Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.
    For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
    And stand together yet not too near together:
    For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
    And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow."


    But in any case, if she's distancing herself right now from this forum .... and you, I'm sure her reasons are good ones ... maybe even having to do with the protection of her family.... Just my opinion and nothing more. but thought I'd comment on it anyway. 

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