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Post by FatThorDude Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

“Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.”

—Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:41 am

“That is true which works.” —William James

“James investigated mystical experiences throughout his life, leading him to experiment with chloral hydrate (1870), amyl nitrite (1875), nitrous oxide (1882), and peyote (1896).[citation needed] James claimed that it was only when he was under the influence of nitrous oxide that he was able to understand Hegel. He concluded that while the revelations of the mystic hold true, they hold true only for the mystic; for others, they are certainly ideas to be considered, but can hold no claim to truth without personal experience of such. American Philosophy: An Encyclopedia classes him as one of several figures who "took a more pantheist or pandeist approach by rejecting views of God as separate from the world."

Mysticism

William James provided a description of the mystical experience, in his famous collection of lectures published in 1902 as The Varieties of Religious Experience. These criteria are as follows

Passivity – a feeling of being grasped and held by a superior power not under your own control.
Ineffability – no adequate way to use human language to describe the experience.
Noetic – universal truths revealed that are unable to be acquired anywhere else.
Transient – the mystical experience is only a temporary experience.

James's preference was to focus on human experience, leading to his research of the subconscious. This was the entryway for the awakening transformation of mystical states. Mystical states represent the peak of religious experience. This helped open James's inner process to self-discovery.”
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:54 am

We float in a kosmos filled with dark matter and we don’t know what it is.

Our inner world is as dark and mysterious to us as dark matter.

What do we know?

Ha!

And idiots go around quoting Bible verses as if they know.

What a bunch fuckin morons on earth.

Be kind.

Relax.

That’s all.
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Post by FatThorDude Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:26 pm

I think we should 🔥 all our maps, erase the board and then really have some fun.

Whoops, I already did 🐐

Tic tacs?

Pfffffffft.

Having way too much fun to give a Dan about much Wink

“I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him.”

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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:49 pm

Writing in time records the phase of intellectual and emotional experience through which the writer was passing at the time.

I have done my best to be true to the Camera Obscura images I found along the way.

I can't read a writer who never changes their mind, why write the same thing over and over, mental disease?

"all religious thought and speech are through and through symbolic".

I am challenged by the concepts of time and eternity one finds in the writings of others on religion, which intersect but do not contradict each other they say.

I can't speak about eternity or the next minute even.

What arrogance for one to imagine or even speak of eternity.

We live in time.

If part of us be eternal, it is not important it seems for us to know this, for we are not.

It is poetry when one speaks of a spirit, soul, essence.

But it's not always meant that way, often these topics are presented as truth.

Mysticism seems everywhere, what is it, maybe "the apprehension of an ultimate nonsensuous unity in all things".

Your moment of Zen?

Quiet contemplation?

Unity with the world around you?

All of the above?

Mystical experience can and should be distinguished from its interpretation, Walter Stace suggested.

"He makes a distinction between extrovertive and introvertive mystical experience. In the former, the mystic perceives the unity in "the multiplicity of external material objects", while in the latter the mystic perceives the One within the depths of her consciousness "as the wholly naked One devoid of any plurality whatever".

"Stace also looks at whether mystical experience can be considered objective or subjective, and considers whether the relationship between God and the world should properly be considered pantheism, dualism or something else. He examines mysticism, logic and language, and concludes that the laws of logic do not apply to mysticism and that mystical experience is paradoxical but not ineffable (a development in his thought from Time and Eternity). Finally, Stace says he does not wish to be drawn into a battle of prejudices as to whether or not mysticism contributes to the moral good.

...

Stace characterised his philosophy of mysticism as the examination of whether mystical experience is subjective or objective, that is whether it is imagined or real. Again he turns to the Mandukya Upanishad for his definition of mysticism, and identifies the realisation the personal self is identical with the infinite Self at the core of the experience. Although there are three causes for this (loss of individuality; transcending space and time; feeling of peace and bliss) these are not logical reasons. Further he holds that the unanimity of mystical experience across cultures is not an argument for its objectivity, as illusions can be found in all peoples and cultures. That mystical experience is found in all cultures indicates that it is a part of human nature. Next Stace asks how we can say if something is objective. He defines the most important criteria for determining objectivity as 'orderliness' - or keeping in order with the laws of nature - rather than verifiability. Mystical experience is neither orderly nor disorderly, so cannot be classed as either subjective or objective. Stace terms this "transsubjective" (because the notions of subjective and objective do not apply to the infinite)."
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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:47 pm

"One of man's most important mistakes, one which must be remembered, is his illusion in regard to his I.

Man such as we know him, the ‘man-machine,’ the man who cannot ‘do,’ and with whom and through whom everything ‘happens,’ cannot have a permanent and single I. His I changes as quickly as his thoughts, feelings and moods, and he makes a profound mistake in considering himself always one and the same person; in reality he is always a different person, not the one he was a moment ago."

--G. I. Gurdjieff

Chuang Tzu And The Butterfly

Chuang Tzu in dream became a butterfly,
And the butterfly became Chuang Tzu at waking.
Which was the real—the butterfly or the man ?
Who can tell the end of the endless changes of things?
The water that flows into the depth of the distant sea
Returns anon to the shallows of a transparent stream.
The man, raising melons outside the green gate of the city,
Was once the Prince of the East Hill.
So must rank and riches vanish.
You know it, still you toil and toil,—what for?

--Li Po

Bluebird

there's a bluebird in my heart that
wants to get out
but I'm too tough for him,
I say, stay in there, I'm not going
to let anybody see
you.
there's a bluebird in my heart that
wants to get out
but I pour whiskey on him and inhale
cigarette smoke
and the whores and the bartenders
and the grocery clerks
never know that
he's
in there.

there's a bluebird in my heart that
wants to get out
but I'm too tough for him,
I say,
stay down, do you want to mess
me up?
you want to screw up the
works?
you want to blow my book sales in
Europe?
there's a bluebird in my heart that
wants to get out
but I'm too clever, I only let him out
at night sometimes
when everybody's asleep.
I say, I know that you're there,
so don't be
sad.
then I put him back,
but he's singing a little
in there, I haven't quite let him
die
and we sleep together like
that
with our
secret pact
and it's nice enough to
make a man
weep, but I don't
weep, do
you?

--Bukowski

Sonnet 116: 'Let me not to the marriage of true minds...'

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

--Shakespeare
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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:21 pm

"Man has no permanent and unchangeable I. Every thought, every mood, every desire, every sensation, says ‘I.’ And in each case it seems to be taken for granted that this I belongs to the Whole, to the whole man, and that a thought, a desire, or an aversion is expressed by this Whole. In actual fact there is no foundation whatsoever for this assumption. Man’s every thought and desire appears and lives quite separately and independently of the Whole. And the Whole never expresses itself, for the simple reason that it exists, as such, only physically as a thing, and in the abstract as a concept.

Man has no individual I. But there are, instead, hundreds and thousands of separate small I’s, very often entirely unknown to one another, never coming into contact, or, on the contrary, hostile to each other, mutually exclusive and incompatible. Each minute, each moment, man is saying or thinking, ‘I.’ And each time his I is different. Just now it was a thought, now it is a desire, now a sensation, now another thought, and so on, endlessly. Man is a plurality. Man’s name is legion.

Try to understand that what you usually call "I" is not I; there are many “I’s” and each “I” has a different wish. Try to verify this. You wish to change, but which part of you has this wish? Many parts of you want many things, but only one part is real. It will be very useful for you to try to be sincere with yourself. Sincerity is the key which will open the door through which you will see your separate parts, and you will see something quite new. You must go on trying to be sincere. Each day you put on a mask, and you must take it off little by little."

--G. I. Gurdjieff
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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:32 pm

A poem about Love...

The River Cannot Go Back

--Kahlil Gibran

It is said that before entering the sea
a river trembles with fear.
She looks back at the path she has traveled,
from the peaks of the mountains,
the long winding road crossing forests and villages.
And in front of her,
she sees an ocean so vast,
that to enter
there seems nothing more than to disappear forever.
But there is no other way.
The river can not go back.
Nobody can go back.
To go back is impossible in existence.
The river needs to take the risk
of entering the ocean
because only then will fear disappear,
because that’s where the river will know
it’s not about disappearing into the ocean,
but of becoming the ocean.
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Post by FatThorDude Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:56 pm

Consciousness, our most immediate experience of the implicate order?

Nets of consciousness capture finer and finer aspects of the underlying whole.

An implicit intelligence unfolds.

We can’t imagine it or we would restrict it.

It could not be a personal god.

That would only be a slice of it.

Heraclitus and Nietzsche felt everything is in a state of becoming.

The implication of Bohemian mechanics is that what happens in one part of the whole happens everywhere.

Holomovement.

Elementary particles are amplifiers of information stored in the quantum wave.

The parts are the abstract derivative of the whole itself.

Bohm postulated an enfolded internal relationship among things.

Thus individuality is only possible if it unfolds from wholeness.

Autonomy is limited by interaction.

Consciousness is the unending process of movement and unfoldment.

Nietzsche felt consciousness had to be developed. We fall into error to think it is fully formed.

It is a process.

Thought is conditioned.

Each with their own prejudices and fears.

Self deceptive thoughts interfere with unfoldment.

These are just programs that can be rewritten or deleted.

So one must root out these self deceptions to develop our consciousness.

Good luck separating a fool and their self deceptions.

A sign of one who is bound by self deceiving thoughts are those hiding themselves or social structures.

So we can make a mirror 🪞 using relationships with others and objects to observe the feelings and reactions of our innate and conditioned programs evoked in ourselves.

You begin to see the relationships between thought and your feelings.

These feelings mirror our programs.

This means that the source of what is happening in the world is the same as within ourselves.

Happy unfoldment.

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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:43 am

“The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.”  —Hegel

Good fortune approaches!

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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:04 pm

If you can torture yourself with self doubt and reproach, you can certainly liberate yourself with joy.
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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:19 pm

Today was a great day in many ways.

I am in awe of life really.

Yes, today was a very very good day.

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Post by U Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:28 pm

I'm dying to hear that zoom call my Dude...

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Post by hobbit Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:57 am

THE OPEN MINDS FORUM.

Imagine if You choose to, if it was possible to open the minds of humans to then radio in commands.

Magnetogenetics.

What ten commandments do You suppose may be on radio 5G, beaming direct into those injected with the enabler of such?

https://silview.media/2021/05/12/magnetogenetics-isnt-this-why-vaxxers-turn-into-fridge-doors-and-magnets-stick-on-them/

You may become a fridge door also.

Christians may be told there is no god.

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Post by FatThorDude Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:45 am

I have always been magnetic 🧲
I push people away
I like it like that
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Post by FatThorDude Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:53 pm

This is the oldest original Greek manuscript we have.

Found in a tomb with the most beautiful golden urn I could ever imagine.

400-500 bce

These Greeks had very active minds.

And liked to trip on volcanic fumes.

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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:20 pm

Nothing belongs to me
Everything comes and goes
Pushing into the unknown is scary
It’s dark in here
Experience is a brutal teacher
But you learn
My god do you learn
One prik of experience
Is worth all the theory
Ever imagined
Or spoken

Experience without theory is blind. —Kant



—I wear a crown of flowers upon my thorny head
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Post by FatThorDude Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:43 am

Paradiso 29: Saving the Appearances

The day is reborn from the night.

“By now you see the height,
you see the breadth,
of the Eternal Goodness:
It has made so many mirrors,
which divide Its light,
but, as before,
Its own Self still is One.”

Dante’s angels have no memory.

As soon as you remember you are caught by time.

We have no memories really either.

They are untrue from the perspective of eternity.

I worked with Alzheimer patients.

They have no memory.

It is like every second you have a new conversation them.

Imagine the trap we are caught in where your very sense of yourself in time is just an illusion.

Disorienting.

When you live with no memory there is only the light.

The moment you try to understand anything you have lost sight of the pleroma.

For Dante, nothing could be lost.

Divine sight is terrifying because you see all things, time collapses and the show is over.

Back to the eternal hemisphere where all things are complete.

From this dimensionless source, we are only reflections.

When I imagine what that dimensionless non space is like, I see strange images in my mind.

Like a Salvador Dali painting.

Dali painted Paradiso 29.

Dante’s visions are remarkable and ineffable.

The true artists are mad of course.

Blinded by the light or engulfed in darkness, or caught in a tug of war between the two.

Impossible beings in an impossible space.

But why something instead of nothing?

Why not infinite knowing eternally?

Why this place and space?

Why these limits?

Why these minds simulating a realty through illusion and hallucination?

All the muppets just keep moving and thinking as if they were autonomous.

Is evil just entertainment?

Like god watching its soap operas?

Hooked on the Truman show?

It seems to me Dante’s mystic poetry in Paradiso 29 describes the prideful angels trapped by gravity

They maybe became material.

Divided thought needs memory.

Dante’s angels can experience nothing new.

We are awake but dreaming.

A divided mind cannot perceive this.

What Dante describes through Beatrice is hilarious.

He describes the q anon conspiracies that are spewed out every day due to the common muppets.

Nothing has changed really.

“Therefore the ignorant sheep turn home at night from having fed on wind. Nor does the fact that the pastor sees no harm done sets things right. Christ did not say to his first congregation go and preach twaddle to the waiting world. He gave them, rather, holy truth’s foundation.”

We are still as stupid as sheep listening to cons.

“Men chase whatever promise is held forth.”

Dante detested the church selling pardons for sin and the idiots buying them. He shreds them in Paradiso 29.

“The act of loving grows from the act of recognition, the bliss of love blazes in some of these, and in some it glows.”

“Consider than how lofty and how wide is the excellence of the eternal which in so many mirrors can divide.”

It’s power and majesty forevermore,
Itself remaining one, as it was before.”

“Into the gold of the rose that blooms eternal.”
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Post by hobbit Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:04 am

"I worked with alzheimer patients"

I spent two years observing such in My own unique manner, and checking and checking each one.

We are all within the dominant field ( consciousness ) of the planet, it has a radius around the planet that extends above surface for aprox fifty miles.

It is not merely circulating , but instead it implodes and outrushes into and out again from the heart centre of the planet, all the planets memories are within such.

All so called living entities within that have their own self similar field, and all their own unique memory is within that field.

Those personal memories are written into that field from the centre outwards ( opposite to how a vinyl record is written)

Young vibrant fields relative to humans are fifty feet radius from the heart centre, those with such as alzheimers are barely detectable at all.

Thus most can recall early memories and songs, but there is no field to write new memory onto..

The dominant field of the planets implosion over outrush ratio is that which determines time and the planets field is within the stars larger dominant field.

Thus so called time is relative to the ratio between the personal and dominant field each is within.

Time is gravity and gravity is time.

The smaller ones field, the faster time seem to pass, and the less ability to overcome the dominant time/gravity field occurs until the field leaves all together ( death) and then the body will go to rest in the dominant field of the planet.

It is all by field.

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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:07 pm

Existence precedes essence.

Essence precedes existence.

Shrug.

I choose not to answer.

“My formula for human greatness is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not in the future, not in the past, not for all eternity. Not only to endure what is necessary, still less to conceal it — all idealism is falseness in the face of necessity — , but to love it...”

—Friedrich Nietzsche

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Post by U Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:30 pm

"Be attentive lest you miss the grace that passes before you, whether as small as a single birdsong or as broad as the rising sun of your own life restored. Be grateful, lest these pearls have been thrown to swine. And be ready to speak of it in the grandest or simplest words or deeds. You have not invented your own hope; it has sprung, green and living, from the grace that has rained upon you, has welled up from deepest springs, has come to you in steadfast rivers."

~ Steve Garnaas-Holmes


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Breathin is grace enough for me.

It does take a village and a lot of help from your friends.

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Post by FatThorDude Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:00 pm



Jordan is often over emotional these days.

Good discussion.

He’s struggling, respect that.



We reconnected with sensory being in the 60s and Jung was onto something big.

We cannot kill myth, nor should we, we play games.

The archetypes have been loosed.

Out of the mouth of babes.

Our religions are the great poems of humanity.



Apollo vs Dionysus.

A little bit of both.

I think this kid is possessed.

He’s channeling some deep dodo.

Funny synchronicity, I was studying pagglia and marquis de Sade and Peterson today and then this kid mentions pagglia, fucking good hit.

Strange are the waters of myth.

Consistency leads to success.

This is a participatory universe it seems to me and physics.

You are not your thoughts.

You are witness.

Only muppets are controlled by thought.

Conspiracies are a mind virus.

Heal thyself.

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