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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:01 pm

    smelly wrote:.

    But she demands full-time service or none at all. Should we quit our place in society then? Shall we turn into romantic shepherds like Don Quixote? Shall we go back to the unmechanized farm? How could I be serious if I have not given all for the chance to see.

    Wrote these last night and they stand out as I read your words:

    “Afraid of failure
    Not him but close relation
    Reduced lifestyle“

    “Tree symbolizes
    Tenured might of the wood and
    Death of a seed”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:16 pm

    We swim in the same waters.

    This is the world of the Iatromantis.

    We are walking in the same steps as our ancient selves here.

    I’m giving this a chance to set and see what comes up.

    If you are near this, it will evoke altered states of consciousness.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:47 pm

    This practice of incubation in silence seems to be like the meditation tank experience John Lily pioneered, but seems only he rediscovered it.

    I have been describing the cult of Apollo and that it was based on healing and prophecy; two features attributed to the god Apollo. A list of his sons only attests to this. In “The White Goddess” Apollo is noted to have been a king of a mouse race and he cheated his way to becoming Apollo and the God of healing.

    Asclepius is a prime example of one of Apollo’s sons. Some myths say he was a man that became a god, but he was noted for being a ‘son of Apollo’ and was associated, like his ‘father’, iconographically with the serpent. The hissing of a serpent is what is important to note – it is the hissing sound of silence and stillness (hesychia) that is obtained through the focus on the sound of silence that opens the door to another state. Asklepios had a cult of healing evolve around him and his teachings, which would be found typically in a sanctuary or Asklepion whereby the participants would come to lie down and incubate with the god and the divine in order to learn (prophecy) what to do to alleviate their situations.

    When I began to drink Ayausaca I was initiated into this group miraculously with no previous knowledge of the ancients or Magick or hermetcs, nothing. I was illiterate and I was met in the underworld by the Caduceus. This is part of my own true will as a healer. A healer of the soul. Incubation was about initiation encoded into alchemical and hermetic texts. When I first descended into the underworld it was into their plane of consciousness. They met me and helped heal me. I remember quick intense conversations with blue beings. I had my first conscious shared psychic visions there with them and my wife.

    I’ll never forget this giant blue pulsating Caduceus at the foot of the mountain. I suppose the Goddess blessed or cursed me with that vision. I feel very connected to Parmenides. I figured everything out from that one image in my unconscious. Quite amazing to me as I look back thankfully. Personally, my transformation had net positive effects across the board. I lost my family and friends, but I gained my self, that could be seen as a positive Wink

    Bahahaha

    What does all this mean in the grand scheme I can’t say. But I know I found where I come from and they brought me back to life whatever they or I really am came to me right as I was about to fail at my life, but I was spared for another day.

    I know I prepare for a day when I shall walk into the Sun.

    That is my destiny.

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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:59 pm

    Ayauasca calls me. Never had it, but I will at some point.



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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:17 pm

    smelly,

    I'm going to make a poetry book of haikus. I trust your opinion. Which one should I end with:

    "Go gently into
    The day, so when the night comes
    No rage is needed"

    or

    "Will it end in pain
    Or freedom of the Conscious
    Conscious Will decides"
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:22 pm

    smelly wrote:
    When your mind is in opposition to your True Will, you meander about confused in a fog of mind, but when the time of your Mind is synchronized with the real through your Body, you are love under will, and the Trinity is present on Earth.

    Strife is not to be detested or hated. It is the reducer and leveler of the unreal.

    I laugh aloud as I read your stuff and am instantly transported to a specific haiku I've already written, or in this case two:

    "Resisting asleep
    To face another challenge
    As the fog rolls in"

    "Allowing the strife
    Is the natural response
    Testing the edges"
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:23 am

    CW,

    Don't give your power away to that Smelly Goat.

    Trust your own opinion with confidence and own it.

    Wink
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    Post by cwallatruth Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:46 am

    Haha. I figured you or smelly would say something like that. You make a good point and I very much will, but do truly want opinions. I would appreciate yours as well.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:30 pm

    Go with your first intuition maybe cw, that’s what I do.
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    Post by cwallatruth Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:41 pm

    "Expressing feeling
    How to speak inside the skin
    True will longs for birth"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:19 pm

    Somehow without the Orphic element and active imagination you end up with a Trump or Nietzsche or a Hitler.

    They to me represent a war against the Goddess.



    There is the driving will at war with its animal nature.

    Nietzsche says the Noble man represents the incarnate will to power.

    I have embraced the Goddess and she has embraced me.

    I prefer her path to the warrior way.

    I feel the universal love and the confusion of universal fear.

    I am not in much pain or that upset with anyone in life. I don’t want to take joy in asserting my strength over the weak. I don’t want to seize power, but Nietzsche captured the natural man’s drive well. He seems to be the cruel dictator we always fear.

    It’s not black and white, to wrestle with Nietzsche is to wrestle with your darkest will to power.

    His hatred of the femine and the weak seem to me born from pain.

    But who asked harder questions?

    Who exposed more bullshit.

    Nietzsche is going to show you a big part of what being human is.

    Seeing into Nietzsche is intense and dark, no doubt, but not to be avoided I feel.

    But his going insane for whatever reason is a sign and in an old myth, he might be a prophet or an erotic.

    His is maybe a natural mania, there is a divine mania as well.

    Insanity and acceptance of the irrational might just be what the Dr. ordered when needed.

    The psyche to the ancients was just the breath which returned to its source on death.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:14 pm

    Pretty good one, Healdess Way, Stoicism, Derren Brown and Illusion, oh my.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:59 pm

    “Nothing to fear in God;
    Nothing to feel in Death;
    Good can be attained;
    Evil can be endured.”

    —Philodemus (Epicurean)
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:01 pm

    The Devil made this world when God wasn’t looking so the Gnostics say.

    Very plausible to me Wink
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:06 pm

    I love that the British privy council just decided, no more hell is needed and that was that, no more preaching of hell and the archbishop abstained.

    Bahahaha

    Legislating religion is so British and anti-American.

    But it is a look behind the curtain.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:21 pm

    It seems to me that in the Bible story of the sheeps and the goats where the goats are damned to eternal fire, that might not be a punishment at all.

    The essence is like fire, perhaps that’s how we spend eternity?!

    Fuck the sheep in the clouds. Me suspects those sheep will be the main course at their own wake.

    I don’t know, I might be biased.

    Bahahaha

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:04 pm

    Nothing beats the real thing.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:29 pm

    It’s a god damn setup.

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    Post by cwallatruth Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:04 am

    Smelly,
    The theme of poetry has rushed into my life like a freight train in the past 2 weeks. I know nothing about it. Can you recommend a short list of specific poems or poets to read that stand out in your mind?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:50 am

    I found all the poetry first with Rumi and Lao Tzu, TS Eliot, Kabir, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waites and several Zen Masters, Yeats as well.

    Parmenides and Gilgamesh are favs.

    See what resonates with you.

    I am just a layman.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:11 am

    Don't forget William Blake.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:35 am

    I figured he would discover Blake, kind of a lot to take straight on. Good to use a Blake reader with some commentary.

    But yah, Blake is like none other, a true poet of the soul.

    There are some modern poets, but I resonate with the poet who knows they are expressing contact with the ineffable.

    I love Charles Bukowski and his ilk.



    You can beat death in life, that’s the truth.

    Be a swinging human being as Alan Watts says.

    They wear the mask, as they soar in the sky and swim in the depths, all at the same time.


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