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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:03 pm

    You cannot have the crest of the wave without the trough or trough without the crest.

    We are not meant to be perfect, we are meant to be whole.

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:20 pm

    That Watts and Bukowski combo is lethal!

    Perfect videos for the Livin Your Best Life thread.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:45 pm

    Indeed, that such people lived this and spoke so clearly, gives me courage.

    They are true Genius to me.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:19 pm

    “When I see a man in a state of anxiety, I say, 'What can this man want? If he did not want something which is not in his power, how could he still be anxious?”

    —Epictetus

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/dep/dep045.htm
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 pm

    Robert Graves and the Goddess

    All saints revile her, and all sober men
    Ruled by the God Apollo’s golden mean—
    In scorn of which I sailed to find her
    In distant regions likeliest to hold her
    Whom I desired above all things to know,
    Sister of the mirage and echo...

    ROBERT GRAVES STATED THAT ‘the test of a poet’s vision ... is the accuracy of his portrayal of the White Goddess and the island over which she rules and must address only the Muse... and tell her the truth about himself and her.’

    ‘Symptoms of the trance in which poetic composition occurs differ greatly from those in an induced mediumistic trance; though both seem directed by an external power. In a poetic trance, which happens no more predictably than an epileptic fit, this power is traditionally identified with the ancient Muse-goddess.’

    A friend of his who was a poet of note, quit poetry and 20 years later explained why. I think this profound. I’ll have to pick up some of her books.

    https://www.brainpickings.org/2017/03/17/the-telling-laura-riding-jackson/

    “There is something to be told about us for the telling of which we all wait. In our unwilling ignorance we hurry to listen to stories of old human life, new human life, fancied human life, avid of something to while away the time of unanswered curiosity. Many of the lesser things concerning us have been told, but the greater things have not been told; and nothing can fill their place. Whatever we learn of what is not ourselves, but ours to know, being of our universal world, will likewise leave the emptiness an emptiness. Until the missing story of ourselves is told, nothing besides told can suffice us: we shall go on quietly craving it.”

    Hmmm, this is the way to the next level.

    Haha.

    Good job cw. Good inquiries.

    “Everywhere can be seen a waiting for words that phrase the primary sense of human-being, and with a human finality, so that the words themselves are witness to what they tell… In the eyes of all (in the opaque depths in them of unacknowledged presentness to one another) are mirrored (but scarcely discerned) concourses where our souls ever secretly assemble, in expectation of events of common understanding that continually fail to occur. We wait, all, for a story of us that shall reach to where we are. We listen for our own speaking; and we hear much that seems our speaking, yet makes us strange to ourselves.”

    She describes the yearning that burns brightest in me.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:59 pm

    Shape shifiting Celtic tales.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07FK7T66F/ref=tmm_aud_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    I’m hunting the Welsh Bards.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:43 am

    Pretty fucking good shit...

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:56 pm

    Dan, we are all our own prison warden.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:02 pm

    The Quids

    The little quids, the million quids,
    The everywhere, everything, always quids,
    The atoms of the Monoton—
    Each turned three essences where it stood
    And ground a gisty dust from its neighbors' edges
    Until a powdery thoughtfall stormed in and out,
    The cerebration of a slippery quid enterprise.
    Each quid stirred.
    The united quids
    Waved through a sinuous decision.

    The quids, that had never done anything before
    But be, be, be, be, be,
    The quids resolved to predicate
    And dissipate in a little grammar.
    Oh, the Monoton didn't care,
    For whatever they did—
    The Monoton's contributing quids—
    The Monoton would always remain the same.

    A quid here and there gyrated in place-position,
    While many essential quids turned inside-out
    For the fun of it
    And a few refused to be anything but
    Simple, unpredicated copulatives.
    Little by little, this commotion of quids,
    By threes, by tens, by casual millions,
    Squirming within the state of things—
    The metaphysical acrobats,
    The naked, immaterial quids—
    Turned inside on themselves
    And came out dressed,
    Each similar quid of the inward same,
    Each similar quid dressed in a different way—
    The quid's idea of a holiday.

    The quids could never tell what was happening.
    But the Monoton felt itself differently the same
    In its different parts.
    The silly quids upon their rambling exercise
    Never knew, could never tell
    What their pleasure was about,
    What their carnival was like,
    Being in, being in, being always in
    Where they never could get out
    Of the everywhere, everything, always in,
    To derive themselves from the Monoton.

    But I know, with a quid inside of me,
    But I know what a quid's disguise is like,
    Being one myself,
    The gymnastic device
    That a quid puts on for exercise.

    And so should the trees,
    And so should the worms,
    And so should you,
    And all the other predicates,
    And all the other accessories
    Of the quid's masquerade.

    by Laura Riding
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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:03 pm

    smelly wrote:I found all the poetry first with Rumi and Lao Tzu, TS Eliot, Kabir, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waites and several Zen Masters, Yeats as well.

    Parmenides and Gilgamesh are favs.

    See what resonates with you.

    I am just a layman.

    Perfect, thank you
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:07 pm

    The Female God

    We curl into your eyes-
    They drink our files and have never drained :
    In the fierce forest of your hair
    Our desires beat blindly for their treasure.

    In your eyes' subtle pit,
    Far down, glimmer our souls ;
    And your hair like massive forest trees
    Shadows our pulses, overtired and dumb.

    Like a candle lost in an electric glare
    Our spirits tread your eyes' infinities :
    In the wrecking waves of your tumultuous locks
    Do you not hear the moaning of our pulses ?

    Queen ! Goddess! Animal!
    In sleep do your dreams battle with our souls ?
    When your hair is spread like a lover on the pillow
    Do not our jealous pulses wake between ?

    You have dethroned the ancient God,
    You have usurped his Sabbath, his common days;
    Yea, every moment is delivered to you,
    Our Temple, our Eternal, our one God !

    Our souls have passed into your eyes,
    Our days into your hair;
    And you, our rose-deaf prison, are very pleased with the world,
    Your world.

    by Isaac Rosenberg
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:07 pm

    Aleister Crowley has written some of the most amazing poetry as well.
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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:12 pm

    Yeah... I remember some Crowley stuff you posted a while back that donkey punched me in the soul. So much content... not enough time.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:48 pm

    All the words speak of the same hunger we all have.
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:10 am

    Hiding in the shadows of a spider web of thought
    I look side to side as if anxiety could be caught

    ANGEL… ANGEL… ANGEL of death!!
    How am I screaming without any breath

    Go inward and deeper and straight to the core
    And mount your defense to ready for more

    The goal becomes clear as your will shouts back
    To rescue some balance from the selfish attack
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:25 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEGWZbLqzU
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:19 am

    cwallatruth wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEGWZbLqzU

    Dig it...
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:25 am

    cwallatruth wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEGWZbLqzU

    I've never heard of Father John Misty, but I like this guy a lot.

    Very peaceful singer songwriter.

    Thanks for the share.

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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:42 am

    mmmmm.....

    Good energy today.

    Good music and good poetry.

    Epicurus in his garden indulging in simple pleasures...

    "If thou wilt make a man happy, add not unto his riches but take away from his desires.” “Epicurus said you should live for pleasure - adding that nothing brings more pleasure than a little sun and a glass of water."

    On taking pleasure seriously...

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:04 pm

    As for me, I delight in the everyday Way, Among mist-wrapped vines and rocky caves. Here in the wilderness I am completely free.

    With my friends, the white clouds, idling forever. There are roads, but they do not reach the world. Since I am mindless, who can rouse my thoughts?

    On a bed of stone I sit, alone in the night, While the round moon climbs up Cold Mountain.

    ~Han-Shan

    I know what he means, I feel absolutely full in my emptiness.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:16 pm

    Yes, the everyday way is the simple way.

    Epicurus has much wisdom in his teachings about taming runaway desires, but there is a paradox isn't there, because one could then develop a runaway desire to tame all their desires.

    There is no need to abandon society and literally withdraw to a garden or to a cave on cold mountain.

    The garden and the cave are states of consciousness.

    Wu Wei.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:29 pm

    DIFFICULTY AT THE BEGINNING

    To realize the Way you must die
    and stay dead and go on living.
    With one mighty blow, sever the
    attachments of mind and self and
    dwell in emptiness.

    Pouring emptiness into emptiness
    like waves coming to shore, you
    become quiet, luminous, still.

    Where before there were ten
    thousand entanglements,
    now there is undifferentiated
    Oneness, clarity, peace.

    - Wei Wu Wei
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:31 pm

    Aaron wrote:Yes, the everyday way is the simple way.

    Epicurus has much wisdom in his teachings about taming runaway desires, but there is a paradox isn't there, because one could then develop a runaway desire to tame all their desires.

    There is no need to abandon society and literally withdraw to a garden or to a cave on cold mountain.

    The garden and the cave are states of consciousness.

    Wu Wei.


    We all spend time on the mountain and in the desert.

    It’s more allegory to me than anything.

    Seneca loved Epicurus. I love Seneca. I have enjoyed what little I could find on him awhile ago.

    Seneca speaks a lot about him and I think really makes his teaching practical.

    Seneca was a practical stoic, granted, he became the richest in the Roman world which is some accomplishment given the barbarity.

    He truly to me embodied the future religion.

    Good stuff to channel and mine in his Awareness.

    Rational Hedonism is I think fitting to our natures.

    Take what resonates.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:38 pm

    Yes, allegory is a better way to put it.

    True happiness is... to enjoy the present, without anxious dependence upon the future.
    -Seneca

    A happy life is one which is in accordance with its own nature.
    -Seneca

    This one reminds me of Bukowski..

    You want to live but do you know how to live? You are scared of dying....and, tell me, is the kind of life you lead really any different from being dead?
    -Seneca


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