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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:12 pm


    Livin Your Best Life - Page 3 Magici10

    The magician card looks like the tree of life. He holds metatron's cube in Daath. It's pattern is free and flexible and moves with the wind and is light as a feather.

    Taking off the velcro gloves we find our magic.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:12 pm

    Life is not what it seems, nor are the things around us. My work on OMF is all about the deception of the world we live in and what lies behind it.

    It may seem something happened a long time ago, but this is about our living in deception today. Things with no relation to us seem unfamiliar. But unfamiliar things are deeply connected to us. The thing most unfamiliar to us is the thing closest to us, that which we have forgotten.

    What I’m pointing to is like a long atrophied limb of the body. When we start to feel this unfamiliar part of us again, it feels...alien, but it is an essential part of us.

    The most unfamiliar then turns out to be the most essential. This seems counterintuitive, because it is. We think of the familiar as safe and best. I have attempted to help awaken that part of us most asleep by sharing my journey to do such.

    Time has made us forget and others have misled us sometimes on purpose and other times we were led by the ignorant into greater ignorance. Some have wanted us to forget ourselves to be sure.

    These are the Dark Places of Wisdom.

    We have a superficial understanding of healing. Awakening brings great healing. Most of us think healing removes pain. But sometimes standing in the pain and discomfort brings the healing.

    I have several painful medical problems I carry. I control them with medication. One of them is gout. I suffered with pain unimaginable I wished for death to end at one point in my life. It had a message. That malady was the tip of a long chain of out of balance bodily systems.

    The pain was a warning.

    It was through fear of loss I learned nothing could be lost. We run from sadness and depression, but they are messengers. Our sadness speaks to us of our deepest longing if we listen. If we bear it but a little longer we attain it through realization. We attain all things by losing all things.

    What do we long for?

    Let us consider...
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    Post by U Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:59 pm

    Straight on
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:23 pm

    We fear Death and we come to find Death is the pathway to Life. To face Death before we die is the Great Work.  

    Sometimes the wisest course is to let others trick you.

    Greek is a compact language. One Greek word has 2 or 3 foreign translations by language. It allows for double meanings.

    The Ancient Greek language of the oracles allowed for great ambiguity and double meaning. When gods spoke through oracles they spoke in a way hard for humans to understand. The hardness is what makes the difference between human and divine.

    In my view, the gods are internal and present even now in the imaginal world. There is the physical understanding of an oracle and the imaginal, the mythological, which has its own meaning.

    There is risk with an Oracle. You couldnt know how things would turn out. They seem more like dreams. Oracles are never what they seem, the Greeks thought of them as seeds that could be understood over time. They contained a fullness, a pregnancy of meaning. But this green language or language of the gods is full of surprises that surround you from all sides at once and jump from behind you. The ancient Delphi Oracle is an example.

    Often colonization for the Greeks was driven by Oracle. Some could understand the oracles by looking behind the scenes of exitence. Most historians from 500 BCE like Herodotus are noted for lying. But that was part of the story. The wise men of southern Italy followed the way of the Hero. The imitation of Christ follows in the Heroic Tradition.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:45 pm

    Love of wisdom was what philosophy began as. Now it’s about arguing and talking about the love of wisdom.

    The only difference between a mystic and one who isn’t, is that a mystic finds a way to face the hole inside us all as the universe. That’s why mystics are pushed to the edge of our culture. Culture has its own answer to the void inside and has many options to fill it. We look for the next thing to need and the next and the next to fill us unto death. Then we die wanting all these things. That has an energy to it. Western culture specializes in the bait and switch.

    It offers but can’t deliver. It has forgottens and lost its connection to what does deliver. Religion and spirituality and humanism become wonderful substitutes for the real. Our truth degenerated into cages of thought. When you move beyond the substitutes, you seem to be left simply with the present now. There is no where to go but now.

    This brings a terror, a terror. There is no where to go then but straight on.

    This is why I say ‘straight on.’ If you can stay in the silent hell of now, you find a stillness and a peace. Before Plato there was the one who created logic, which all western science is based on.

    Life is kind. We have what we need when we need it. I have proved this to myself in many many ways.

    There was a man that Plato pointed to, Parmenides. He has made himself known to me through Dan and then on my own search. He is the apparent key to Western culture. We have old but weird desrcriptions of him.

    We are being shown more and more time is not fixed. Plato said he was going to have to kill his father, Parmenides. Peter Kingsley thinks Plato committed mental patricide apparently and blotted out Parmenides or we may not be here now. There is a connection here to the void inside us.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:24 pm

    Parmenides wrote an epic poem under divine inspiration, describing how the worlds of humans and gods are connected.

    The first part describes his journey to the godsess who has no name.

    The second part describes what she taught him about reality.

    The third part is the goddess describing the lie of the world we live in.

    His journey is mythical, a journey to the divine with the help of the divine. Mythical does not mean it isn’t real.

    We never move or go anywhere, our awareness is motionless, never changing. If you feel like your moving, you are moving in the web of the matrix where our senses sense. Plato had good reason maybe to kill Parmenides.

    Watch
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    Observe
    Revelation

    The characters of his poem are all female and come from the Mansions of the Night to meet him in the light. They are from Tartarus where even the gods feared to go. They take him to the gates Day and Night emerge from.

    This sounds very William Blake.

    The gates are right near the entrance to the Mansions of Night. A great chasm lies behind the gates. Each new generation of Greek poets in the past had to discover and describe reality for itself. Writing in a direct way is tiresome, they were expert at innuendo and hints and riddles.

    So Parmenides was heading toward his death in the poem, the underworld.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:06 pm

    Parmenides is met by the Goddess as a man who knows. He is in the land of the dead as a initiate for he has died before his natural death and descended into the darkness, his own unconscious.

    To go where others won’t, you have to know what most don’t.

    It seems like a perfect arrangement that wisdom hides away in death. All run from death and thus wisdom. Does it mean more for anyone to make the journey to death while alive? Is this how to become an adopted child of the gods?

    I would pay any price and even my life for a chance at wisdom. It means that much to me. I understand a bit of the depth of it and it’s like nothing I have ever known. Surely I have found the gate! I just feel it. An electric anticipation. Is this a meeting ultimately then between the divine and a human sprout?

    I come from a faith tradition, not a wisdom one. My heritage was hidden from me. My gifts muffled. But no longer. I found space to create myself. I made that space working with this energy.

    Parmenides’ journey takes him out of the life we know toward where we fear the most. He goes beyond ordinary sensual experience, or into its source rather. Nothing is found that is familiar. He describes a hidden world. He explains night is equivalent to ignorance. Why would he look for wisdom in ignorance then instead of going into the light directly? Ignorance for him is limited human awareness. Normal humans ignore this space is what he is saying, but it exists. He is in the imaginal world.

    What everyone ignores is where wisdom is found. No longer to live simply on the surface only of your life. This requires the greatest courage to find. This imaginal journey changes your physical mind and body; every cell is changed. Myth is the journey of the hero and it has bubbled up from the silence of our unconscious.

    But this is a hero we haven’t really ever met in our culture. We have lost the context for what a hero is. The thing needed to begin this journey is a longing, a passion or desire. He isn’t a hero because of violence, he lets it happen. He is taken right to where he needs to go.

    This is how Ayausaca and Psychadelics work. You get right what you need. In the poem he is taken as far as his longing can take him. It’s very personal. Our will is so weak. We divide it and weaken it. We are distracted by fear and desire. We are never satisfied.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:00 pm

    So can you face your longing?

    You know how and when to turn and face your longing without interfering with it at all.

    We are conditioned to shut up and ignore the spark in the room, our longing hearts.

    We are not alone in this.

    Sometimes something pulls us away from all things, even life sometimes.

    The voice of ourselves calling to ourselves can drive us mad.

    We start out often wanting to find the way through other people’s knowledge. It’s safer. But it’s always someone else’s knowledge. Parmenides experiences this and expressed it in poem. We can get flashes of his feeling if we see the poem. It’s ultimately his experience.

    Amazingly, I’ll call it love, through love we come to find that we have all we need to know in the darkness of ourselves.

    The longing turns us inside out until we find the sun and moon and stars within.

    We meet in the darkness of supreme paradox.

    The sun rises from the underworld. It’s not just a place of darkness and death. Only from a distance does it seem so. There is the ancient source, the invisible light and all light is a reflection of this.

    I see and feel it like purple bands of electricity. That Thwwaaacccck the electricity makes and the hiss and crack.

    To find clarity takes looking into the utter darkness of you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:19 pm

    The main difference I see between the ancient and ourselves is that they knew the depths and knew something we have forgotten, that you must sink to rise. That all must pass through the gauntlet of utter darkness and live to know ourselves as immortalized flame from an invisible source.

    Sounds and feels a lot like dark energy I say with no proof.

    Plato’s noble lie was to remove the need for the descent into the divine. This is where William Blake and Goethe reconnected with Parmenides through imagination and Barfield, rediscovering the imaginal world.

    They shattered Plato’s noble lie with Imagination.

    To realize this is really fun and a journey to discover filled with awesome power.

    We keep it up there out of reach of all.

    The problem is to remove the divine from the depths is to remove our depth. And simply, and simply this is why I exist.

    This is why I found Dan and OMF and rediscovered the Orphic within. To help bring that divine depth back into life through my life. This is an act of self worship in a way.

    This is what I think the UTs and UFOs are all about.

    The darkness haunts us.

    The dead are calling to us.

    This is way to subtle for my dogmatic fellow muppets.

    They have lost before they started, because you can’t reach the light without the dark.

    Everything contains its opposite my belighted muppets.

    Here is where I can laugh.

    Like Buddha Bodhidharma OSHO Smelly rolling belly laugh.

    Because I know you all must pass this way.

    Every last resistant muppet.

    Better to go straight on knowing than with a puckering butthole.

    It’s a matter of perception.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:46 pm

    Continuing...so much confusion.

    Often words are only words, sometimes though they are not. Sometimes they have the power to open up a whole new world. To give reality to things that have been hovering on the horizon of our consciousness.

    Humans were originally solar beings, children of the sun the myths say. Death for us seems like nothingness. Where we have to leave all behind. What can we learn becoming conscious in the land of the dead?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:02 pm

    “For thousands of years now, the beginning of western philosophy has systematically been split off and dissociated from the kind of practices we’ve come to think of as ‘magical’. The process has been a long an determined one; it almost succeeded. But those ancient connections are calling out again to be acknowledged–and it’s good to have some sense of the real issues involved.

    Talking about how philosophy and magic once were two halves of a whole might sound an interesting historical topic. But basically it’s not a matter of history at all. And neither does it mean we just need to be more aware of how irrationality has come to be separated off in our lives from rationality; nor does it even mean we should be making a greater effort to bring everything that seems unreasonable into some harmony with reason. If we think it’s enough to do any of that we’re still missing the main point, because all these distinctions between rational and irrational are only valid from the limited standpoint of what we call reason.

    When rationality is really combined with irrationality, then we begin to go beyond them both. something else is created, something quite extraordinary that’s timeless–and yet entirely new. Then we start seeing the illogicality of everything that normally is considered so reasonable. And we come face to face with an implacable fascinatingly coherent logic.

    This is the logic that Parmeneides tried to introduce to the West: a logic that questions everything, that was meant to turn people’s lives and values upside down. But we managed to take the easy way our, the reasonable way.

    We turned his teaching upside down instead.

    It’s quite an achievement. We’ve actually succeeded in creating the illusion that we’re wiser than people used to be.”
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:34 pm

    "Finding the practice
    That must employ your presence
    Everyday now changed"

    "Stuck in the thorns
    Move one at a time and step
    Escape is no goal"

    "The raining of leaves
    Death and gravity allied
    Mulching daffodils"

    "Familiar forest
    My city of life and death
    Old enemies new"

    "Fall wind on the leaves
    A generation of death
    Whispers on the limb"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:59 am

    Notes from the edge...

    “For the Greeks, stillness had a whole side to it that they found intensely disquieting–and not just disquieting but also sinister, alien, profoundly inhuman.

    It’s stillness that has the power to carry a human being into another reality: into a world of prophecy where future and past and present are all contained and where heroes, not humans, are at home. -p185

    When Greeks wanted to describe in tangible terms the reality of a confrontation between humans and the divine, there was one particular quality that they sensed as characterizing the gods in contrast to people.

    This was their uncanny stillness. Gods stayed totally calm when humans would panic. They wouldn’t even change their expression when people ran through the whole range of emotions from joy to terror. They’d stay exactly the same: enigmatic. Even the most dramatic miracles or displays of power weren’t as effective a way of emphasizing the difference between humans and gods as the utter unshakability of divine stillness.

    That’s the real reason for the stillness practiced in incubation. It was a method for coming as close as possible to the divine world. -p 186

    In the writings left behind by the people known as the Pythagorean certain things were considered basic facts of life. One of them is that as humans we’re always changing, restless. At every moment our bodies are moving–and not just our bodies but our thoughts and desires as well. Anybody who was able to maintain a visibly greater degree of stillness than people in general was assumed to be divine: considered someone who’s more than human, who belongs to another world. -p187

    Once someone became a Pythagorean, it started to become a matter of learning less and less. There were fewer answers, and more riddles. Techniques could be provided for entering other states of consciousness. Otherwise, the emphasis was placed less and less on being given teachings and more and more on finding the inner resources to discover your own answers inside yourself.

    This is why teaching through riddles was such an important part of Pythagorean tradition. Instead of being fed with ready-made answers you were just given the germ, the seed, of the answer: for the riddle contains its own solution….

    Your job was to feed the riddle, nurture it. And it was understood that, through the process of being tended and attended to, the riddle would become an organic part of yourself. As it grew it had the power to transform you. It could even destroy you. But the aim of the riddle was as clear as it was subtle–to shift the focus of attention away from superficial answers towards discovering what you hadn’t realized you’re already carrying around inside yourself. -p189
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:21 pm

    Feed and focus on the riddle of your own being and you will discover the greatest Truth and Joy.

    “He dwells at ease within himself, with a peaceful mind; he purifies his mind from restlessness and worry.”

    — Gotama Siddhartha
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    Post by cwallatruth Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:05 pm

    “Sleep while awake
    No such thing as the silent
    Senses never fooled“
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:05 pm

    I’m going to jump over to some notes from The Golden Bough...immediately led to The King of the Wood.

    The Story of Christianity as the story of the Vegetation God.

    The holy muppets didn’t like Mr. Frazer, no no, which makes him a great source of wisdom.

    Always go where the ignorant fear to tread for your most effective results.

    Tear down your idols and you will jump to the front of the line.

    Cum excusatione itaque veteres audiendi sunt.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:32 pm

    Killing the God

    At an early stage of his intellectual development man deemed himself naturally immortal. In savage peoples it is witches and sourcerers who cut life unnaturally short.

    But humanity’s intellect has slowly grappled with death. The gods of myth are seen to be exaggerated aspects of ourselves. They then are the mighty heroes of the Ego, grandiose reflections of small diminutive beings.

    Their distance and the clouds of ignorance that they are projected upon, give them their gigantic size in our imaginations. The gods shared death in common with man for they were also born of body and mind. The likely source of the early gods were ancient royalty preserved in myth and body. They were mummified to keep their spirits alive.

    The gods were not immortal. Plutarch tells a story of the death of Pan. If nature spirits are tied to nature, we have been at war with these forces. They rise and fall over Aeons.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:17 pm

    REVELATION
    “We make ourselves a place apart
    Behind light words that tease and flout,
    But oh, the agitated heart
    Till someone find us really out.

    'Tis pity if the case require
    (Or so we say) that in the end
    We speak the literal to inspire
    The understanding of a friend.

    But so with all, from babes that play
    At hide-and-seek to God afar,
    So all who hide too well away
    Must speak and tell us where they are.”

    -Frost
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:15 pm

    Back to the Dark places...

    A latromantis is a healer, but one who heals through prophecy. But not someone who tells the future. The Greek conception of a prophet from 500 BCE was one who gave voice to what doesn’t have a voice.

    Acting as a mouthpiece for the dark within.

    Well, if it’s so powerful, why does it need anyone to speak for it Wink

    It may be better thought of as a person who bridges dimensions of consciousness. For a latromantis who is like a shaman, one develops an ability to look behind the scenes of things. The healing happened as a matter of course.

    People would lay down for days in a dark cave and come back healed. Some could apparently facilitate this kind of healing. One has to learn to break the sense data stream. Becoming aware what is right and wrong for us is part of the healing. These healers worked in the unseen world beyond space and time and could see across time. These were Pholarchos, Lords of the Lair.

    Could this be Dan’s Hive?

    A world where things are symbolic and backwards. I think it could be. They were experts at working with dreams, listening and learning from them. These healers were closely related to Apollo and his children. Incubation was one of their primary tools.

    This corresponds with my own personal dream work. Dreams could be meaningless, or take you into another reality. They described the state like being awake but different. Sleep but not sleep. I have been in this in between state. And in this state I have had direct contact with aspects of consciousness I am normally not aware of. They seemed to be describing a lucid state or kind of trance.

    I have experimented quite a bit in this in between space and found wei wu wei corresponds. I’m sure these healers made extensive use of drugs to mediate these different states of consciousness. Once touched by this other reality state you are never the same. It can appear like possession, but it can be mediated.

    It begins to flood your senses with new kinds of information, you need an ancient understanding to really work with it, seen through our modern symbols and culture. You enter into an always on persistent state of non-dual awareness of different levels

    It may appear schizophrenic. You jump around levels of consciousness and occupy multiple states sinultaneously. In this state the Greeks said you were ‘taken by Apollo’. This Apollo dimension was different than the chaotic Dionysus one. To enter Apollo’s realm required stillness.

    These priests were called Skywalkers.

    A concept recognized in the east and west. These states occur in all of us. Most choose ignorance and shrug things off. But these states of being exist beside our normal waking state. The walls between these states of mind or illusory and influence each other. Walls are only in our minds. Truly there are no walls.

    Trumpism is the antithesis of opening to these states and a great example of how ignorance can fester and grow with a mind of its own. It’s a tentacled Beast feeding on us.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:44 pm

    It’s interesting to see the correspondences between the Greeks and shamans of Siberia and the east. There is a lot of evidence East and West mixed in early Persian culture. Explored at length in a book called ‘Prometheus and Atlas’, I highly recommend.

    We lost our connection ultimately to this tradition of healing using other states of consciousness. This is what was covered up and rationalized by Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. What giants of mind these men were. I would guess much wiser than we are now with powerfully developed minds using geometry and logic.

    We had the teaching of Samadhi at one time then it seems in the West. Parmeneides poetry is a sign of this. I also wrote poetry spontaneously to try to describe the experience with interesting results, http://quantumunderground.com

    If seems a common experience across time. Apollo was the god of these Greeks. Aristotle said philosophers shouldn’t write poetry, but call a spade a spade. He didn’t like what Parmenides did. He made a personal expression as a result of his contact with these other states of consciousness and was condemned partly.

    Verse and philosophy just doesn’t mix to a certain kind of conditioned mind, but they do of course. Using unexpected rhythms is the real art of a Magician to get certain effects. His poetry draws us inside. What what is can not not exist, from On Nature...

    “What [exists] is now, all at once, one and continuous... Nor is it divisible, since it is all alike; nor is there any more or less of it in one place which might prevent it from holding together, but all is full of what is.

    And it is all one to me
    Where I am to begin;
    for I shall return there again

    For this view, that That Which Is Not exists, can never predominate. You must debar your thought from this way of search, nor let ordinary experience in its variety force you along this way, (namely, that of allowing) the eye, sightless as it is, and the ear, full of sound, and the tongue, to rule; but (you must) judge by means of the Reason (Logos)”

    Scientific Method born of a mystic Greek poet.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:24 am

    He says Bicameral.

    He is a vector.

    Fascinating.

    I like him.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:03 pm

    “True knowledge lies.”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:34 pm

    The White Goddess

    All saints revile her, and all sober men
    Ruled by the God Apollo's golden mean -
    In scorn of which we sailed to find her
    In distant regions likeliest to hold her
    Whom we desired above all things to know,
    Sister of the mirage and echo.

    It was a virtue not to stay,
    To go our headstrong and heroic way
    Seeking her out at the volcano's head,
    Among pack ice, or where the track had faded
    Beyond the cavern of the seven sleepers:
    Whose broad high brow was white as any leper's,
    Whose eyes were blue, with rowan-berry lips,
    With hair curled honey-coloured to white hips.

    The sap of Spring in the young wood a-stir
    Will celebrate with green the Mother,
    And every song-bird shout awhile for her;
    But we are gifted, even in November
    Rawest of seasons, with so huge a sense
    Of her nakedly worn magnificence
    We forget cruelty and past betrayal,
    Heedless of where the next bright bolt may fall.

    —Robert Graves
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:11 pm

    The Greek philosophers of logic saw mythic poetry as a threat. Myths are changed often by the conquerors to make social changes in the vanquished culture easier to handle. Tell a muppet a story and you can get them to believe almost anything.

    Socrates turned his back on myths and preferred a rational scientific approach. Can’t blame them. The world was shaped by myths and as logic took hold, the myths became fairy tales. Socrates said trees and fields will not teach me anything, but men do. Mythology is based on tree lore. Socrates turned his back on the Moon goddess. A platonic love was an escape from her embrace through a retreat into mind. A kind of spiritual masturbation.

    The mythical has been relegated to the absurd and people making magickal things are speaking in lost tongues and not meanginful to modern humanity the reasonable insist. Myths were just the stories scared humans told each other then? The function of poetry is the religious invocation of the Muse. The experience being communicated is mixed exaltation and terror of her presence. Today we dishonor poetry and water it down with technical melodramatic odess to absurdity.

    Money can buy almost anything, but not the truth of the self-truth-possessed poet. Anyone geared to the industrial machine will reject these shadows. As a poet I work to have the leisure to render the Goddess whom I adore my part-time service.

    But she demands full-time service or none at all. Should we quit our place in society then? Shall we turn into romantic shepherds like Don Quixote? Shall we go back to the unmechanized farm? How could I be serious if I have not given all for the chance to see her?

    This is the struggle of Humanity. How to make your words magically potent? European Myth is based in Magick. Only accidental regression seems to tap our forgotten past. Magic is poetic. What does it mean to say something is poetic? Poetry is still mystical and not describable by science. Poetic imagination is seen as untruth by the devout. You
    are not encouraged to give your religion your own spin.

    The Welsh bards held a secret.

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