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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    First topic message reminder :

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    Post by dan Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:40 pm

    Of course, as the Antichrist, I could be viewed as the Christ killer.


    As to the follow through, it looks like we’re sticking with the lake story. When Ron said the lake dried up, he meant that Joe dried out.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 pm

    What a setup.

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    Post by dan Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:30 pm

    Very good, smelly....... #173 & 174.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 pm

    I'd like to say how sad I am that AP is squandering his opportunity, but it's his to squander and it doesn't really matter either way, so erase what I just said.

    What a bunch of distractions, why do I care at all?

    I never said it.

    Actually, erase all I have ever said.

    You know what, erase Eric John Garza foreva.

    Bye bye...

    Contradiction...get some.



    What is your will?



    Pan is not dead...your story gets mythical and then you are...Jesus Christ.



    Pan, the God of ALL Nature, every thought and every feeling you have.

    William Blake saw the Universe filled with eyes.

    I saw this as well. The Eye of Baphomet is the Eye of Pan.

    Pan is the God who looks back.

    The Sun without question is God.

    Hymn to Pan

    Thrill with lissome lust of the light,
    O man! My man!
    Come careering out of the night
    Of Pan! Io Pan!
    Io Pan! Io Pan! Come over the sea
    From Sicily and from Arcady!
    Roaming as Bacchus, with fauns and pards
    And nymphs and satyrs for thy guards,
    On a milk-white ass, come over the sea
    To me, to me,
    Come with Apollo in bridal dress
    (Shepherdess and pythoness)
    Come with Artemis, silken shod,
    And wash thy white thigh, beautiful God,
    In the moon of the woods, on the marble mount,
    The dimpled dawn of the amber fount!
    Dip the purple of passionate prayer
    In the crimson shrine, the scarlet snare,
    The soul that startles in eyes of blue
    To watch thy wantonness weeping through
    The tangled grove, the gnarled bole
    Of the living tree that is spirit and soul
    And body and brain — come over the sea,
    (Io Pan! Io Pan!)
    Devil or god, to me, to me,
    My man! my man!
    Come with trumpets sounding shrill
    Over the hill!
    Come with drums low muttering
    From the spring!
    Come with flute and come with pipe!
    Am I not ripe?
    I, who wait and writhe and wrestle
    With air that hath no boughs to nestle
    My body, weary of empty clasp,
    Strong as a lion and sharp as an asp —
    Come, O come!
    I am numb
    With the lonely lust of devildom.
    Thrust the sword through the galling fetter,
    All-devourer, all-begetter;
    Give me the sign of the Open Eye,
    And the token erect of thorny thigh,
    And the word of madness and mystery,
    O Pan! Io Pan!
    Io Pan! Io Pan Pan! Pan Pan! Pan,
    I am a man:
    Do as thou wilt, as a great god can,
    O Pan! Io Pan!
    Io Pan! Io Pan Pan! I am awake
    In the grip of the snake.
    The eagle slashes with beak and claw;
    The gods withdraw:
    The great beasts come, Io Pan! I am borne
    To death on the horn
    Of the Unicorn.
    I am Pan! Io Pan! Io Pan Pan! Pan!
    I am thy mate, I am thy man,
    Goat of thy flock, I am gold, I am god,
    Flesh to thy bone, flower to thy rod.
    With hoofs of steel I race on the rocks
    Through solstice stubborn to equinox.
    And I rave; and I rape and I rip and I rend
    Everlasting, world without end,
    Mannikin, maiden, Maenad, man,
    In the might of Pan.
    Io Pan! Io Pan Pan! Pan! Io Pan!

    --Aleister Crowley

    I am channeling ole AC himself and his is a god damn chatty spirit.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 pm

    Liber CCXLII AHA!

    There are seven keys to the great gate,
    Being eight in one and one in eight.
    First, let the body of thee be still,
    Bound by the cerements of will,
    Corpse-rigid; thus thou mayst abort
    The fidget-babes that tense the thought.
    Next, let the breath-rhythm be low,
    Easy, regular, and slow;
    So that thy being be in tune
    With the great sea's Pacific swoon.
    Third, let thy life be pure and calm
    Swayed softly as a windless palm.
    Fourth, let the will-to-live be bound
    To the one love of the Profound.
    Fifth, let the thought, divinely free
    From sense, observe its entity.
    Watch every thought that springs; enhance
    Hour after hour thy vigilance!
    Intense and keen, turned inward, miss
    No atom of analysis!
    Sixth, on one thought securely pinned
    Still every whisper of the wind!
    So like a flame straight and unstirred
    Burn up thy being in one word!
    Next, still that ecstasy, prolong
    Thy meditation steep and strong,
    Slaying even God, should He distract
    Thy attention from the chosen act!
    Last, all these things in one o'erpowered,
    Time that the midnight blossom flowered!
    The oneness is. Yet even in this,
    My son, thou shalt not do amiss
    If thou restrain the expression, shoot
    Thy glance to rapture's darkling root,
    Discarding name, form, sight, and stress
    Even of this high consciousness;
    Pierce to the heart! I leave thee here:
    Thou art the Master. I revere
    Thy radiance that rolls afar,
    O Brother of the Silver Star!

    --AC
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:24 pm

    You probably can't follow my thread, I went 90 degrees right, maybe one or two can.

    That would be swell.

    From the mouths of babes...



    For all of you Bisexuals...



    I am not a Thelemite, but I have had many correspondences with Thelemic writing. Do what thou wilt...is not do anything...but discovering your true will and who you really are.

    You don't have to ask or believe the answers or care at all.

    Go be apart of the matrix, but if you are not a coward and of some quality and are ready to accept your place in the sky, you will scratch and claw for the answer.

    Scratch and Claw

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    Post by dan Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:51 pm

    Jesus is sometimes portrayed as a cynic........ as renouncing social customs.  Essentially, though, he was a communalist.  

    To live as a communalist is to live as an eschatologist.  Does this mean renouncing family and children?  

    Many early Christians did so...... a coed monasticism.  This is an end times community.  

    Government could not function in such a context..... and certainly not capitalism.

    We don’t need revolution in the streets. We need a revolution of our spirits.


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:15 pm

    Metaphysics is essentially the study of the nature of the world. It is traditionally split into ontology, cosmology, eschatology, and teleology.

    What is eschatology?

    Esoteric Christianity — is deeply concerned with eschatology. Eschatology is the study of the Last Things — not just the “Apocalypse” in a popular or literalist sense (as in, Jesus coming down from heaven on a cloud and instigating a literal war with Satan, a la the Left Behind series), but also human and cosmic destiny. Eschatology is the area of theology that deals with ultimate value and macrocosmic possibility — the created universe, and the human being, transfigured into the form God finally intends for them. Non-Christian, secular forms of eschatology also exist — the full communism of Marxism, for example, or the transcendence of the human in transhumanism.

    I don't recognize a final destiny or Judgment, so I can't be friends with an eschatologist I guess, them waiting for Judgment and Fire and rebirth of the Cosmos and me burning as a herald of the Apocalypse of the self.

    I don't know why you would cling to that dead stick.

    The attainment of the Crossing of the Abyss, the destruction/integration of the personality or ego, as the end-times of the ‘self’ and the waking to the Self corresponds to the physical redemption the eschatologist awaits.

    It's God-in-the-Large vs. God-in-the-Small.

    I'm for the 2nd view, where the 1st is a Christian eschatologist's view.

    The Cosmos does not need to be redeemed.

    “only the veils must be purified, to reveal the Perfect already within”

    As you like.

    For me the design of the Universe or Teleology, is a Will to Love.

    “In the sphere [Hadit is] everywhere the centre, as [Nuit], the circumference, is nowhere found.”


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:37 pm

    smelly,

    Try to be a little less oppositionally defiant.  

    Be just a little less Pavlovian.  There are nuances in these waters.  There are many shades of gray.  Embracing only purity, only Diogenes, may obscure an important path that we can share with the world.

    The Princess may have had a breakthrough, just over the weekend. It may have been short lived, but she did have a glimpse of the light.

    Once you have seen that glimmer, it is hard to forget. You know that it will always be there...... waiting patiently.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm

    I'm just shoving you around moth boy.

    Just comparing where I stand to your proclaimed spot, I am not judging one better or correct.

    Here is the decider, what is effective to live life with. It's the internal change I experienced that is most effective for me and all I can speak about.

    If the the sky falls, I'm all ears.

    You need the sky to fall and dates and events to occur, no?
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:55 pm

    The scales on her eyes fell off for a brief moment.  

    Your scales, smelly, are permanently removed...... by your own efforts and good fortune.

    I need no dates or events, in fact I lobby against such.  This is the whole point of the WoM/MoAPS.  

    It is driven by individuals naturally coming together to celebrate the larger truth that we are all beginning to see.  

    Science has been the final great suppressor of the Truth.  It was the grand Deception, leading to the great Apostasy.  

    I know that you suppose yourself to be a self made mystic. I believe, however, that your awakening was a significant part of our inevitable, historical, eschatological awakening.

    It is the realization that we are a chrysalis, rather than a cancer....... it’s a big difference.


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:28 pm

    You guys are so cute to watch.

    haha

    cyclops

    Checkmate!
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:11 pm

    Dan,

    I'm curious, have you ever seen the movie "Tomorrowland"?

    I thought it was amusing how the hidden entrance into the hidden magical world of Tomorrowland was on the "It's a Small World" ride at the Disney park.

    Forever trusting who we are, and nothing else matters.

    Trust I seek and I find in you.

    I am you.

    93

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:59 pm

    We have scales on our eyes and around our hearts until we don't.

    I know you don't want the sky to fall, which is why you do what you do.

    Fair enough.

    I don't need nor want it to fall either, but I'm not worried about it.

    This is not a prison planet to despise, though it can be, if one doesn't see into it.

    Every awakening is a joyous event I suppose and as it happens in history is historical.

    Self made or thunderstruck, it doesn't matter if you can see and listen to the signs.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:08 pm

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:50 pm

    I dug deep...very very deep....in the end it doesn't matter at all what I do or say as it relates to influencing or helping others.

    The idea that it is better to be the silent observer and do your best to avoid influencing others thoughts or beliefs is in itself a lie.

    The idea that it is better to shrink your world to a very few number of individuals, like only your immediate family, is just another noble lie.

    Sorry Foot and Princess...It's all noble lies.

    The Small World is dead...

    The world is all nonsense.

    Just do as you feel and don't think about it or analyze it because there is no such thing as a best way of existing.

    You are completely free to do as you please.

    If I felt like doing so I could stand up in church on Sunday and preach that I am Christ or that I am the AntiChrist or nihilism or anything I felt like doing, nothing is better or worse than anything else.

    Fuck!

    Haha!

    Although, there are consequences to all actions and you will have to reap what you sew always, but you are completely free beyond all concepts of better or worse.

    I assume over time though that you begin to talk less and less about it as it becomes so redundant, but even that assumption is a lie....redundancy is a lie....

    I could go on blogging about IT for life and never really get tired of it if I wanted to. When you stop pretending you can go on as you please forever without any limitations.

    Small World is just a concept like any other.

    Do as you feel, that's all there is.

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:55 pm

    I was thinking that do what though wilt is best practiced by being silent and trying to avoid influencing others thoughts and beliefs, but that is a lie.

    It is all lies.

    Cool.

    Straight on

    Despite this revelation I still might spontaneously drift off into silence and my personal Small World if I feel to do so, but no matter what I do my world is always Small.

    It is now the end of self analysis and the beginning of freedom.

    Wu wei

    I don't care what other people think or do really.

    It's just a ride, do what you can to enjoy it in whatever way you feel to do so. For me I enjoy peace and simplicity, and I always have that now in the breath.

    Small World is dead, the nonsense world reigns as king forever and ever.

    Wu Wei

    Smelly gets it

    Allan Watts got it

    Princess/Ron/Dan may also get it and just be playing their own versions of the game as they please, I don't know.

    Most importantly I get IT.

    Smile bitches!

    Hahahahahaha!


    Neon Pegasus strikes down the Gummy King again!

    Bam!

    Shot back out like a cannon ball baby!

    Wheee!

    A voice in my head is saying "grow up", what a lie.

    All the voices inside my head are lies.

    This voice speaking now is a lie.

    The Dude Abides the lies with his perma grin.


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:28 pm

    Still....though the Small World is just another illusion, another lie, I think it might really be my preferred cup of tea at the end of the day, but I cling to nothing and have no expectations.

    It really is all a lie.

    It's all nonsense at the end of the day.

    Every concept is a paradox and illusion.

    I am an illusion.

    Thank God I have the Dude with me to Abide through this with a grin because I am skirting nihilism right now and it's one hell of a ride.

    Wheee!
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:42 pm

    Now that everything is nonsense OMF suddenly got very boring.

    Small World concept is so much more fun!

    Wife and kids are so much more interesting than you goat boy and moth boy.

    Muahahaha
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:56 pm

    The sky fell but it was a quick recovery.

    The recoveries are getting faster. 

    It's all good. Everything is cool. The Dude Abides...
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:37 pm

    And you call me manic Dan?!

    Better talk this boy down before his head explodes, which might be a good outcome.

    Haha Aaron, breathe, whenever the mind is swirling, just breathe, in and out, that's all.

    In my experience, we have a guiding principle or true will, it is not silence, it is will under love.

    That's the game.

    You can will yourself away, but that would never ever be your true will.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:30 pm

    Don't mind me, just another day in paradise.

    Even though it's all a dream and a lie you can pick any of the lies you want to find ground in.

    That's the beautiful part, you get to choose whatever makes you the most happy and ground into it.

    For me that is my kids and wife.

    It doesn't get smaller or simpler than that.

    Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law...

    93.

    I'll ground into 93 and into Family and into the Dude way and the Tao Te Ching, and the Small World but these things are no better or worse than any other. You just choose your cup of tea and sip it as you go with the flow.

    You have to pick something, really what it is is self. You ground into an aspect of yourself that brings you the most peace and contentment and happiness.

    It's really quite simple. Why do we make it so complicated?

    I don't know....

    Okay, my formula to stay grounded will be

    Serving and showing love to wife and kids
    Do what though wilt/93
    Small and Simple World
    Chill music
    Wu Wei

    And from time to time, literature to help stay close to zero our hero:
    Tao Te Ching
    Cold Mountain poetry

    There that's my KISS formula and I'm sticking to it.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:17 pm

    I can’t really connect to what you are saying.

    I think you think too much.

    But jabber away.

    Dissolution is a mystery.

    Best to tread carefully.

    Perhaps nothing matters in the end.

    So now is it.

    What is happening to you now is all that matters.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:38 am

    Yes I think I think too much

    It was the best possible thinking too much so I could learn that I don’t need to think too much anymore.

    Free and easy down the road I go.

    What is happening to me now is all that matters.

    What is happening Now AND my wife and kids, they matter too even though they are just me...characters in my dream.

    Now I’m completely free.

    There is nothing left to figure out.

    I get to spend the rest of my life making my wife and kids feel loved and happy and nothing else really matters.

    So much jabbering.

    Thank you Smelly for defeating the jabberwocky.

    It truly is a Small World after all...very very small.

    Beware of the Teacup ride. Too much spinning will make you sick.

    Best to take it easy on the Small World ride.

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