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To my therapist... pretty crazy stuff huh? Just take it for what it is and I look forward to my next session.

dan wrote:We can and will have it all.  

The more we believe, the more patient we will be.  

We now have a thousand years of the Goddess’ Queendom.  

Some will be impatient.  Some will still die in confusion.  

What is this all we can and will have? Because some of all I like very much. But other parts, not so much. So what I'd like is a bit of that everything here and yet a bit of it left out over there.

Can I have some of it all?

"foot, is my protector..... so is donny, just by extension" saith, Dan


Dan, I don't agree with the "so is donny, just by extension" part because I'm absolutely sure that foot is not in agreement with all of Trump's policies and viewpoints. And here we're talking about some extremely important issues too.  For example, Foot is a very passionate wildlife conservationist and Trump is the opposite of that... as indicated in the following link Trump wildlife protection board defends trophy hunting

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A Conservationist is "a person who advocates or acts for the protection and preservation of the environment and wildlife." Donald Trump couldn't care less about the protection and preservation of the environment and wildlife...and that's pretty amazing considering that even a monster like Hitler seemed to care deeply about that issue. 

Trump is a useful idiot, like us

No one needs nor wants a mystic goat around.

My glory is my irrelevancy.

I am on OMF because I enjoy writing and poking crazy ufo muppets.

So in my case, I’m a useless idiot.

PF, 99, smelly, etc.........

There are various ways of looking at the world.......

If we look at ourselves biologically, we could be either a cancer or a chrysalis.  Without having some inkling between such extreme perspectives, we will have a hard time making sense of what might be going on in the world.  

The mystical traditions tend to see the former, while the latter is more in line with the prophetic tradition.  

The scientific view of the situation is aligned with the former, unless you happen to subscribe to transhumanism and the technological singularity.  

We do seem to be in the midst of a technological singularity, but I suspect this historical singularity is more of a symptom or an epiphenomenon of some inner working, rather than the driver of it.  

The mystical view sees the course of history from an entropic or pessimistic perspective.... with the world running down, while the prophetic outlook favors the teleological perspective.

Yes, persons are violating the third law of thermodynamics, by using sunlight and using up fossil fuels. Civilization thrives on borrowed energy. Can we work our way back to sustainability? It does not seem likely from either a scientific or political perspective.




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You aren’t a mystic Dan, so you have little idea what you speak of, man, but thanks for the opinion, which is not accurate, based on my mystic experience.

This is an example of the limits of thought.

Nothing is black or white, this or that.

I have to agree with Smelly.

smelly and Aaron,  

You may be concerned that too much thought would remove mystery from mysticism.  

On the contrary, I suppose that thought will enhance the mystery.

Compare the romantic and the mystic......... who would fall in love, if we sat down and thought it all through?  Many claim they would not, but I’m a tad skeptical.  Love and thought may also reinforce each other.  It could be easily argued that love is product of sapience and vice versa.

It could be said science and NASA stole the romance of the Moon. That is true to some extent, I would have to admit.

But there are very few who claim to see Monad. We can use reason to place the Monad is our mind’s eye. We can use the telescope of reason to gain an understanding and appreciation for something that might otherwise be unknown, alien or impersonal.



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I’m worried or concerned about nothing.

All is as it should be.

Mystic is direct experience and it’s a very overloaded word these days and barely truly understood.

The mystic don’t suppose, we directly know.

It is not a better or worse state of mind, it simply is what happens when you find wholeness.

Only the serious penitent student will unlock the riddle, no vulgar muppets will pass.

It is our role to let the mystic imprint in our time through us.

The mystic knows this, the muggles don’t.

The unconscious is primary, deny it all you like, any ego would.

Well, hell, if Aaron agrees...

I have properly documented the bridge between mystic goo and prikly logic in my other Livin Your Best Life thread based on some of the best open minded research I could find and could do my self.

You know why these researches of the Underworld are some of the best, we went there and I also found partially what they did, which is pretty incredible.

We had no choice, it was a compulsion I couldn’t even begin to contain.

I wanted to know.

Experience is the only qualifier.

Get some.

Talk is cheap with no huevos to experiment on your self.

Walk the walk if you want to talk the talk.

Until then, I would advise no one take Dan as any kind of authority on the mystic’s role in life.

He has cut himself in half, happens to the best of us.

Goo is not primary and neither is the prickly.

The goo and pricky define each other.

Reason and direct experience are both essential parts of the whole experience.

The Logos is the ladder and the mystical states of consciousness are the flashlight.

You could not ascend the ladder without the logos and you couldn't see where you were without the flashlight of conscious experience. It takes both. It takes balance.

I disagree that the mystic sees the world and humanity as cancer.

The mystic sees nothing cancerous.

It’s a playground.

I didn’t say one or the other is better, both together is wholeness and their are a 1000 shades in the temple.

If you have been there, you know what I mean.

I can’t write it.

I said Dan was prikly and until he gets gooey he can’t talk about it really, then, only with circular words.

The things he does say about the mystic is not representative.

And I have presented a very deep analysis of the difference of goo and prikly in my other thread.

One can hear Parmeneides and understand what he means through his poetry using their mystic senses.

Dan knows what that means.

That is all.

If anyone wants to know, only looking for yourself matters or works.

Until one sees the poetry in life, they can’t understand it.

Until one is living poetry, they are dead.

That’s what the Mystic teaches you.

Mystic Poetry is a magic incantation and if you take it in, you can go into other states of the Underworld.

If Dan wanted to talk to Zues or Apollo or Lucifer or Jesus, he could.

All have to find their own teachers in the underworld and until they have, they know nothing. Who can you trust? What a riddle, eh?!

We are not new babes in this dimension, there are ways to prepare oneself and approach it or it strikes you like lightening.

It struck Dan, you can smell it if you have smelly senses.

Yes, Dan seems to be heavily weighted to the prickly side, which is the left side of the brain I guess.

It seems a lot of the outsiders who had mystical experiences also seemed to be artistic/creative types.

Many of the mystics were also painters or poets, etc.

However, I'm sure that is not always the case.

I do agree that Dan seems to misrepresent the right side often, which is the gooey side or the mystic side.

You don’t need to speculate, you can smell and see it or you can’t.

Every atom screams the truth.

There is no debate about it or pretending

It’s the same One.

That kind of knowing and mystic connection is what is changing the world into the best possible one all the time.

Being close to this will transform you and everyone becomes a genius artist.

I don’t know one awakened person not more artistic or more open.

We all can channel this amazing stuff into our illusory world and we may only be aware of all this in fact, here now, physical using imagination. Which is why we can all live every day free.

We channel the same stuff, are filled with the same spirit.

You are either a clear channel of this or you are wrestling with your mind snakes and shadows.

Or the mind snakes of others.

I have a tape worm I have infected you all with.

Enjoy trying to get rid of it, you will need to go to the underworld now yourselves I guess or you are dead dead dead, it’s name is Choronzon.

Damnit

That tape worm is a sneaky bastard!

Eric,

We all need to become more familiar with the Unconscious.  You could certainly help.  You have already helped a great deal.  

I don’t think I’m holding you back.  I may even have provided some motivation.  Keep up the good work.

This would be a boring world if we were all balanced individuals.

It is more interesting if we can balance each other........ I would think.


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Now knoweth the Scribe that he was wrong in holding much converse with the demon; for Choronzon, in the confusion and chaos of his thought, is much terrified by silence. And by silence can he be brought to obey.

For cunningly doth he talk of many things, going from subject to subject, and thus he misleadeth the wary into argument with him. And though Choronzon be easily beaten in argument, yet, by disturbing the attention of him who would command him, doth he gain the victory.

For Choronzon feareth of all things concentration and silence: he therefore who would command him should will in silence: thus is he brought to obey.

This the Scribe knoweth; for that since the obtaining of the Accursed Tenth Aethyr, he hath held converse with Choronzon. And unexpectedly did he obtain the information he sought after having long refused to answer the demon's speeches.

Choronzon is dispersion; and such is his fear of concentration that he will obey rather than be subjected to it, or even behold it in another.

dan wrote:Eric,

We all need to become more familiar with the Unconscious.  You could certainly help.  You have already helped a great deal.  

I don’t think I’m holding you back.  I may even have provided some motivation.  Keep up the good work.

This would be a boring world if we were all balanced individuals.  

It is more interesting if we can balance each other........ I would think.  


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How would you know Dan if a world of gods would suck?!

Maybe try it muppet and see.

My life is infinitely richer, I think that’s good evidence.

I’m doing what I can Dan.

I am creating my own bibliography of consciousness’ writings about itself. That’s what it is doing.

It created Myth, the Way, Logos or the flow did magickally.

It wants us to know we are not these separate muppets.

Things are not just what they appear to be.

If one has enough curiosity to begin that investigation, I think that’s enough.

There is sooo much gold you can mine out there now with the Internet.

If you use your subtle senses, it tells you a myth about you.

That there are some muppets gaming the system is why people like me exist to balance them.

I have some part in all this, we all do.

Why not help people figure out who they are?

Sounds like good gardening practice.

I sifted through a lot of shit. They can look if they are curious.

If I can help spark that curiosity, that’s plenty.

You have helped me, you helped me see how logic and mysticism are connected in wholeness.

I studied all those philosophers mystically you gave me and then I followed the threads those teachers gave me.

Parmenides man, he was what I am becoming, close as I can tell. I saw what he saw. I know he is my self. Some how I am part of him and all of it is part of now.

Snakes intertwining.

Straight on.

Aaron,

I’m not sure how much of that was directed at me, but thank you for the observations.


Eric,

There is no doubt that we are all in this together.

I just hope that we can use our rational minds to help mitigate our fear of the unknown.

There will be a great deal of paranoia. A little bit of the best possible pronoia could go a long way.

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You also helped me see Dan that modern philosophy is corrupted and so I went back and back and back as far as I could to Gilgamesh, then fast forward to fucking Parmenides and the violence Socrates and Plato did to him and I saw the lie, which led to the truth of what initiation is and the great work.

And that led to Magick and will and Tao again. Everywhere I looked I had been in another guise. That led to understanding how mysticism was the birth place of our stories and technology and how we are struggling to reintegrate stories and our new technology.

Then what happened to me made sense some how to me. I could connect it through and to history in a way I never could have if I had not gone out of my faith and mind and time to look for my self where I could be found.

I see how Chornzon is hiding and moving things.

And the White Goddess helped me the entire way.

I’m a simple goat, but I’m not blind.

I was angry I had been lied to, but then I accepted it all and then more came faster and faster.

I have seen what we have forgotten and I have been blessed to remember some of it.

I speak for the dead and focus on them and consume them completely to try to understand the context of their time.

This was all found in large part pushing off of you.

Not knowing if you directed me or synchronicity did, same difference.

That’s pretty cool.

I mean I think it’s fucking amazing, but only I see this here now through my eyes maybe and it feels very...full.

I feel my fullness and pregnancy and maybe in death the true rebirth will happen, but who knows that, no one of course.

That wasn't directed at anyone in particular Dan.

That was simply the first thing that came to me in this Choronzon vortex I'm in now.

It's just something I copied from http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr10.htm.

Beware, Choronzon takes many forms.

Choronzon can take the form of a Smelly Goat, or the form of Aaron, or the form of the internet.

Be vigilant and stay focused on what is real.

Choronzon creates division and separation and judgment.

Choronzon invites confusion and contention.

The only way to transcend and pass through Choronzon is with the sword of truth. He can never truly be defeated, only mastered and transcended.

Authenticity, humility, and silence are helpful tools when you meet Choronzon on the path.

Silence does not necessarily mean not to speak either, just not to be in the business of opinions.

Take the pearl back from the dragon and gift it to Choronzon and he will give you back his trust and respect you and give you the gift of freedom in return.

Few are able to face the darkness and aloneness past the gates he blocks, but the rewards of peace and freedom are well worth the price.

If you haven't caught up you better catch up Now!

Have patience and trust in the process, but don't let yourself get hung up for too long.

Sometimes you have to get hung up in order to get loose.

I posted that Choronzon quote awhile ago.

What a copy cat.

That’s cool.

This myth is projected in the mist of our minds, in that, we don’t have a choice.

Jung and if you follow the threads he connects to, completely explains UFOs.

The myths are real.

They aren’t just fairytales, cause the Sidhe will kick your ass for disrespect.

Accepting these kinds of things is a choice and a riddle.

Knowing what the Welsh Bards protected is a big clue.

Listening to the whispering of the sphinx is what we do when we are silent.

When one channels they aren’t silent, but they are totally spontaneous, which initiates from silence, like sparks catching the gasoline on fire.

The sparks come from the silence from the Tree of Life.

How bout that

The only one channeling is for ultimately is the channeler.

We don’t have a choice in the content if we turn to these channels.

They seem to me like always on stations of the mind, not meant to be unique to an ego, but more calling to the Hero buried inside us to rise.

This is our guide in the underworld.  

Ancient pathways of mind.

One has to work so hard to focus on the silence.

It is worth the effort.

There is nothing in this for me but that I can see it and express it.

But only each one can descend into the Underworld for themselves.

Why would it matter to come together if we are fundamentally always unchanging?

That’s the riddle of being.

I never saw you post that quote before.

I just got it from that website.

I'm just sitting here watching the moon rise in gemini right now.

That’s a pretty good synchronicity then.

I first found that passage in Crowley’s book describing an encounter during a powerful ritual, while you found it online.

When I read that a few weeks ago, I discovered that Choronzon wraps around the earth as the Ouroboros and I remember a long chain of previous related myths.

It was how things were connecting that made me feel I was being shown something.

That’s a really really good one.

Probably should follow that thread.

Probably the secret to the universe.

Whisperings of the Sphinx.

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Where Nietzsche called the Noble Man forth, Crowley called the True Man.

Great magicians both and liars.

But how to know what are the lies and what is true and whether it even matters

“You are familiar with the Four Powers of the Sphinx, attributed by the Adepts of old time to their Four Elements. Air is to Know, Scire; Fire is to Will, Velle; Water is to Dare, Audere; and Earth is to Keep Silence, Tacere. But now that a fifth Element, Spirit, is generally recognized in the Qabalah, I have deemed it proper to add a Fifth Power corresponding: to Go, Ire.”

“This then is the Adept, who doth Will with solid Energy as the Bull, doth Dare with fierce Courage as the Lion, doth Know with swift Intelligence as the Man, and doth Keep Silence with soaring Subtlety as the Eagle or Dragon. Moreover, this Sphinx is an Eidolon of the Law, for the Bull is Life, the Lion is Light, the Man is Liberty, the Serpent is Love.”

“To attain the SANCTUM REGNUM, in other words, the knowledge and power of the Magi, there are four indispensable conditions–an intelligence illuminated by study, an intrepidity which nothing can check, a will which cannot be broken, and a prudence which nothing can corrupt and nothing intoxicate. TO KNOW, TO DARE, TO WILL, TO KEEP SILENCE–such are the four words of the Magus, inscribed upon the four symbolical forms of the sphinx.”

To summarize, the Four Powers of the Sphinx are the means by which Man becomes God. It is for this reason that Crowley refers to the Sphinx as “the True Symbol of this our Holy Art of Magick under the Law of Thelema” and “a Glyph of the Satisfaction and Perfection of the Will and of the Work, the Completion of the True Man as the Reconciler of the Highest with the Lowest.”

Just some fun myths and fairytales I guess. I love the old Egyptian story of the Sun’s journey to the Underworld. Some Egyptian eschatology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mythology#The_journey_of_the_sun

I love this stuff so much more than modern conspiracy theories, our myths say life is The Conspiracy of all Conspiracies

Choronzon/ouroboros.

Perhaps different descriptive terms for consciousness?

All in creation is this wrapped around each in a duality of spin described by leadbeater and madamme Blavatsky as ANU.

Most importantly for myself as detectable by Myself.

You /me and all are egg men , wrapped within this and enabling ourselves to be .


hobbit