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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:42 am

    I don’t think that smelly sufficiently appreciates my job as a story teller.  

    Mine is the story of the Ouroboros..... wrapped around the Earth.  I don’t do magic.  I don’t do channeling.  I make up stories....... the best possible stories.  I do borrow stories, whenever possible.  

    Evidently, I’m not as interested in the underground as in the above ground.  The latter will take us to the former, in due course.  I’m in charge of turning off the lights, and locking up, for the twilight of the gods.

    Some like to think we have free will down here, but I’m skeptical.  There can’t be much free will, if ours is the BPW, and I do believe it is.  We and the world are predestined.    

    We can rearrange furniture in the underworld, perhaps, but not up here...... I doubt.  

    Each one of us, each group of us is a microcosm.  We are always recapitulating our phylogeny.  

    I’m a constructivist.  I construct the cloakroom where we store our portmanteaus.  It’s just a rough framework.   I drew up the rough sketch.  For all I know, I might be doing this in real time, like the paleontologists.  

    Creation, IOW, is like stone soup, especially when considered outside of time.  We make it up as we go along?  No, we go along as we make it up.  

    And, not to worry, I’ve already worked it out with a pencil.  

    Is that going with the flow?  It’s only defining the best possible flow.  smelly is our guinea pig.  How’s the flow going, smelly?  

    Don’t worry about smelly, he’s busy rearranging the furniture in the underworld.  

    And, if smelly behaves himself, he can be the Antichrist’s Christ. Is that the Second Coming? It might be. There be irony in them thar hills. Anybody would look good, by comparison.



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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:47 am

    Story telling is it's own kind of magic and channelling.

    We relate to stories because we are a story.

    Life is magic, we are magic.

    Do not try to channel, you are the channeled.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:01 am

    A story teller is the best possible magician, especially if you’re telling the greatest story ever told.  Isn’t that right, Aaron?  And don’t you think the goat will enjoy being the Antichrist’s Christ?  It’s all about seniority, isn’t it?  It’s the magicians union, and I get to be the union boss.

    The Princess was just quoting you, Aaron....... about seeing your own body when you levitate. She wants to know how we are attached to our bodies.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:21 am

    Christ and AntiChrist.

    Apollo and Dionysis.

    All the stories are told over and over again.

    I simply have arrived at the story source.

    I could tell any story I like, but my story is enough.

    It’s in the breathe and we are forced to breathe, there is a clue about free will.

    People can end their material life.

    If someone can choose to die, then we can choose to live as an egg person.

    The ego doesn’t have free will really.

    It is the yolk that feeds the growing child.

    Life is magic.

    You are doing magic by breathing.

    Whether we want to admit it or not, mind originates in the mystic.

    It haunts us, incubates us.

    You will show yourself what you are and how to live.


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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:31 am

    Me, smelly, me....... I wannabe the story Source.

    That would make me the Creator, would it not?  

    Oh, goodie, the story just gets better.  

    And, did you know that the Antichrist is just the Christ going backwards in time?  Gosh, I didn’t know that either.  

    So how are we attached to our bodies......?

    Well, in the best possible way, I would imagine.  

    Can we choose to die?  I seriously doubt that, smelly.  

    Free will is an illusion that is closely correlated with the illusion of time.  

    Is suicide a sin, nonetheless?  

    When we get to the other side, do we say....... golly that was stupid?

    What is the role of suicide in the best possible world? It’s a tough one. It keeps us awake at night. With the imminent advent of portals, we might hope that suicide will become an historical curiosity.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:48 am

    I think if you kill yourself you go into the penalty box.

    If someone dies longing for life, that energy and momentum must persist for a short time.

    If they have not grown a vehicle, maybe they are shit out of luck.

    Dan, you are just a little kid.

    Something set you loose from life to be this kid in the candy store you are now.

    Most people are enslaved by themselves on behalf of the powerful.

    We are wardens of our own prison until we walk out the front gate.

    It’s a great trick to keep us self deceived.

    People don’t believe us in our respective orbits.

    They think we cracked up.

    Most are stuck with an adult leading them by the hand, their minders.

    But this world is for the children.

    The rest are just pregnant eggs maybe.

    I know how much heat sometimes they need and I turn the eggs too.

    What a funny life.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am

    Me thinks smelly is overly concerned with egg persons...... ok..... people who remain in their shell.  

    You understand that we have the best possible shells.  A shell is not unlike a body.   A body is a bit less optional.

    Our shell is like a turtle shell...... we have to stick our necks out to make progress.  But also, like the turtle shell, you might not want to leave home without it.  

    The born again portal is the crack in our cosmic egg.

    As with many species, we anticipate a synchronous hatching.  

    Smelly pecks his way out.  He looks around...... look at all the laggards.  Hmmm.......

    We go with the flow, and let nature take its course.  

    We light our lamps, we don’t curse the darkness, do we, smelly?

    smelly was sure that I was some kind of laggard.  Aaron set him straight.  I’m like the Princess, that way...... she and I have fake shells...... or, I worked my way out with a pencil.  The pencil becomes my magic wand.  The Logos is my fake shell.  

    And, yes, I’m the kid in the Las Vegas candy store.  That lollipop will be hard for some to swallow...... but it kinda goes with the territory.  Talk about shells.  

    Foot is concerned that I’ll be too lazy to do Disclosure...... darn it.  

    If the lake project stays on track, it’s a done deal...... money in the bank.  Nobody seems to know Andy at the journal...... oh, well. I guess it’ll be like Groundhog Day.  

    And he’s sure that donny will go again..... best one, yet.... hmmm....

    Or maybe I can afford to walk softly. Like Clement Atlee...... just so modest.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:52 am

    Again, concerned about nothing, things happen, I keep living, good times.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:00 am

    If You "crack" a turtle shell You will spot My uncle Fibonacci hiding in there.



    http://seventytwonames.blogspot.com/2017/06/turtle-talks-torah-song-of-songs-and.html

    72 into the centre and 72 out from it =144


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:13 am

    And you can’t work it out with a pencil Dan unless you stick it all the way through your head Wink
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:13 am

    How are we attached to our bodies?

    Polarity

    Opposites attract because they imply and define each other.

    I imagine that is how we are attached....

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:35 am

    Aaron has not informed me or pushed me anywhere at all Dan, he has always been playing catch up, no offense to the kid.

    We did some Magick together though, he has potential.

    We are bundles of this and such, connected using snake string and prickles and goo.

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    Year I was born this cane out, I’d say I was Space Oddity indeed.



    Stick that pencil all the way in now Dan, real fast, then tell me what you think.

    I’m feeling very still
    I think my spaceship
    Knows which way to go
    Just floating here
    In my tin can

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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:57 am

    The Princess is still on to our attachment to our body.......

    I suspect this has something to do with portals.


    Ok, smelly, if you are so smart, help me out........

    Under what circumstances might we consider the deliberate, temporary detachment? And is there not a technique involved..... without resorting to drugs.



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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:05 pm

    Smelly,

    BABALON

    I am caught up now.

    Wink

    Dan,

    Astral Projection is one way to detach from your body but you still have an astral body when you do it, so you just end up making two bodies.

    Why would you want to detach from a body?

    That's like trying to detach the circumference of a circle from the center. It's impossible. The center and the circumference go together like a painter and his/her paintings.


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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:12 pm

    Better watch your back, smelly.......


    Aaron,

    Is there any difference between astral projection, and portal passage?

    Yes, Princess mentioned the painter/paintings analogy...... re: attachment.

    No body.......? What would a naked soul experience?

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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:51 pm

    There is no such thing as a naked soul.

    A soul must have a body just as light cannot be seen unless there is something for it to reflect off of.

    What would light look like if there were nothing for it to reflect off of?

    It would appear to be only darkness.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm

    Our experience is based in the body.

    The body is the ground of being.

    The body is your true face before you were born.

    It is a mysterious thing, but mind cannot be seperate from body.

    The way the wise ones did this, which we have forgotten, is called incubation Dan, dream therapy.

    This is almost exactly what happens quickly on Ayahuasca.

    I have been experimenting with incubation and it is very much like an Ayahuasca trip.

    They would lay down in dark caves, sometimes naked, sometimes for days.

    They were not messing around.

    They were all in.

    The Christians perverted the process due to their fear of anything other.

    This was a healing form of Western meditation.

    A person like me would facilitate and interpret the visions and dreams.

    "Incubation (enkoímesis), which used to be central in the Asclepian medicine, practiced in Dream Temples or Asclepieiai, of which archaeologists have found different types in Greece, Turkey and Spain. These temples had terraces with columns and altars as well as underground galleries and chambers with sleeping rooms, couches and medicinal pools carved on the rocks.

    Men and women –particularly those in a desperate condition, affected by terminal illnesses– went to dream temples looking for healing, as a last resort. And there they were guided by the iatromantei, healer priests of Apollo –as Parmenides of Elea. The patients would purify their bodies and lie down on a couch. For hours or even days the patients had to rest in silence and stillness, surrendering to the healing power of naked consciousness, waiting for the light out of darkness, and under the strict supervision of expert healers, who also interpreted their psychological states and dreams."

    Guess who knew how to make and go through portals in ancient times, the iatromantei.

    And this is how they did it.

    You could create hospice centers and then portal centers using a form of incubation and all the tech we have now would help.

    The Scientologists do some form of this.

    The right set and setting though and skilled guide, lead to the best results.

    Guides are required for this to go orderly and efficiently, but those could be teachers of a kind.

    Jungians probably know how best to do this in today's culture.

    They understand the fundamentals of incubation well I feel based on my research.

    Esoteric Psychology is the key to all states of mind a la Parmenides, Jung and the Sufis.

    The TV just said let's pray to Zeus for a miracle.

    How about I pray to Zeus in me?

    ........

    I asked Zeus to grant this lowly smelly goat access to the mysteries of creation.

    He said, why should I?

    I said....

    Bahahaha

    He said, the secret is in the Psyche.

    To say the soul doesn't exist is ignorant, it is the breath.

    "PSYKHE (Psyche) was the goddess of the soul and the wife of Eros (Roman Cupid) god of love.

    She was once a mortal princess whose extraordinary beauty earned the ire of Aphrodite (Roman Venus) when men began turning their worship away from the goddess towards the girl. Aphrodite commanded Eros make Psykhe fall in love with the most hideous of men but the god instead fell in love and carried her off to his hidden palace. Eros hid his true identity and told Psykhe she must never gaze upon his face. Her jealous sisters, however, tricked her into disobeying and the angry god forsook her. Psykhe searched the world for her lost love and eventually came into the service of Aphrodite. The goddess commanded her perform a series of seemingly impossible tasks which culminated in a journey to the Underworld. Psykhe was afterwards reunited with Eros and the couple were married in a ceremony attended by all the gods.

    Psykhe was depicted in ancient mosaic art as a butterfly-winged woman in the company of her husband Eros. Sometimes a pair of Pyskhai (Psychae) were depicted--the second perhaps representing their daughter Hedone (Pleasure)."

    To hear a God speak thusly must be quite scary. Venus speaks...

    ‘Here am I, the ancient mother of the universe, the founding creator of the elements, the Venus that tends the entire world, compelled to share the glory of my majesty with a mortal maiden, so that my name which has its niche in heaven is degraded by the foulness of the earth below! Am I then to share with another the supplications to my divine power, am I to endure vague adoration by proxy, allowing a mortal girl to strut around posing as my double? What a waste of effort it was for the shepherd [Paris] whose justice and honesty won the approval of great Jupiter [Zeus] to reckon my matchless beauty superior to that of those great goddesses! But this girl, whoever she is, is not going to enjoy appropriating the honours that are mine; I shall soon ensure that she rues the beauty which is not hers by rights!'

    She almost sounds Human or we almost sound like Her.

    Thanks Zeus.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:58 pm

    Incubation allows the seeker to strip away all the layers of perception, accessing deeper dimensions of being.

    This art turns out to be extremely effective for bringing poise into the psyche and the body, finding the source of well-being and natural healing.

    The only thing required is to lie down comfortably, preferably in a dark place, and pay relaxed attention to the sensation of the body, including the breath, the heartbeat and the silence within, without trying to control thoughts nor emotions, and yet keeping an open mind and longing heart for the cure of the waters of the Mother Soul.

    I have a new book coming from the main proponent of Incubation in the West today, scholar Peter Kingsley. He became a Sufi after his wrestling with himself. I am drawn to his work because it seems very similar to my Ayuasca work.

    A strange side effect of the psychedelics is that I can't remember my dreams anymore, seems correlated. I know I still dream sometimes. I have to dig deeper. The two volume set about the end of the world is below, I can't wait to see how it all turns out Wink

    CATAFALQUE: CARL JUNG AND THE END OF HUMANITY

    I'll skip to the end Dan and tell you how it all ends.

    I know you worry about such things.

    Some new Carl Jung books are coming soon released posthumously.

    The Logos and Silence are the keys to Psyche.

    Heraclitus felt the truth was available to any who could apprehend it, not secret clubs.

    He said "listen not to me, but to the logos, it is wise to agree that all things are one".

    "One would never discover the limits of psyche, should one traverse every road--so deep a logos does it possess."

    "For psyches it is joy or death to become wet.... We live their death and they live our death."

    "Poor witnesses for people are eyes and ears if they have psyches that do not understand their language."

    "The way up and the way down are one and the same." This is his deepest insight: all becoming is circular (notice that, indeed, in a circle the way up and the way down are one and the same). The same is true of human life: "In us the living and the dead, wakefulness and sleep, youth and old age, are one and the same: for the ones are changed into the others, and reciprocally."

    But Parmenides feels we cannot think nor say not-being. Thus, he rejects outright the possibility of the horribly difficult thought of not-being.

    They were trying to save the appearances with immortal thoughts. What Parmenides was after, then, is the truth behind appearances, and what he was saying is that becoming and change are merely appearances; true being is changeless.

    Heraclitus and Parmenides seem to be on opposite sides: one affirms becoming and change, the other denies them. Nietchze interstingly tried to flesh out Heraclitis to the extreme. Heidegger, however, has written that those two philosophers say the same thing.

    But Heidegger was a Nazi, can we trust him Wink

    These are some of the smartest people who have ever lived maybe and they can't agree about being and the logos. These questions about being and non-being are simply not asked by most people. I feel intuitively Parmenides is closer to the center.

    Back to Jung and Barfield. I think they are onto something, a synthesis and the Romantics and Poets support them. Barfield's final participation involves alpha and beta thinking to participate again with nature and reality in using our imaginations productively.

    Parmenides to me then is with Barfield.

    Heraclitus and Nietchze just can't get there without the Goddess, these are all words for ideas. That the Underworld exists and exerts some influence over us.

    "The idols are tough and hard to crack, but through the first real fissure we make in them we find ourselves looking, how deeply, into a new world! If the eighteenth-century botanist, looking for the first time through the old idols of Linnaeus's fixed and time-less classification into the new perspective of biological evolution felt a sense of liberation and of light, it can have been but a candle-flame compared with the first glimpse we now get of the familiar world and human history lying together, bathed in the light of the evolution of consciousness."

    My will takes me to these waters to drink from, to each his own I guess, but I know I am onto something. With all that said, I think it's still deeper, IT is bottomless I guess.


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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:45 pm

    Aaron is about to become a father again, and has requested a leave of absence. Our best wishes to his family and its soon to be new member.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:47 pm

    I didn't realize we could do that, cool Wink
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:13 pm

    Dan misrepresents.

    I requested nothing.

    I stated what is, that is all.

    lol




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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:28 pm

    Dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me......
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:29 pm

    Ha

    Anyway, wife is starting to have stronger braxton hicks...it won't be much longer now.

    Also, she has been moody that I haven't been paying attention to her at night after the kiddos go to bed because I've been on the blog.

    She want's like a nightly prenatal massage or something like that....you know....because of all the work she is doing growing us a new baby.

    So I've gotz to spend my free time making her feel lots of love and relief from her bodily stresses of growing a baby.

    It's perfect timing though....just having recently defeated Choronzon and all...

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:29 pm

    Your mission is your family Aaron.

    Even the smelly goat takes care of his home before he flies the esoteric skies Wink

    I could have no peace to incubate without my family making me a space and me making space for them.

    Space was made for this all to happen in, kinda blows the mind.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:37 pm

    Gosh, I’ve learned more about portals today than I have in forty years.

    I’m sure that the journal is going to want to hear about this aspect of the project at the lake. I can hardly wait for the IPO.

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