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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:03 pm

    dd,

    I’ve not come across a good ontological argument for the third person of the Trinity. I could definitely use some help there.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:26 pm

    Unity of two creates the third.

    The painter, the paint, and the painting.

    Father, Mother, child.

    The watcher watching the play of two becoming one.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:03 pm

    Aaron is on the right track with his last statement.

    I believe it was Aquinas who said that while the Son is the reflection of the Father, the Spirit is like the hypostasis of the love and admiration of them in reflection.

    Or as Aaron said it is like the observer observing the relation of the observers. Will try to add more later.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:12 pm

    Ooh, I like that dd!

    The Spirit is like the hypostasis of the love and admiration of them in reflection.

    When the time and dimensions are right, we walk into the darkness to enjoy the hypostasis of love and admiration of the expanding universe in reflection.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:09 pm

    Aaron,

    Read through this. I will have more comments later, hopefully.

    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1036.htm
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:28 pm

    dd, that is a lot of content to read and I'm headed in the other direction right now....into the hypostasis of love and admiration of the expanding universe in reflection.  

    I'm going on a long vacation from thinking you might say, to focus on what is real rather than what might be real.

    If you have a specific question you need help working through feel free to PM me and I will do my best to help, otherwise I think Dan, Smelly, and the others will be able to compare notes with you.


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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:30 pm

    Thank you Aaron for asking the correct question. Would it matter if we referred to you as Aaro? Perhaps not, but that would not be your correct name. So why drop the "n" from the name of the Princess? Another lazy error by Dan? Perhaps he should be called Da?
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    Post by U Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:39 pm

    That's nothing compared to the Disclorer, even the Disruptor and the Discloser run in fear from him!
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:54 pm

    Not sure what you guys are talking about.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:41 pm

    Yesterday as I was flying somewhere, I saw a scene in my mind.

    It was 100% unprompted and spontaneous.

    Take it or leave it.

    It was for me specifically after all.

    I saw myself yelling at me across the room in the corner.

    Something whispered, ‘you are free from him now.’

    I was startled.

    I said, free from him, if you are speaking to me, the third, who am I?

    I assumed the one speaking to me was my spirit.

    And it said, you are the child.

    Whoaaa.

    I let that sink in.

    Then I watched myself ranting more and pacing in the corner.

    The image of me flickered.

    I saw two images jumping in and out of existence.

    I saw myself turn into a jester, creepy one, he danced a jig and dove and rolled in front of me facing me face to face and he laughed, smiled and kissed me on the forehead.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:37 am

    It looks like it is time for me to head out to the lake.

    Kevin gave me a fair appraisal, last night...... of the general situation.  

    It sounds about right, to me.  

    Kevin has done the hard work. I may get to see some of the results.

    Many have their reservations. They are welcome to them.

    It doesn’t sound sound like this has not been written in the stars, but that’s just my opinion.


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:50 am

    Smelly drank some magic green tea yesterday and turned into a creepy jester.

    Dan is coming to the Lake to rescue Kevin from the clutches of Dr. Cage Rattler.

    Cool

    Be careful not to accidentally slip into the portal when you are at the lab by the lake.

    I’ve heard there may be spontaneous one way portals that randomly appear there. If you accidentally trip into one you might never come back.

    Or maybe you would want to go to the other side and never come back.

    You are old enough though that you won’t have to wait too much longer now anyway...Wink

    I will have to have you over for dinner or something. Just don’t tell my wife how much I blog while I’m at work. Wink lol


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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:59 am

    Aaron,

    We’ll be seeing each other, I’m sure.

    Old enough........ probably so.

    I’m asking for the Princess’ blessing.

    Foot has asked me to point out that her original name was Aliyah Nisa. There is likely to be some significance there.


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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:12 am

    I'm only 8 hours away.  Probably can't make it though Wink
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:29 am

    Boy, 10 hours. Ya, that's much too far to travel just for Dan. Wink

    Although it might be worth it just to get the autograph of the Antichrist. That might be worth good money someday.

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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:45 am

    Please, dd,

    See if you can make it.  I’m about to board.

    Reluctantly, the Princess gave me permission to go to the lake.  She would not give me her blessing.  I’m still on her black list.

    I might even get to meet Charlie.


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    Post by hobbit Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:01 am

    dan wrote:Aaron,

    We’ll be seeing each other, I’m sure.

    Old enough........ probably so.

    I’m asking for the Princess’ blessing.  

    Foot has asked me to point out that her original name was Aliyah Nisa.  There is likely to be some significance there.  


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    Our house is covered in Nisses soon.

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    Post by U Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:30 am

    Well in other news, I thought Doug's appearance on Grant's show was interesting. Doug seems like a genuine guy and the song was good, a little too good infact, the lyrics hit a little too close to home and creeped me out, nice and ominous as the year ends and we creep ever closer to the one year anniversary of the beginning of disclosure. I saw some shots were fired at Dan too, I'm sure it was all in good fun and you're all still friends though. However to address a statement from the Princess however I'll say, yes, guilty as charged! I do want capital D disclosure for my own egotistical purposes! I would like to use the technology to enhance my body and brain so I could never be weak or stupid again. I would like to see the look on the normies's faces go from smug to terrified as they realize that the one thing they ruled out of their life, the one thing that just couldn't possibly be true is very very real and they have been horribly and profoundly wrong about this issue to the detriment of their fellow people, they'll regret their ostracism of those who had to face the phenomena straight on. It'll be okay they'll get over it and learn from their mistakes, the only thing that'll be hurt is their feelings, they'll heal. I could channel my inner AP and say we need disclosure so we can heal the environment. I'll be totally selfish in saying I want clean air to breathe and good food to eat. Luckily I have those things now but the futurists are always spelling out soon and gloom even if they don't realize it. UFOs in a way could be a bulwark of sorts against the deterioration of nature, if used correctly. The KWF could probably make good use of exotic craft to rescue animals with, given the chance. Finally what does UFOs have to do with mental health, are the mentally ill drawn to the topic or more controversially, does the topic create mental illness? That's one we should all ponder very carefully and how it effects us all. The possibilities for growth intellectually, spiritually and physically are almost endless, no wonder Dan has a different answer every time you ask him why he wants disclosure, you could never run out of reasons why! Some on the inside may say that there are reasons we may not want disclosure at all but they don't tell us what those reasons are so we don't know that we don't want it. Such a viscious cycle isn't it?
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:11 pm

    Well, Buddy,

    I know, a lot of folks are going to have a hard time accepting the SWH........ God would not have deceived us, like that. Well, God would not do so, without a very good reason. You can take that to the bank.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:23 pm

    Dan,

    Sorry, wish I could!  I got to catch up on work tomorrow.  If Joe needs a theologians at the Lake, send me a plane ticket Wink.

    Or maybe I'll just finally call you.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:34 pm

    Again, Disclosure smosure.

    Your thoughts are clashing with your senses.

    You are caught in that backwash as a human being.

    You have to see through the delusion.

    Study David Hume.

    Skepticism can poke holes in anything, because we are uncertain really about pretty much everything.

    Take no fixed position.

    That is such a stupid stupid stupid muppet move to think you are certain and have it settled.

    You will never be certain, let it go, you will be much more content without certainty.

    Be skeptical, of yourself most and first.

    There is something pushing you through your thoughts and feelings.

    Learning that you are the space these things appear in will be your Disclosure.

    Pay attention.

    Straight on.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:38 pm

    smelly,

    My favorite skeptic...... to the End.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:58 pm

    Hume is like an acid, that dissolves all man-made constructs.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:02 pm

    Hume does _not_ scare me...... even slightly.

    I dissolve davy.


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    While Hermeticism posits the interconnection of all things in the universe, the Qabalah shows what the connections actually are, and forms a metaphorical map of the cosmos. The system postulates ten spheres, or sephiroth, that make up the energetic circuit of creation—beginning with Godhead and terminating in manifest reality. This map demonstrates how reality comes into being, starting from the void, progressing through the mind of God, into causal blueprints carried out by angels, through the astral world of dreams and emotions, and then into the physical world.
    Hmmm........ Kevin is quite the little Kabbalahist.


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