Immaterialism 6

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dan wrote:hobbit,

Yes, gravity does not exist, other than in our heads.  

Tell that to smelly.........!

I do not exist, other than in your head.  

And you do not exist, other than in my head.  

Maybe...... just maybe, hobbit, we’d better stick together.  

What think, my furry little friend?  

I think it is Reynard chicken little should be aware of, they are sly ones hiding in plain site.



hobbit

Just watching the clouds roll by.

Nice song, hobbit.  

Where has all the time gone......?

Finally, I’ve taken Newton’s absolute time, and trapped it in Zen bottle of absolute nothingness.  

Eat your heart out, smelly.  

But you should be celebrating our victory over time.


smelly,

Well, a cloud atlas might come in handy, then...... it’s all about where all the time has gone........ back to the Logos, everyone.  


Yes, folks, we created time as we spun out the Logos of our best possible Metanarrative.  

You may take that to the big bank in the sky...... with compound interest.  Isn’t that right, smelly?  

The Logos is the magic tapestry of the Metanarrative..... weaving together our lives.  Isn’t that right, hobbit?  

The Logos is the golden thread...... our Indra’s Necklace..... it forms the gravitational field of Monadnock.  

It is the cosmic Yggdrasil tree...... roots in hell and branches in heaven.  

The water it drinks, the air it breathes is love...... even from hell. Sunshine is its ambrosia...... speaking of which...... here comes the sun......



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dan wrote:Nice song, hobbit.  

Where has all the time gone......?

Finally, I’ve taken Newton’s absolute time, and trapped it in Zen bottle of absolute nothingness.  

Eat your heart out, smelly.  

But you should be celebrating our victory over time.  


smelly,

Well, a cloud atlas might come in handy, then.  



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Acorns and apples hitting heads need to crack open more visions of time/gravity.


Time doesn't go anywhere, that is why time travel is achievable, Newton was correct about it flowing, but what is flowing is the enabler of time/gravity.

We are specks on the egg surface of this planet, switching on/off and resetting each time relative to the rate of implosion over outrush .
We age at our own unique rate of implosion over outrush, and reset fractional different each time.

hobbit

Now the sky is clear.

The Logos comes and goes like clouds.

Invite it to tea if it wants to stay awhile.

I’m clouds.

I’m not right or wrong
About anything
I’m just here
And it is very clear

Teatime.......?

It might be more like the great banquet of the parousia....... the restaurant at the end of the universe..... Mos’s cantina...... Rick’s cafe......  

The Christian scriptures, when translated into Chinese, use the word "Tao" to express the concept of "Word," or "Logos" in the Greek.

We don’t say..........

There are two paths to the absolute...... the kataphatic and the apophatic.

They will land you in the same place.  How could they not?  

The absolute is the Source...... the Alpha and the Omega.



(cont......)

Words words words

Birds birds birds

Turds turds turds

Can't you two figure out how to merge together yet?

Well, it seems we have a room, right here on OM.

Is there any rush?

We have all the time in the world.........

Put you guys in a locked room like the Cardinals in Rome and you'd find nothing but a bloody stain the next day.

Truth is, they are already merged together.

But that doesn't stop us from enjoying their amusing play and dance.

We have been enjoying watching the dance of yin and yang for eternity

We can see straight through their word games though

As Dan would say, it's all over but the shouting.

There is an unbreakable harmony in Dan and Smelly's act

You just have to pull back the curtains and expose the great and powerful Wizard of OZ for what he really is....a pretender



Everyone is sticking to their protocols it seems

Wu Wei

whoknows wrote:Put you guys in a locked room like the Cardinals in Rome and you'd find nothing but a bloody stain the next day.

I look forward to final merger.

I'm not doing butt stuff, just sayin

And I thought we had a great dialogue going until the leaky muppet showed up.

Who cares what you think about what we say?

Bahahahahahaha

Be nice Smelly

Hippies are welcome here

I like helping smelly achieve his true dream.

A wanabe preacher with a mega church of his own.

To bad he dosen't do anything new, ever.

Just goat poop.

Too bad you can't hear anything and join in authentically and dance.

Instead you sit on the wall, the coward you are.

Hiding in your little ego.

I have no dream, I'm being lived by my life.

I like to sing and dance.

There is nothing new needed.

What is here is quite profound.

Maybe examine why that annoys you muppet.

Or not, who cares.

I do enjoy you being annoyed.

You are the goat poop leaky britches.

bark bark bark

Personal portals will be of the subjective variety.  They will not lend themselves to Disclosure.  

A foray to Brazil might be disclosable, but....... I was on the scene of one of the alleged manifestations, and noticed nothing...... paying too much attention to Lais, supposedly.  

The happenings at the Lake could rise to the level of Disclosure, if folks connect them dots.  

My exclusion from those events could expedite a preliminary event.  

Somehow, I feel that diminished communication with Aliyah might have augmented my communication with Eric.  I was able to hear better.


6:10.......

I would suggest that the only salvation for humankind is to be found in personalism. This is not rocket science.

Will everyone of us have to be personally guided through a portal, in order for us to escape the clutches of materialism?

Sometimes it seems that way. The carrot of coherence, and the stick of the implosion of materialism are on very few radar screens. It would require a conspiracy the woken ones. How unlikely is that?


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Don't know.

Straight on.

Dan and I had a chat.

I wanted to see what he was up to.

I just felt to call him.

I was driving home and I had just gotten some gas and I just pulled over and said call Dan.

I asked why he was disconnected from his sponsors.

They seem to have some extreme politics I can’t say I share.

That’s second hand, so not fair for me to say.

Dan is authentic and I respect him a great deal.

I can’t say he is confused, how would I know?

His way is just not my way.

I shared with him some strange things related to the Trickster.

I was curious what he thought.

Something said stuck with me.

It is the person Jesus I felt I met as a child, I had said I felt close to, but I never saw that Jesus in church.

I don't accept any prophecy or version of creation from a book talking monkeys wrote

What is just is for me.

I think Dan’s personalism rant has something to it.

We are all just trying to make our way in life together, whether we like it or not.

I think Dan knows I am not really against him.

I’m just flowing and poking.

When one feels the scary aloneness I felt, not depression, a deep abyss and then you meet a person like Dan, you think you may have found a kindred spirit and then they start on about the religion you left, it can be a challenge.

I took great offense to Dan’s mission and hold on history.

How dare he claim to be the SoT!

There is none I railed!

He brought out some deep stuff.

How dare he talk about my friend Jesus related to Disclosure I thought!

I didn’t even know what Disclosure was when I showed up here and I still don’t.

I have no reaction to that word but bewilderment.

What could they be seeking?

It bugged me.

But not enough to get close enough to find out.

I felt very very strongly to stay away.

OMF was plenty close enough to whatever for me.

I see I had a personal experience that left me in the jet wash of Consciousness.

He let me work it out.

He wanted to throw me off the board several times.

I’m glad he didn’t.

Boy though I taunted him to death to make him.

He gave me the ammunition

My relationship to Dan and our connection is meaningful personally to me.

It may have no other significance.

But I think personal connections maybe are the whole meaning of life.

And that’s kinda his point maybe.

This is the Trickster energy partly here.

I let it possess me.

I gave my self to it with glee.

I understood one thing it communicated to me, let go.

You can embody any archetype you find within yourself.

But listen, that energy would burn the world while laughing.

Like a Nero or Trump.

I was spinning out of control when I met Dan.

I let my self spin out all the way and I found control was a lie.

I let the process flow as it liked.

It’s been hella fun Dan.

He will be away a few days.

Relax and enjoy Dan.

I’ll wait...what’s a muppet to do?

I agree with Goethe, the only valid criticism is celebration.

“Construction and destruction alike satisfy the will to power, but construction is more difficult as a rule, and therefore gives more satisfaction to the person who can achieve it.” —Betrund Russell

I was talking to Aaron today and I said I felt it was good to master at least one thing, for me it’s being a Cloud Architect. I’m really good at it almost effortlessly. I love writing software. It’s very meditative for me to work. I just let it happen now and I’m better than ever at it.

We had both said it gives a statisfaction to do something well, as well as you know you can do it, not others.

So dance and celebrate with us maybe.

This is fun.

You make your own meaning in life connecting to it.

“I am more and more convinced that whenever one has to vent an opinion on the actions or on the writings of others, unless this be done from a certain one-sided enthusiasm, or from a loving interest in the person and the work, the result is hardly worth gathering up. Sympathy and enjoyment in what we see is in fact the only reality, and, from such reality, reality as a natural product follows. All else is vanity.”

—Goethe

From Conversations with Goethe...they are speaking about Zen beginner mind. Orson Welles calls this the “gift of ignorance.”

In ignorance and open heart and mind, you can do so much. You do it because you love being what you are.

What Goethe tells Eckermann comes remarkably close to the Buddhist notion of “beginner’s mind”. I’ve read Shakespeare and so agree with Goethe here. I had to ignore the masters and face now with no history and an open mind.

“A dramatic talent of any importance … could not forbear to notice Shakespeare’s works, nay, could not forbear to study them. Having studied them, he must be aware that Shakespeare has already exhausted the whole of human nature in all its tendencies, in all its heights and depths, and that, in fact, there remains for him, the aftercomer, nothing more to do. And how could one get courage only to put pen to paper, if one were conscious in an earnest appreciating spirit, that such unfathomable and unattainable excellences were already in existence!”

Funny passage that made me think of Dan.

“That which we call the True, even in relation to a single object, is by no means something small, narrow, limited; rather is it, even if something simple, at the same time something comprehensive, which like the various manifestations of a deep and widely reaching natural law, cannot easily be expressed. It cannot be disposed of by a sentence, or by sentence upon sentence, or by sentence opposed to sentence, but, through all these, one attains just an approximation, not the goal itself… Goethe’s [remarks are] indeed often of manifest contradiction.

But all these contradictions are single sides of the True, and, taken together, denote the essence of truth itself, and lead to an approximation to it.”

All of us make up the essence of our Truth.

Dan and I, two sides of the same coin.

Both have the seed of the other within them.

That didn’t sound exactly right, you know what I mean.

I’m naturally the way I am, a smartass too, but not a cynic.

Plenty of cynics here though.

Dan and I left it all on the field enthusiastically!

Have you?

I'm weeping buckets of JOY right now... am speechless.... except for just one word.....

Thank you, smelly, for all that.  

If we wish to conceptualize (left brain)..... smelly represents the right brain.  

I’m here explaining the right side to the modern analytical minded.  

In the Eschaton, the right dominates.  

The right is paranoid of the left, in the meantime, and with good reason.  

Is Hallelujah in order, yet?

It was for me, 42 years ago, but we are coming to a tricky passage for us lefties......


11.........

This concerns the split in the left/prophetic path between the Zoroastrian and the Abrahamic traditions.  

This split might also be characterized as between the Aryans and the universalists.  

Jason Jorjani is the darling of the Aryans.  Steve Bannon is being a bit more cagey, still playing the Roman card.  

And where does the ROCO/EOC fit in...?

One might think some of them would be keeping their options open, even more than the Romans.  

Foot is at least pretending to go with zoro.  

He might be aware, however, that the zs are covers for the as.  

Like I say, things are liable to get a bit tricky, just about now.


noon(ft)........

When will it become clear as to whether there will be a public Disclosure or not?  

Within the next couple of years, I would say.  

If there were to be a public Disclosure, it would most likely be some sort of Lake effect.  

Otherwise, it would be smelly and me disclosing Nothingness.  That would even be trickier, especially without the Princess and the dimensional door.  

Any suggestions along these lines?  

Maybe the best possible way to split this difference is to have the nyt mention the Lake effect.  smelly and I would be caught up in that back wash.  


(cont........)

“There is strong shadow where there is much light.

...

You would not exist if the light did not see you.”

Goethe is such a force of heart and mind entwined.

Great beauty in him, he reflects the light like a sparkling jewel.