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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:09 pm

    First topic message reminder :

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    Post by SurfBum Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:09 am

    Nothing anyone has to say will confuse me. 

    Keep blabbering away Dan.

    I have no idea what you are on about but you seem very confused to me.

    What do I know though?

    I can only speak for my self.

    Checkmate.

    I always win Dan.

    Since I always win there really is no chess game at all, only the illusion of one.

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    We don't need an education.

    We don't need thought control.

    All in all Dan, you're just another brick in the wall.

    Just like all the rest of us.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:21 am

    Dan is a loose brick in the wall.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:22 am

    I'm just going to ignore Dan from now on whenever he pretends like he has some special piece of knowledge or wisdom or truth that I am missing.

    I'm bored if his silly game.

    Yawn.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:26 am

    That leaves just Little Chicken and Chicken Con to peck randomly in this dirt as they carve their way further down.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:38 am

    foot,

    Randomly, or could there be a method in my madness?

    My only method now is to stand my ground.  

    Here I stand, I could do no other.


    Yes, Aaron, if you could just be so kind as to ignore me elsewhere.  


    I have found the truth. The truth is mine. It is a simple truth, but it is not a small truth. It remains in place for everyone to find. You may find it on your own, sure, but when you find it, you’ll want nothing more than to share it. Believe you me.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:43 am

    I have never told Aaron or anyone what to think or do.

    I demanded authenticity.

    There is none here.

    I brought what I had to offer.

    I’m off to play with my Green Eyed Lady.

    Peace out.

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    Post by SurfBum Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:57 am

    Yes, smelly was a model for authenticity and showed us how to catch ourselves pretending not to be IT Now as we feel to be.

    Smelly taught us the art of trusting our self and keeping focused on the present.

    He also taught us the power of 
    Now
    Now
    Now 
    By throwing pretenders off balconies. 

    Have a good life Smelly.

    I'm out of here too.

    There really is nothing left to say.

    I think the balcony throw was the last lesson needed here really.

    Good times...
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:06 am

    Thank you, smelly and Aaron.  

    You frivolity was much appreciated, but times do move on.......


    The good news is here to stay.  It was inevitable, as it is unavoidable.  

    When you feel it, you will feel it’s urging to its Eu Angel.  Accept no substitutes.  Anything less is a fading distraction.  Every shadow points to it.

    Some are lost in the gloom, but not for much longer.

    The Sun will never set on this truth. It is the true Sun.



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    Post by SurfBum Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:20 am

    Have fun Dan.

    I will be keeping an I on U.

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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:21 am

    I’m counting on it, already......
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:24 am

    There is no Good News and God is Dead!!!

    “Ogres and hobgoblins can at will assume the outward form of Bodhisattvas; such are heretical and not of the true Buddha. There is no Buddha but your own thoughts. Buddha is the Way. The Way is Zen. This word Zen cannot be understood even of the wise. Zen means ‘for a man to behold his fundamental nature.”

    BEHOLD

    And behold the Ogre and Hobglobin pretenders...be vigilant against their lies.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:55 am

    Yes, smelly, God is dead, but if we clap loudly, God will let her light shine in all of us...... at once.

    Seeing will be believing, and believing will be seeing.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:03 am

    I watch and trust all of you as you are Now completely.

    My cup runneth over.

    The garden is unique and diverse as it is beautiful.
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    Post by GrandCru Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:30 am



    "DON'T TEST ME AGAIN" warns little chicken dan. Waiving his finger as hard as he can

    His friends are exposed, now quick on the lam. Knee jerks ensue, how sad little man.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:05 pm

    GC,

    If you would like to participate here, you must state your beliefs.

    Mama don’t allow no free loaders around here. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.
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    Post by GrandCru Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:53 pm



    I've stated my beliefs previously in your other Immaterialism pages. I'm sure your familiar with how to browse a user's posts. I don't do homework for Ivy league grads unless they pay me *wink*.

    Dan clears the air, no threats are there. He puffs his chest, thank god you're spared.
    Because if you knew that Ron was close, you might not want to upload your posts.

    This place is fun.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:05 pm

    GC,

    Well, I gather you are a liberal theist of some sort.  That hardly makes you a best possible worlder.  

    As a liberal theist, you are close to being a universalist.  As such you are also a monist.  

    Are you a personalist?  Yes, as is anyone in the Christian tradition, although, very few would subscribe, explicitly.  

    Are you an immaterialist?  You would not find that to be an alien ontology, as a personalist and monist.

    Are you an eschatologist?  If you were at all consistent in your beliefs, you would not believe in the big world of modern cosmology.  The small world, with its Eschaton, is the only alternative.  


    9:45..........

    In this age of postmodernism, even materialist atheists are not as far from the truth as we might like to think.

    They might be able to grasp the truth more easily than many fundamentalists.  The fundamentalists have no clue about the Logos.  Many of them have never had an original thought in their lives.  

    My sympathies are with these.  The rest of us can take care of ourselves.  

    Yes, the discloser will be a disturber of the status quo, whatever little of that may be left.  

    We are more than ready for the MoAPS.  Why could it not have been more spontaneous?  Are we sheeple, as so many suggest?  

    We were merely waiting for the stars to align.  Why the stars?  

    Why the cosmic trigger?  

    Was it not just the sausage factory, coming around again?  

    It was the hopes and fears of all the years..... they had to come around again.  We knew they would, every last one of us.  

    The hopes and fears were going to meet somewhere.... somewhen.... somehow.

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:32 am

    dan wrote:

    In this age of postmodernism, even materialist atheists are not as far from the truth as we might like to think.


    What do you mean by 'postmodernist' in this context? Are you referring to the works of Foucault, Lyotard, or Derrida? Or do you mean it generally, in a colloquial manner?
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:12 am

    There is a temple where the blue heron stands, a mountain lake out west.
    She fishes there for brook trout.
    When the mayfly hatch fills the evening sky, she watches for the fish to rise.
    Her legs reach deep below the surface of the water finding stability in the mud and silt below.
    Her sharp eyes pierce through her own reflection deep into the murky waters below.
    When she gets her evening fill she fles away.
    Her magestic beaty fills the golden evening sky.


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    Post by dan Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:41 am

    PF,

    Most terms, I use in their colloquial sense, but there may be a few exceptions with technical philosophical terms.  If in doubt, it’s colloquial.  


    In the meantime, disclosure remains vulnerable.  This is the apparent downside of personalism.  

    Individuals tend to function arbitrarily, and they are vulnerable to personal attacks, of course.  

    Yes, there were bound to be personal bottlenecks to disclosure.  Is the remedy meant to be an impersonal disclosure?  


    I like your poem, Aaron.  


    Well, disclosure will entail a vision...... requiring a visionary.  This is where the personal is unavoidable.  

    Those inclined to the ETH suppose that the vision will be imposed upon us....... outsourced.  

    No.  The truth lies within.  Someone has to bring it to the surface.  That someone will be the SoT.  If the BPWH is in the right ballpark, disclosure is a fait accompli.  All the the personal shenanigans can hinder the process, but not render it null and void.  

    In the end, the timing will be the best possible, regardless of all the intervening shenanigans.  Even the shenanigans are written in the stars.  

    With recent events, there was appearing to be a set up, of sorts.  But with one or two well placed snafus, the entire Rube Goldberg apparatus of TTSA, SLC, Skinwalker, etc...... could come tumbling down.  

    Where would that leave us?  Back at the drawing board?  

    It might.  

    Will we have to reinvent a similar apparatus?  It could take decades.  I doubt that so much could hang on the mischief or misguidance of a few individuals.  I  doubt that the orchestration is quite so arbitrary.  Rather, we are seeing built in holds in the countdown.  

    Or maybe it’s designed to come tumbling down...... revealing the puppeteer within.

    Could the hand maid be the foot man?


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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:32 pm

    dan wrote:I have found the truth. The truth is mine. It is a simple truth, but it is not a small truth. It remains in place for everyone to find. You may find it on your own, sure, but when you find it, you’ll want nothing more than to share it. Believe you me
    ......

    Dan,
    The difference between you and us is that you have more information. Or do you?
    Were you selected because you were a test to prove organic truth can be obtained?
    But is your selection not some form of validation thus giving you a cheat?
    Or have you been Bennowtz’d?
    Or are you playing all of us?

    Regardless, your belief system is presumed to be based on more “facts” and special access.
    If everyone needs to know the truth, are we stuck with the natural organic Dan truth but with a little less Foot powder?

    Also, there is no one in this small world that doesn’t love you.
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    Post by Sweet Release Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:20 pm

    Just checking in to verify that you're all still wasting each other's time with delusional gibberish.

    Carry on! Razz
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    Post by dan Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:16 am

    Thank you for checking in, sweetie.  


    cw,

    Am I in thrall to Ron and Aliyah?  

    I’m in thrall to Jesus.  But not so much to Jesus the individual as to Jesus the person. There is a difference, if you are a personalist.  

    We respect the office of the President, even when it is obvious that too many Presidents have been sleaze balls.  

    Do we respect the office of the Christ?

    Well, I’m willing to suppose that Ron and Aliyah are running interference for the Antichrist.  But, heck, I’ve been wrong before.  


    11:20.........

    Is there an office of the Christ?  

    I think maybe not.  Is there an office of the son?  Not really, but you might be adopted.

    Is there a difference between being adopted and appointed?  

    I believe there is......... and it’s about persons.  

    Being adopted is about the person.  Being appointed is mainly about the office.  

    Individual v person......?

    It’s like ego v self...... that would be a starting point.  

    Personhood may be recycled, and, in fact it always is, because there is only one cosmic Self.  We are elaborations of that unit.  


    12:30(gmt-4)..........

    Elaborations.......?

    Yes, but be careful here......

    Persons cannot make persons, contrary to popular opinion.  

    Biologists cannot make life, contrary to scientific opinion.  

    Life makes life, chemicals don’t.  

    Persons.......?

    The Monad makes persons....... well, not deliberately...... certainly not at first.  

    Initially, the replication of personhood occurs by a sort of meiosis.  

    But, before we get to replication, we might better address origination......

    To understand origination, we have to understand time.

    How did time originate?  

    We might as well ask why there is something rather than nothing.  

    Or what is the minimal something?  

    The minimal something is self awareness, which is tantamount to personhood.  

    But we also believe that the minimal existence is the BPWH.  

    We believe in the potency of potentiality.  

    The best possible world wills itself into existence.  

    Some folks will themselves into nonexistence.  

    The world does that also.  It’s called the Eschaton, which is an essential aspect of the BPWH.  


    2:20...........

    Where there’s a will....... where there is potentiality......

    Will does partially align itself along the gender axis.  The Antichrist is then the female component.  In comparison with the I Am and the Antichrist, Jesus is more neutral.

    The Antichrist simply brings up the rear..... plays caboose on the glory train.  Yes, I’m Thanatos, if you please.  I could be terribly sexist and point to the animal/vegetal of ontogeny.  

    About being fruitful and multiplying...... not so much...... not any more, sports fans.  We’ve been there, we’ve done that, and we all have the t-shirts.  Thank you, Lord.  

    Could God be self aware?  Not hardly.  That’s why we have the Creator.  I’m just saying that Creation/Imagination is built into the very idea of personhood, especially when seen through the lens of potentiality.  

    The BPWH was already a gleam in her eye, while she was in the womb of potentiality.  

    Once you’ve seen Paris, you’re not gonna want to go back on the farm.  Resistance is futile.  

    There is nothing else to Disclose.  Lights in the sky?  Give us a break.  


    We have spoken of cancer v chrysalis.  We might also speak of death throes v birth pangs.  There is something going on...... which is it, sports fans?  


    With questions of potentiality, we are speaking of philosophical modality...... what are the modes of existence and nonexistence?

    .......


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    Post by SurfBum Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:29 am

    And behold the Ogre and Hobglobin pretenders...be vigilant against their lies.

    “A man with outward courage dares to die; a man with inner courage dares to live.” -Tao Te Ching

    Who is free to do what he will?

    I Am.

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    Post by hobbit Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:53 am

    This reality is whatever the overall consciousness deems it to become.




    https://www.gotquestions.org/you-reap-what-you-sow.html

    Everything else alive ( independent local consciousness field) is content to be unless variations created by incoming information causes changes.
    humans are inputting vast new information constantly.

    Look at the gaming industry....violence in the extreme been so called PLAYED by millions.
    Constant talk of global warming.


    This is an interactive system.

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