Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

First topic message reminder :

Dan,

I had no previous knowledge of, or intent to achieve that which occurred.

I climbed on top of a portal chamber (hence My interest in anything portal related) to photograph a crop circle adjacent....
When this reality went and I tripped across into the most fabulous none physical dimension of indescribeable Mandelbrot scene with sounds not of this world.
My physical suddenly began to be upset as I didn't exist, or the earth below.
I was still wondering and asking who are You to my physical entity when a third Me began talking and telling me to be calm and repeat what ever it told Me, which was it was Me from 5D.

I had lots explained, but can only recall that which I repeated .
All of this time My physical entity was really quite funny telling the other two to shut up and it wanted to be back in 3D.

My higher self ( in 5d) is that called father.
My 3D self ( physical) is Earth to be.
My 4D self is ( consciousness) spirit, as such.

I didn't want to return , the love is immense.

hobbit

In the Garden of Eden snakes walk and talk and use telepathy don’t you know

No one denying climate change can be trusted.

They are enemies of Wartg, You and Self.

They will whither.

The Earth will rebalance the equation even if life being wiped out is the result.

Or actions will be erased in time.

It’s all part of the same process.

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Once you see the game, you wonder who is in charge.

You accept they lied about all of it out of confusion more than anything.

Greed is confusion.

Mission is confusion.

Purpose is confusion.

Action is confusion.

Looking for the cause?

It seems the finger always points back at you.

If you point to Jesus, you are pointing at your Self.

Helps true message was my message.

I am not Jesus, I AM ME, but I listened to him and followed him out of the matrix.

He has my eternal thanks.

I, as an abstraction, do not really need or want anything.

So those behind climate change don’t know Self.

The godhead can never be the object of its own knowledge.

It always says I don’t know to itself.

I don’t know is the same as humility and love.

I do not understand anything.

Brahman is unknown to most because we only cling to our needs and fears to force things to conform to your will.

But any point on the surface of the sphere is the center.

You don’t have to let go of anything, because you don’t have a prayer, you will vanish. Nothing in life can be held onto. Nature has already taken care of things for you, so relax and coast into life.

Now you have an incredible amount of power from acing death and certain failure.

What to do with it?

Just being is just fine, but is that enough?

Then you can be trusted with power, when you see no need to use it.

Isn’t it just always like this

So it’s not a view or belief I hold any longer driving life.

There is no such thing as ‘right’ belief and thus ‘right’ actions

In Christianity, your belief is more important than what you do.

Gnostics were anti-materialists seeing man as pneumatic, psychic and Hyclic.

Those most material are wooden.

We can’t do nothing, we are karma, we are time, we are action. The thing we look for is us doing life.

The ancient Christian fathers said the same as Hindus.

Gnosis is different then religion today. A different way to know Self experientially beyond belief.

This is called the Dark Knowledge of God, the cloud of unknowing.

This leads to Dionysius, a Syrian monk who came from Plotonius.

Get back to the basics and you might have some inkling of what I mean.

http://www.alaalsayid.com/ebooks/OSHO%20pdf/Theologia%20Mystica.pdf

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopagite_03_divine_names.htm

All that can be seen is something less than.

You can only gain Gnosis by letting all concepts go is the summary of Dionysius, non-conceptual knowledge. Zen’s view as well. This does not mean BLANK mind empty of thought and perception. Catatonia is not the way. They are no better than rocks and wood.

Enlightened mind contains everything like Mind does and can’t be empty, all is within it. It isn’t stained by what it contains. Your basic mind is like space, pure. Not non-sexual. There is lots of sexiness in Mind.

We are wrong mostly about sex and love.

The snakes know all of us this and can teach you if you like.

The highest form of man is not just sitting empty on a log shutting out life, this couldn’t be non-dualistic.

So simply, there is not now, nor never will be ‘Outside’ space!

smelly wrote:In the Garden of Eden snakes walk and talk and use telepathy don’t you know

No one denying climate change can be trusted.

They are enemies of Wartg, You and Self.

They will whither.

The Earth will rebalance the equation even if life being wiped out is the result.

Or actions will be erased in time.

It’s all part of the same process.

Says the guy who sounds like he idolizes Weishaupt?

Hard data tracking climate changes depict not global warming but rather pole shift.  104 inches of snow Great Falls, MT; 108 inches of snow Billings Montana, Central Montana 4 inches of snow middle of April...

Florida airport has to reset/adjust their markers for the planes due to changes in physical position on the navagational maps.

Magnetic north marching toward Siberia over 10+ miles per year and increasing total average yearly

Actual data doesn't lie...icepack north increasing whilst antarctic icepack decreasing...

But snakes have legs and walk when humans quit the brain cells in the grey matter betwixt their ears.

Funny how the global warming enthusiasts on the Weather Channel went silent as the sprawling winter progressed and continued dumping into Spring.

Let's not write new myths as proof of our intellectual prowress

cy

i will agree ive read a few articles stating that the poles are shifting .

there seam to be a lot of debate about the amount of ice at Antarctica
brake away ice in one section and gaining more in others.

the image of the ice in the north pole seams to me just getting smaller and smaller decade by decade.

Signman

Read my post 1 or 2 up Cy, it’s all clear.

Dualism is confusion.

I see through the game

Now I can be and not be in peace.

Awareness can’t be fooled.

There is no puzzle about this Universe at all.

No labels needed.

Why? Because you are all trying to explain IT.

A real explanation is not a controllable description.

We don’t want to control the world or chop it into pieces.

So the sharper our knife and knowledge, the more and better we can cut up things, which is just vain knowledge of techne.

You have the illusion you solved a problem. We are more comfortable they say now than the 19th century. Was it worth it, by a razors edge yes.

It’s nice to just be able to sit with the world and not dissect or explain it.

You will wake up from this dream as the supreme One?

Why, your dream is your game.

It can be cut infinitely.

Everyone is running like mad for something they don’t understand.

All explanations are for control and maybe we don’t need them.

I don’t need anyone to explain life, do you?

It’s not complicated at all.

Words are clumsy.

Nature is not complicated, the words are.

I let eternity and knowing eternity go forever.

Eternity it seems is always here now, not in a world to come.

What you are experiencing here now is You, how to control it?

You can’t.

If you want to get together and chant, great, make it an art form. It’s only good art if your expression is for no gain but the joy of expression.

So can we wish away all philosophical and religious discussion, no, that is still seeking!

What a trap.

Will you call the bluff here without becoming cynics?

How do you get out of a double bind situation?

Do something or nothing?

It’s all here, nothing more to realize than what is before you now.

The stars are just fireworks, life is a celebration of itself and surely with all of that true, I surely will die.

I promise at my death there will be great joy irregardless of the circumstances.

I hope that for all of you too, if you drop the sham, you will become joy.

Amor Fati

Hey all, just a quick FYI.  We lost a forum member today.  The forum member requested account deletion.  The given reason was stated to be repeat verbal abuse by more than one member.  So just to let all our regulars here know, lets tone down the pot shots flying across the digital divide a bit. 

We can all disagree, but for a member to blow up and just have their whole account deleted over the usual disagreements natural to this landscape is a sign of things getting excessive.  So I'm asking everyone to soften the retorts. 

We can still agree to disagree wherever anyone see's fit to do, but I think everyone gets my meaning here?

Ok?

I gotta run now.  Laters!

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question

how come you all have + & - on you posts and i don't

Cyrellys,

Thank you for your continued moderation, particularly of this section.  I will try to be more observant.  There may be some confusion about this being a catch all section.  This has not been the intention.  


Joe continues to make progress with his apparatus by the lake.  I have read though his essay on the Revolution in Physics...... http://motionphysics.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Revolutions-In-Physics.pdf  .  I find it to be a throughly readable history of the ins and outs of Relativity theory.  It does not touch upon the device in question, nor upon his extensive cosmological ideas.  

I should say that I endorse all attempts to augment our understanding of the world.  Both the successes and failures of these attempts will add to the human store of knowledge.  

Joe is a firm proponent of an infinite, physical world.  He is also a proponent of the steady state theory.  The BPWH may be viewed as a minuscule version of the Steady State concept, if you include the closed dimensionality of time along its closed spatial dimension.

He is reluctant to discuss any possible metaphysical or portal phenomena that may be associated with the device.  He does recognize that there can be local, observable, lingering distortions of space.  However, he has no inclination to humor any little chickens.  Humor is not usually a strong suit for inventors.  



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I didn’t think anyone got personal other than Dan hating on hobbit.

Things were good here.

Good riddens.

Their problems and issues are theirs alone.

Hope they clear up their bad vision.

It’s clear what’s happening to any Fool here.

We each must face our lives and each other, no cheating.

No apologies are necessary from anyone.

Hurt feelings are just ego running away.

Good ones AP, gonna listen a few times to those because I pay attention.

There are fools everywhere, tripping over them.

Nice.

Yep, life is worth it.

But there is no fight needed.

Dan, but 'the guys at the lake' did tell you that they captured something anomalous on film and I got the impression from you that it was something paranormal.

smelly wrote:I didn’t think anyone got personal other than Dan hating on hobbit.

Things were good here.

Good riddens.

Their problems and issues are theirs alone.

Hope they clear up their bad vision.

It’s clear what’s happening to any Fool here.

We each must face our lives and each other, no cheating.

No apologies are necessary from anyone.

Hurt feelings are just ego running away.

"Dan hating on hobbit"?????

As far as I remember this thread is about the best possible world theory....
Is this correct?

I have not sensed any "hate" by any posters on here.

My position on this whole theory is simple.

Know thyself.
Which in turn means knowing what and where We are, and the system We are within.
There on some on here who are clearly within religious belief systems, and it is My experience that whatever belief systems humans inhabit then that belief systems fights to be correct.

If a poster has felt they have to leave this site then it shows the way belief systems fight, as when an isolated poster retreats away from perceived attack.

Hobbit

Today I took Eric’s advice and accepted that I’m nothing.

As my ego shrunk, I felt an amazing sense of freedom that I’ve never felt before.

A little while later I walked naked into my backyard and planted some flowers. My kitties were running around as well and were enjoying the nice weather

dan wrote:
The BPWH may be viewed as a minuscule version of the Steady State concept, if you include the closed dimensionality of time along its closed spatial dimension.

Dan!

Did you really get into a “gunfight” at a mountain with Joe Firmage?

Did your BPWH win?

Hi Bubbles

Bubbles wrote: Today I took Eric’s advice and accepted that I’m nothing.

Sorry but i disagree with this statement. None of us are nothing, we can all contribute something to this world no matter how small


Signman

Signman is right...AS USUAL
The universe abhors nothing...'
Nothing is the opposite of love...'
The opposite of love is NOT hate...

Bubbles ...dont fear GOD....
...or Our Brothers & sisters in space

Dont acknowledge negativity,...,and actualize it by giving it conscious thought....instead actualize positives....Pray/meditate & love others ....

Bubbles, you are the opposite of nothing..,
As Dan might say... YOU ARE THE BEST POSSIBLE BUBBLES!!!

Enjoy!

Princess, the only way it would make any sense for me to go to Colorado would be for you to be forthcoming with me about your access to the hive. You and I could then determine the best possible disclosure.

Who deserves being the conduit to disclosure MORE than Dan??? Nobody!

The grassroots People's Disclosure.... is the best one possible.... & all the pieces are miraculously leaping together ...We want you at EVERYONE of our locations Dan!!! If they LOCK you out still, you KNOW where to find us.....but the Princess knows the best path!!

The People's Disclosure NEEDS all of you...
Here's the INSTRUCTIONS...(The Princess already knows this ....) .... But this is the Blueprint for DISCLOSURE...
...the FIRST line is for FOOT MAN...& other "gatekeepers"...
https://youtu.be/quBCjo2rUZg

Happy Saturday everybody. It’s the best possible world, time for me to go find the best possible donut...

Yes, the princess was correct.  This verged on being an ultimatum.  I then asked if she would acknowledge my being very patient.  She would not play the ‘game’.  

What I am tempted to point out to her is that she is one half of a double team, but only I can know the full extent of that.  

I was able to ascertain that I was going to be grossly outnumbered in Colorado.  I would effectively be the decoration, potentially lending my support to fraudulent claims being made by k&j.  

I can understand that the device by the lake, fraudulent or no, could serve as a useful foot in the door of disclosure.  Have there not already been a plethora of feet in that door?  I don’t choose to be trampled.  

I figure that the deaf ear ratio may be a tad lower at OM.  

It has been many a moon since kevin and I were able to have an actual conversation. Joe is simply not able to grasp the concept. I have been screamed at, for not having towed the ad-astra party line. Not my cup of tea, princess.


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Dan,

Who are you going to be outnumbered by? Other members of the Aviary? Joe's people?

AP,

Could you articulate why your "People's Disclosure" will be different than those attempted by others (i.e. Steven Greer, Stephen Bassett)? How will your effort be more effective, and why is it the "Best Possible Disclosure?"

Today is a good day to be alive and to die.

Things are happening and changing.

You are very different than you were yesterday.

What an absolute marvel life is and that the Earth is calm enough to let us enjoy ourselves here now.

Are you having fun and enjoying yourself?

If not, you are way off balance.

Can you give a praise to life?

Then praise!

Death will be here soon enough.



You are always enough to live and we’re chosen to do so by chance or will, part of a whole, never alone or apart from anything.

dd,

I am always outnumbered by everyone.  It gets old.  Princess promises to be a game changer.  Promises, promises.

I believe that AP is talking about a grass roots encounter movement. If so, it is a surprisingly novel idea. I wish him well.

There are no sides Dan, how could you be outnumbered?

I wouldn’t be apart of lies for any price or justification, walk if you must.

You still are not looking at things wholly Dan.

I know your vision will improve.

Accept it all as your Self.

Goes easier that way oddly.

Ignore anyone’s agenda and play your own game.

AP, no one deserves anything, we are all alive and have an equal stake.

smelly refuses to acknowledge that Paradigms exist...... much less that they might shift.

I am all too aware that the Paradigm will shift in its own good/best possible time. I am just a wannabe cheerleader..... it makes me feel so cheery.



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