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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:54 am

    And I yell to the sky from the earth...

    I am here!

    I am not afraid!

    I have awoken!

    I am grateful!

    Lakota Prayer wrote:Aho Mitakuye Oyasin…All my relations.

    I honor you in this circle of life with me today. I am grateful for this opportunity to acknowledge you in this prayer…

    To the Creator, for the ultimate gift of life, I thank you.

    To the mineral nation that has built and maintained my bones and all foundations of life experience, I thank you.

    To the plant nation that sustains my organs and body and gives me healing herbs for sickness, I thank you.

    To the animal nation that feeds me from your own flesh and offers your loyal companionship in this walk of life, I thank you.

    To the human nation that shares my path as a soul upon the sacred wheel of Earthly life, I thank you.

    To the Spirit nation that guides me invisibly through the ups and downs of life and for carrying the torch of light through the Ages, I thank you.

    To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.

    You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.

    Thank you for this Life.

    And that's all you need to know and do.

    Clarity shows you, all questions can be let go.

    When there are no more questions, there simply is what is happening.

    And this is happening muppets.

    And most are terrified.

    But not all of us.

    We are strong, not just for ourselves, but also for all our relations.

    And then you die.

    Nothing else need be said or understood about this.

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    Post by dan Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:43 am

    Yes, Chivo is quite ok with most of us being terrified.  

    chick is not……. not here at the end.  

    There is an unknown.  

    There is an Abyss.  

    Some of us have had a close encounter with the Abyss.  

    I have not had that fortune, but……..

    Well, I have encountered a dark night of the soul.  

    It was a wake-up call, but I didn’t know what I was waking up to.  

    It was ten years before the encounter with Sophia.  

    I was unable to share the first encounter.  

    The second had a taste of the Evangel.  

    It was another five years before the gestalt switch…… before the Eschaton hove into view.  

    When I tried to show and tell….. it was a no show.  

    Well, finally, there was one person who would listen…….. it was his job.  

    The only person, anywhere, with that particular job.  

    The entanglement had to begin somewhere.  

    It had actually begun some twenty years earlier, as things began to be explained.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:11 am

    No, I am not ok with everyone tripping around blind and terrified.

    This is why I help everyone around me to see clearly.

    But they have do their own work.

    One has to learn to accept the unknown.

    In the Chinese system, we are not trying to explain the unknown, we are focused on how best to live and navigate the flow and our interconnections.

    In my view, people like you are confused and inside out trying to explain what can’t nor needs be explained.

    You are here, this is happening, live with it.

    I did have a close encounter with the abyss.

    It unlocked potential inside me.

    I applied myself.

    It showed me what to do.

    It introduced my self to my identity, that is the dark night.

    My identity dissolved and this is what is left.

    I flowed with it.

    I tapped into it.

    I create from it.

    It isn’t my job, living became my passion.

    Clarity became my guide.

    I do not fear it.

    Even though it is my end and dissolution.

    I know I am of it.

    I know I am it.

    That is the gift of awareness.

    You relax, calm down and learn not to let circumstances or muppets get you down.

    The purpose is this.

    You learn all books and words and thoughts are not solutions.

    It would be wonderful if everyone could wake up.

    But they can’t and won’t.

    So we do the best we can in the best possible of all worlds.

    We don’t force things or others to open.

    We open ourselves up.

    We don’t demand or seek explanations.

    The ones needing to explain are the ones holding on to things too tightly.

    One way or another, you will release your grasp.

    It’s much better to let go, than have things ripped away.

    Then we can truly commune with one another and share in this.

    We can accept and understand each other.

    We see ourselves in everything and each other.

    What a wonderful world this would be if we loved one another unconditionally.

    But the animal we ride upon has its own desires and drives and goals.

    It selfishly clings, as it should to survive, but once it has carried you far enough, you can let go of it and wander around and stretch your legs and take in the air and learn to love the beast.

    This life is not a prison, our thinking makes it so.

    The gnostics are so wrong on this point

    If you don’t realize life while alive, you certainly won’t realize anything dead.

    Those poor fools looking beyond death have missed this.

    Christian nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism are the last gasps of ignorance.

    Their revolution is an abortion, how ironic.

    One should not delay, they should live now, this is why we are.

    All that nonsense is fine.

    Let them whoop and holler and shoot their guns.

    Let them hate the other as long as their anger can drive them.

    It’s always happened like this.

    They always burn 🔥 down what they have built.

    You cannot reason with zealots.

    Identity is a powerful force upon the muppet mind.

    It takes a brush with the abyss to free yourself from its grip.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:12 pm

    Finally the Chicken acknowledges the pain and suffering I have endured over the years with the best and worst job on the planet. It was the first job bestowed on me by the Princess years after she first contacted the Chicken. "Listen to the Chicken" she commanded. "For how long must I endure this burden?" I responded. "Until the end of time," she commanded. Although the Chicken never said as much, my sense is she also commanded him to, "Speak to my foot." You might think I would complain about having the worse job on the planet, but it comes with benefits. I get to serve of the Princess. Those who have not or who cannot will not understand what it is like to serve perfection. The chicken is one of very few others occasionally given that opportunity, and it will nourish him until the end of time as well.
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:21 pm

    Poor Chivo, he doesn’t understand entanglement.  

    There can be no entanglement without something to entangle.  

    Nothing can entangle without identity.  

    All existence is relative.  

    Existence has to start somewhere.  

    Logically, it can only start with the I Am.  

    But here’s the tricky part……..

    Yes, existence must have a Source, but it must also have an End.  

    Why not keep things simple…….. Source = End.  

    Alpha = Omega.  

    Existence entails identity.  

    Identity is relative to Alpha (= Omega).  

    Let the circle be unbroken.  

    We must get our ducks 🦆 in a row?  

    No.  We must get them in a circle.  

    Every point on the circle is essential to the circle.  

    Now we only need determine the circumference.  

    That’s easy.  

    It’s 10^10.  

    It is rather important to understand that there can only be one circle.

    Is God being stingy?  

    God simply puts her eggs in one basket 🧺.  

    Imagine having two baskets.  

    How silly would that be?  

    We get to appreciate the beauty of all this, sub specie aeternitatis.  

    Why not now?  

    Well, we can have our cake, and eat it, too, just not at the same time.  

    I think we’ll understand that soon enough.  

    Chivo, mystic that he is, would much prefer God to be sitting on a remote cloud ☁.

    God doesn’t play solitaire……… 🍻.

    God invites his 10^10 best friends to the restaurant at the End of the universe.

    It’s party time 🥳.



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    Post by U Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:20 pm

    Famous last words.

    "All Around and Away We Go"

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    Post by GSB Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:22 am

    The quantum gets personal ...



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    Post by dan Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:00 pm

    Non-action……. wonderful!

    But why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Creation is action.  

    To refuse to procreate requires another kind of action.  

    Then we have civilization and its discontents.  

    We have social contracts.  

    Taoism is about going with the flow.  

    What is the flow is never entirely clear.  

    Sages have argued that point for millennia.  

    What is progress?  

    The notion of progress does not fit into any models of nature.  

    There would be natural cycles.  

    The Tao includes Heaven in its model of Nature, by the way.  
    …………. 


    Mysticism plus science is a double barreled Katechon to defend against the encroaching Eschaton.  

    As the times grow more tenuous, our need for any sort of defense grows stronger.  

    Modernism is increasingly abandoning rationality. 

    Now that its deconstructive phase has run its course, philosophical analysis is being besieged by emergentism……. the emergence of personhood being in the forefront.  

    But lurking behind every form of emergence is the shadow of the Eschaton.  

    The invasion of the Ukraine 🇺🇦 was fashioned, in no small measure, with this in mind.  

    It was a wake-up call against the juggernaut of Western deconstruction. 

    Will any of this be translated into something explicit? 

    That remains to be seen.  

    Taiwan likely hangs in that balance.   

    A GT encounter could be pivotal, therein.  

    That’s about as explicit as I can be at this point.  



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    Post by GSB Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:27 pm

    Non-human persons?

    Journal of Cosmology, Vol. 29, No. 1, pp. 20001 - 20016
    20002
    ULTRATERRESTRIAL MODELS
    H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D.
    Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin
    West Lake Hills, TX 78746
    Abstract

    Under consideration in this paper are two seminal statements and their
    concomitants, currently unknown, as follows:

    1. There is an unidentified phenomenon interacting with the current
    human population on Earth;

    2. It is currently unknown whether the phenomenon is exclusively
    extraterrestrial, extradimensional, crypto-terrestrial, demonic/djinn,
    proto/ancient human, time-travelers, etc., or some combination or
    mutation of any or all of these. However, it appears highly likely
    that the phenomenon per se is not constituted exclusively of
    members of the current human population.

    In this paper we address the above under the overarching theme
    Ultraterrestrials in order to develop a template to be matched against data at
    hand and that may be procured in the future.

    Key words: extraterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, time-travelers, forensics,
    disclosure

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    Post by dan Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:57 am

    Thanks, Gary, 

    Could Hal be getting religion? 
    ………….. 


    While modernism is deconstructing the world, Vladimir is deconstructing the Ukraine 🇺🇦.  

    And don’t sell your dinars……. Persia will rise again.  

    Once there was the Turco-Mongol hegemon.  

    But then we invented the Gatling gun…… the horse was history.  

    Then we invented the portal.  

    History was history.  

    What was invented at gt?  

    Civilization? 

    The shaman got new digs.  

    There were the nomads and there were the sedents.  

    The shaman gave way to the priest.  

    But writing could be mobile……. paperback rider.  

    Persian literature was the Iranian leviathan……. think Rumi.  

    It conquered the world. 

    Gatling guns be damned.  

    Shakespeare took up a pen.   

    The battle was engaged.  

    But what battle……. what engagement?  

    Well, then came Tik-Tok.  

    All the world’s a stage.  

    A stage for what? 

    We’re all dressed up……. 

    Portal, portal…… who’s got the portal?  

    Well, there are portals, and then there are portals.  

    It all depends on your inclinations…….
    There are heroes in the seaweed, there are children in the morning
    They are leaning out for love and they will lean that way forever
    For what do we lean?

    We have one foot on the ground, and one in the clouds……. boots on the ground and wings in the air.

    We have religion…… we have drugs……. we have literature.  

    We come from Heaven, trailing clouds of glory……. with our intimations of immortality.  

    We are left wallowing in our frustrations.  

    Maybe…… maybe not.  

    There are lights in the sky…… there are messengers of deception.  

    We have our errand into the wilderness.  

    We have our Walmarts and our K-marts.

    Is that all we shall have?  

    It’s not easy to prove otherwise.  

    Then we have the Anthropic Principle…….

    We have the participatory universe.

    There might even be a gnosis.

    We surely have a Noosphere.  

    There was a Genos…….. is there no Telos?  

    Do we have access to Truth?  

    Our access to Truth gives us intimations of Eternity.  

    By definition……. we moderns shun those intimations.

    We keep our nose to the grindstone…….. ours is not to reason why.

    Was there ever a meeting between Willard Libby, Edward Teller and Ronald Reagan?  

    If there was…….. someone’s got some ‘splainin to do.  

    Did someone punch a hole 🕳 in the Noosphere……. in the Katechon?

    That’s what gets chick 🐣 up in the morning……. keeping on scribbling.  

    Something fell to Earth…….. a starry messenger?  

    Was this the message of Gobekli Tepe…….. of James Webb?  

    Will the circle be unbroken?  

    How many Truths are there?  

    How many Eternities are there?  

    How many j-guys……….
    And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower
    And when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him
    He said all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them
    Have we got news for you……… just like one, two, three…….

    It’s so easy…….
    Don't know much about history
    Don't know much biology
    Don't know much about a science book……

    We are drowning, but we haven’t gotten the memo 📝.  

    One fine day……. we’ll get it.  

    It is written in the stars ✨, but you have to be willing to look.  

    Us, moderns……. we’re taught not to look.  

    We’re only allowed to look with telescopes and microscopes.  

    We’re not allowed to use our God-given common sense.  

    We’re told to be objective, but no one has ever shown us an object.  

    Objects in our objective universe are…….. no shows.  

    And, no, the Sun can’t possibly go out, because…….. it’s an object.

    I am a rock, I am an island……..

    Science only tells us that everything is relative.  

    If you show me one thing that is not an object…….. then nothing is.  

    Are there unobservable suns in unobservable universes?

    That’s what you’ll have to believe, if you want to be an objectivist.

    If I were you, I’d be on the lookout for a life vest.  

    Well…….. or how about a portal?  

    Make no mistake……… I’ve never seen a portal.  

    I’m not even sure I’d know what to look for.  

    I could go around looking for some entanglement, but, again…….

    Did the Telos bring us all this way just to throw us under the bus 🚌?

    But that’s ok……. we’re just atoms ⚛ swerving in the void.  

    We’re just meat machines with visions of glory.  
    ………..


    But I’m not here to criticize the scientific establishment.  

    They are caught in a bind…….. between a rock and a hard place.  

    They can’t just draw a line in the sand.  

    They can’t stop pushing the limits, even if they wanted to.  

    The ones who need to know have gotten the memo.  

    There is no fallback position……. short of the Eschaton.  

    The Katechon has only ever been a house of cards.  

    Does this mean that there can be no Disclosure……. up to the zero hour?  

    That’s the way it looks.  

    Sorry, sports fans.  

    There just aren’t any baby steps…….. besides the baby you see right here…….. 🐣.  

    You mean we came all this way for some show and tell, and all we get are those lousy Tic-tacs?  

    It’s pretty darn disappointing.  

    We’ll just have to be patient like everyone else.  

    There are no freebies…… not even a gimme cap 🧢.  

    But, hey, I know where you can get some MAGA hats at a discount.  



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    Post by dan Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:25 am

    Moving right along………

    The working hypothesis is that there will soon be temporary portals…… for the offloading of the global population.  

    There will be no recalcitrance……. no hesitation…….. just a very brief window of opportunity.  

    During which time, the Sun will be expiring…….. along with other processes associated with the Earth.  

    Stragglers will find no accommodation…….. they will likewise be expiring.  

    Yes, we have Pratītyasamutpāda…….. codependent arising.  

    Likewise, there will be codependent expiring.  

    The Earth and all its phenomenological accouterments will simply ‘evaporate’……. our geocentric Dreamtime will have run its course.  

    Geocentricity will simply have encountered its foreordained event horizon.  

    At least, this is how the Eschaton will appear from our worm’s eye perspective.  

    From a bird’s eye perspective, our Holocene is simply reorienting itself from shallow time to deep time.  

    Shallow time is actually permanent, under the rubric of deep time, which can itself be viewed as an aspect of the Akashic record or vice versa.  

    We are encouraged to revisit Earth whenever our hearts desire.  

    We already have/are……. just under the aegis of the I Am.  

    chick is aware that this is saying an ontological mouthful.  

    We will have ample time to dwell upon it, on the other side.  

    On the other side, our numbers will rapidly sublimate back onto the I Am.  

    This energy of ‘condensation’ is the obverse of our Herculean/Sisyphean tasks on this side.  

    It’s all downhill from here……. enjoy the (gnostic?) scenery.  

    Any other questions?



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    Post by GSB Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:39 pm

    Uri Geller warns Vladimir Putin:

    Read my warning which I sent to the Kremlin #Putin #Kremlin #Scotland
    11:16 AM · Aug 2, 2022 from Israel·Twitter for iPhone


    https://twitter.com/theurigeller


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:40 am

    What if there were to be a meeting of globally interested parties?

    What could be accomplished?  

    They might attempt to be on the same page with regard to their preferences and expectations.  

    No individual or nationality would desire an eschaton on its own behalf.  

    It would have to be jointly obligatory…… from the perspective of the best possible Metanarrative.  

    The only question on the table would likely be the optimal extent of preparation……. or lack thereof.  

    There is nothing to prevent a preemptive warning……. should any individual party have that desire and ability.  

    Up to now, the US has generally been conceded the lead on Disclosure….. mainly just by default and by its near hegemony of the global media.    

    But with the increasing scope of the social media, most any country, with a robust intelligence service, could engineer a quasi Disclosure, just on its own initiative.  

    There must be an inevitable optimal window, with which some of the parties would already be acquainted.  

    It is just a question of deciding on some joint course of action, or deciding to let nature take it’s course.  

    The only action in this case would be an agreement on a joint announcement.  

    Presumably, there already exists some level of joint and unilateral preparation.  

    Just for there to be a meeting would require some coordination and prior knowledge.  

    There would exist some understanding of the players involved and of the rules or parameters of the game.  

    There would be a set of relatively limited options to be considered.  

    There would be various roles to be played.

    There would be alternative sequences of events within a general time frame.  

    That frame has a maximum duration on the order of ten years.

    It is not clear whether the invasion of the Ukraine or the prospective invasion of Taiwan is part of the the jockeying for position in these regards.  

    What is clear is that there must be linkage…… on some level.

    There is a last minute manipulation of the Katechon……. on either side of the portal.  

    The sides and agendas will be increasingly blurred.  

    Given the levels of uncertainty and doubt, I would rather be too early than too late.

    The default position is to just let the cosmos take its own course.

    It will, of course, be doing that, regardless.

    The most we can do is offer reassurances……. even just that is much easier said than done.



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    Post by dan Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:49 am

    Yes, how do we explain to folks that the impending Eschaton will be the best possible Eschaton?

    This won’t make any sense without an understanding of the best possible Metanarrative.  

    Do we understand that the best possible Metanarrative is quantitatively bounded.  

    Very few will understand this without understanding personalism.  

    I’m doubtful that there is a course on the ontology of personalism anywhere in the world.  

    I’d better start investigating the book situation.  

    I’m not aware that there exist any books on the related topics of personalism, the small world, the best world or immaterialism.  

    Personalism has pretty much been defined by Thomas Aquinas and Emmanuel Mournier.  

    The emphasis is on the individual person.  

    There is no speculation on the cosmology of persons beyond what already exists in religion……… mainly or exclusively within Christianity.  

    We must keep in mind that Ontology is not just about what exists, but, more importantly, is about how things exist.  

    The only logical answer is that they exist by us, through us and for us.  

    I’m still looking for anyone who has made this statement.  

    It is alleged that Putin and Xi are already on board with the BPWH.  

    We just need to stop poking the Bear 🐻 and the Dragon 🐉.  

    I hadn’t really been aware of this.  
    ……….


    Like I say, Princess……. our biggest problem will be that we don’t have any problems.  

    Of course, we can always go roaming and see if we can scare up a few problems…….. on this side or the other.  

    vladdie and jinny are definitely working on this.



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    two and three align on the right, and chick on the left.  

    vladdie and jinnie are on the right.  

    This is four against one.

    wwjd?  

    The jguy was a monarchist……. no?  

    Well, the jguy was for the downtrodden and oppressed……. first, last and all that.  

    He was definitely a rebel.  

    And what does all this have to do with portals?  

    Portals are coming……. one way or t’other.  

    When the cat’s away……. the mice have been playing……. but not under vladdie and jinnie.  

    Do v&j anticipate the Endtimes?

    What role does democracy play in the Endtimes?  

    The return to Source…….. all roads lead to Rome.

    In the End, resistance is futile, as we are drawn into the Monad.  

    What role will regimentation play on the other side?  

    I see no suggestion of such in the NDEs or with psychedelics.

    Generally, one tries to follow the light……. but there will be plenty of backwaters, along the way.  

    When you feel yourself getting stuck…… it’s time to move on.  

    At the End, we have the Big Love.  

    Often, with portals, there is the question 🙋 of the disposition of bodies.  

    Our bodies might be illusory, but not so much at the grave.  

    Bodily logistics constitutes a major aspect of the Katechon.  

    With the Katechon finally removed…… we experience the lightness of being…… or something like that.  

    The default disposition is to float to and through the portals.  

    Woe be unto them that is with child.  

    You might not want an anchor baby at that point.  

    I’m doubtful that regimentation on this side will be a facilitator on the other side.  

    One supposes that the unconscious will be playing more of a role.
    ………..


    Conservation of matter/mass is a major feature of entanglement on this side.  

    Once the dimensional shift commences, disentanglement proceeds on this side.  The dimming of the Sun proceeds as well.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:35 am

    Jesus said and lived the way, LOVE.

    We are a part of a continuum and nature.

    There is absolutely nothing to worry about.

    Life nor death is to be feared.

    Follow the Way, the flow of nature, it’s going to take you through storms and sunny skies.

    Your friends are unwise not to go with the flow.

    Don’t pick sides.

    Know yourself.

    If one quiets their minds, they will know clearly what to do.

    It ain’t in no book.

    All books come from the way, the flow, why not go to the source of all of this Wink

    Why settle for obscured echoes?

    Why take the word of others?

    They do not know if they do not point you back to yourself.

    There are no teachers.

    Just friends.

    Meet all as friends, Rumi was right!

    Why not read yourself as the first and last book?

    It is not difficult, in fact, it’s the most natural thing we can do.

    I do not understand you at all Dan Smith.

    Your mind is your impediment it seems.

    You have not settled things.

    You seem very unsettled.

    Even the smelly ghost has figured it out, which is not to figure it out!

    Follow the music and the laughter.

    Accept the pain and tears too.

    Or you will be misled and distracted by mind, even in death the folly continues.

    Laugh at the monstrous and enjoy the beautiful.

    There is a better way than feeling your way blind, the only Way.

    Life is coherent and has a direction, on that we do agree.

    It is an art to find and follow it.

    To stay true to one’s heart is to stay close to it, as if around a fire.

    And all you need will come to you around that fire.

    We each do have an identity and destiny, but we need not cling to it.

    It will come, we just have to stay open to it and not grasp for or hold onto it.

    We are stewards and do have a responsibility for each other.

    Even if most in the world have forsaken themselves and the way, we do not have to who are aware and have hard won clarity.

    This clarity is the most precious gift we have.

    Do not squander it.

    I love the muppets, yes I do.

    I only despised my own ignorance, which I saw reflected in their sleeping eyes.

    But that has passed from me.

    It was a bitter struggle to be sure.

    But my struggle is ended.

    What to do with and for the world?

    It shall do for itself, better to play our part than try to destroy the game.

    Play the game, play it well.

    For one’s own satisfaction.

    This action leads to freedom.

    Real sweet freedom.

    I don’t have pity for any in this game.

    They each have a chance to make of themselves what they will.

    I do my best to support all those around me.

    It is better to be kind and generous and patient.

    Even a smelly 🐐 can learn how to play this game well.

    Even the homeless bum, who may be the richest of men and women if they are the best bum they can be.

    What a ride, what a game!
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    Post by 99 Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:08 pm

    GSB wrote:

    Thanks for posting this Gary. Great interview and an important one too. I'm very impressed by Dr. Garry Nolan and I think I'll start up a new thread in the UFO sub-forum here on some of his other online interviews he's done over the past year or so.

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    Post by dan Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:21 pm

    It’s no big deal……… the BPWH/SWH.  

    It’s hard to imagine it would be any other way.

    The Eschaton might start out as a surprise, but within a few minutes it will just be old news, as our inner psyche takes over.  

    Won’t the telephone circuits be jammed……. like on 9/11?  

    Not necessarily……. our psychic circuits will kick in……. as the Sun fades out.  

    Won’t the logistics be horrendous?  

    Will we really need five days?

    Pretty quickly, time will be fading out.  

    three’s rendition, I suspect, was unduly dramatic.  

    There will be surprisingly little trepidation……. it will be mostly just deja vu.  

    Out automatic responses will kick in.  

    We can just enjoy the change of scenery.  

    I’m suspecting that there will not be localized portals.  

    It will be the shifting of entanglements.  

    We will go back to our aboriginal Dreamtime.  

    Families may play a big role…….. there will be family reunions and other kinds of reunions.  

    There will be various kinds of shape shifting, along with gender fluidity.  

    There will be varying degrees of boredom…….. and lack thereof.  

    There will be various strategies for following the light.  

    There will be foot dragging…… along with the opposite.  

    It will be difficult to keep track of any sort of time.  

    There will be considerable interactions with strangers…… who turn out to not be strangers.  

    The various logistics and metabolisms will just work themselves out…… more or less seamlessly.  

    It’s all been written in the stars, since the beginning of time.  

    We think of all the possible complications……. but they will be melting away.  

    There will be plenty of life and history reviews…… of various sorts…. from various perspectives.  

    Our personal identities will be disentangling and re-entangling.  

    It will mostly be effortless…… unless you wish to make something of it.  

    We can have all the drama 🎭 we might wish for.  

    One way or another, we end back home with the I Am.  

    So, yes, it’s no big deal.  



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    Post by 99 Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:38 am

    Yea, the Sun may explode someday but there's a good chance life on this planet will have already been obliterated before that ever happens... by, you guessed it, humanity.


    Fears grow of nuclear catastrophe after attacks on power plant in Ukraine

    U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called Monday for international inspectors to be given access to the Russian-controlled site, adding: “Any attack to a nuclear plant is a suicidal thing.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-disaster-fears-zaporizhzhia-plant-rcna41959
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:03 am

    This is the biggest deal!

    Boredom is impossible.

    Egos get bored having their silliness exposed.

    Dan speaks of the sun going out, all I know is the shining sun.

    He sounds like a dead man walking.

    A ghost.

    No power.

    No joy.

    No love.

    Just empty hollow words.

    Sorry Dan, you just don’t have that zing!

    What I am on the outside is nothing special, but what is inside of everything, this mystery, is immense.

    It silences every fear.

    It rips my eyes away from any distraction.

    Uncovering it is the obsession of my life.

    It balances every equation.

    It takes away all questions.

    In religion, this never really happened for me.

    But, out and inside here, among the stars, this way of living is far beyond Kansas.

    This is not just peace.

    It’s peace everlasting.

    That the world would share my obsession is a hope.

    Nothing can beat hope.

    Where is Dan’s hope?

    I have no idea.

    I don’t know the man.

    I don’t relate at all to his concerns.

    My hope is not in a particular person or external thing.

    It has been realized a billion times over.

    Where is his fire?!

    There is no light to speak of in his friends.

    It is all buried deep.

    For the true light cannot be hidden.

    It must break out and shine forth.

    Let them hide in their bodies and fears and prognostications.

    There is no one hiding here.

    What I know and point to is the zero point.

    Pure pulsating power.

    The force is my ally and a powerful ally it is.

    That those here cannot see it or share in my joy is a pity and the ultimate witness of ignorance.

    They can eat cake.

    What I eat has granted me immortality for that is what we are in essence.

    I hold the key.

    It unlocks any lock.

    Not mine, but thy will be done.

    Dance, there is only the dance.

    Where is your wonder?!
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    Post by dan Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:48 am

    This is for my dearest friend……. Chivo…..
    I met a devil woman
    She took my heart away
    She said, I've had it comin' to me
    But I wanted it that way
    I think that any love is good lovin'
    So I took what I could get, mmh
    Oooh, oooh she looked at me with big brown eyes

    And said,
    You ain't seen nothin' yet
    B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet
    Here's something that you never gonna forget
    B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet
    Poor Chivo,

    He’s almost there, but he just can’t yet imagine that every last Muppet is about to see the face of God.  

    Even poor Chivo has not quite yet seen the face of God….. by his own admission, we might add.  

    What Chivo can’t quite understand is that you can’t see God in a closet.  

    You can only truly see God when you finally understand that everyone is just about to see God……. even or especially Putin and Xi.  

    They have excellent cause for believing that we are the Great Satan.

    They just can’t believe that Satan can and will shape-shift in a flash.

    But she looked at me with those big brown eyes…… and I knew that everything was possible.  

    B-b-b-baby………!!!

    It’s just… heroes in the seaweed, and children in the morning……

    The Princess lies……. about the 144,000 portals……

    What’s really gonna happen is that the whole Earth is about to turn itself into a portal…… turn itself inside out and upside down!!!

    B-b-b-baby……..!!!



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    Post by GSB Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:19 am

    What’s really gonna happen is that the whole Earth is about to turn itself into a portal…… turn itself inside out and upside down!!!

    B-b-b-baby……..!!!


    We've seen that one before ...



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