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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by GSB Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:42 am

    Will this get personal? Starting on page 87

    The term person comes from the Latin persona, whose origins are traceable to Greek drama, where the πρόσωπον, or mask, became identified with the role an actor would assume in a given production. Such usage is carried over today in the word “persona,” referring to characters in fictional literature or drama, or second identities which people adopt for behavior in given social contexts.

    Will the actors be unmasked?

    https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/s4503/BILLS-117s4503rs.pdf

    1 section, compile and itemize a complete historical
    2 record of the intelligence community’s involvement
    3 with unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena, in-
    4 cluding successful or unsuccessful efforts to identify
    5 and track unidentified aerospace-undersea phe-
    6 nomena, and any intelligence community efforts to
    7 obfuscate, manipulate public opinion, hide, or other
    8 wise provide unclassified or classified misinformation
    9 about unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena or
    10 related activities, based on the review conducted
    11 under paragraph (1).


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    Post by dan Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:42 am

    Gary,

    And here we are eschewing obfuscation by refusing to immanentize the Eschaton.

    Most folks wish their tax dollars to be earmarked for obfuscating and immanentizing the Eschaton.

    The USG appears to be meeting and exceeding our expectations.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:49 am

    One can hide in life all they like.

    Death will unmask you.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:14 pm

    I continue reading j3.

    Despite our profound differences, I find his synthetic take on history to be most provocative.

    I believe we could have a constructive conversation.

    Currently, I’m on his Leviathan.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:51 pm

    I’m actually working on a new business partnership with an Iranian PhD who owns a software company.

    He offered me a VP of Engineering role and a part of the company when he can raise some more money.

    We worked together at my last job at Rivian.

    I recently resigned and he reached out to me to explore a partnership.

    I’m jobless the last 3 weeks.

    I championed the purchase of his software for my group.

    Just today we were sharing some Rumi poems back and forth, that’s funny.

    I told him I was a madman.

    Very intimate doors opening, not usually how you relate in my field to one another.

    This is special.

    The universe is connecting us, weaving and knitting us together.

    This is a big sign to me to make myself available to him.

    He tells me I should hear Rumi in Farsi.

    It is so funny how the world turns when you follow your heart.

    This is the way to know and meet others.

    Not in the field of ideas, but in the field beyond good and evil, madness and sanity.

    I am in awe of Rumi and Sham’s friendship.

    I recommend a beautiful book by Coleman Barks, Soul Fury, about their friendship.

    I cultivate my friendships thusly.

    God is a friend, a jealous lover.

    Also today I spoke to an engineer at the job I just left who I brought over from another company we worked at together.

    I have always felt him as a son, his father died years ago and I have invested a lot into him.

    Today I told him I loved him very deeply and had felt to look out for him and he acknowledged this and has always wanted what I had and loved me like a father.

    He has it already I told him.

    We have worked together the last 3 years.

    This is the deeper level of life.

    This is the real world.

    I’m a fortunate old smelly 🐐  

    But if I had not followed my heart, none of this would have opened up.

    Personal indeed.

    To be a good friend and lover is the real lesson of life.

    To be open to others, to keep an open mind and accept all as friends is the best possible way.

    I am only now beginning to reap the harvest of seeds planted and watered over years.

    I am learning this with my wife as well.

    It takes humility to be known and open.

    It takes sacrifice sometimes for others.

    It takes generosity of spirit and time and resources to unlock the gold.

    One doesn’t need fear for their sustenance in this way of living.

    What is needed comes and you are able to let what others need pass through you.

    This cycle is healing and sustaining.

    It’s easy to say this or that, but it takes real heart and courage to be known and to love others and meet them where they are.

    If you have not love, you have nothing.

    Talk is cheap, love costs everything.

    I don’t care if someone has written books, I seek to know them heart to heart and pursue them like prey, as I was hunted by the 🌞

    Currently, I am standing before the sun, totally penetrated and transparent and it is showing me the reality of love in everything around me and I am humbled and inspired to not give my words, but to give my heart totally in all I do.

    I am a cracked imperfect vessel, but feel I am onto the real game at play here.

    I am learning to be a true friend.

    It doesn’t have anything to do really with the things and circumstances the world is worried about.

    I think this is my purpose.

    To live this and be an open portal to the real world.

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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:29 pm

    One more Task and then its Done, but the Chicken need not Run. He will be Last to close the Gate. For that has Always been his Fate. To say Goodbye to an Experiment gone Bad, the Chicken will not be at all Sad. One more Trip, and then all will be Ready. When the Chicken meets the Turkey, he begins his final Journey. As he looks upon the Princess, her hand upon the Switch, the Chicken will reach high, and throw the final Pitch.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:58 pm

    No one toggles the switch but a person themselves.

    The switch is in the heart.

    They will know you by your love.

    If you have not love, you have nothing.

    “God does not change the condition of the people until they change what is within themselves.”

    —Quran 13:11

    “It is the states of the heart, the place of our intentions, that holds us accountable.”

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    Post by dan Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:08 am

    This article is of general interest…….. https://thehermeticpenetrator.medium.com/lighthouses-in-the-dark-on-the-genomics-of-supernormality-close-encounters-of-the-6th-kind-b2745317d38b
    ………..


    According to j3, Rumi was an Assassin.  

    It makes some sense.  They did believe in the Unus Mundus/Agape and the Eschaton…… in accord with the Hegelian dialectic……. panentheism.

    They touched all the bases.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:49 am

    An assassin of love.
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    Post by GSB Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:16 pm

    "There are things we just cannot explain."



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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:40 pm

    Rumi will Respond. No need for a magic Wand. He is really not that far beyond. With the Princess there is a solid Bond.
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    Post by U Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:34 pm

    Why's he J3?

    I thought he was JRJ.

    What gives?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:10 pm

    Well, I have a direct connect to Rumi and Shams.

    I know them well
    They quell the swell

    It is in relationship, when one soul recognizes love in another, that the real magick occurs.

    One cannot do this on their own.

    I like PBJs myself…on sprouted bread with some cold oat milk of course.

    Yum.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:52 pm

    j3/jrj criticizes Pahlavi for not sufficiently following Hobbes’ Leviathan model of a strong monarch.  

    Hobbes was an anti-personalist.  

    The natural state was a state of war of all against all….. humanity being fatally depraved……. vainglorious.  

    two and three do believe this……. thus their support of Trump/Putin.  

    Democracy cannot operate without the various branches of the government operating in self-restraint under a constitutional balance of power.

    Without this mutuality of self-restraint, government will devolve to an oligarchy/monarchy.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:52 pm

    Trump, Putin and Xi, what a swell trio of muppets.

    Show me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.

    I’ll stick with Black Elk, Shams and Rumi.

    My trio beats that trio.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:07 pm

    Chivo,

    In a state of non-Disclosure, the best lack all conviction, and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

    Under the aegis of modern materialism, Truth has been abrogated by an arbitrary collection of facts…….. overridden by one imperative…… survival of the fittest.  

    Thus do we attain to the Hobbesian state of Nature, wherein Leviathan presents our only buffer with respect to a blood soaked anarchy.  
    ……..


    Materialism has been in ascendancy for centuries.  

    The Webb telescope could represent its last hurrah.  

    Then what?

    Then we understand that our mundane Leviathan might only be a reflection of something immortal…….. of which we are all a reflection….. which is our common Source.  

    If we are not lost in space and time, then we can only orient ourselves back to our common Source.  

    There would have to be an interpersonal…… an inter-dimensional gateway.  

    If space and time are illusory, then there is a cosmic code….. a cosmic trigger.  

    Science has exploded our world.  

    Then comes the implosion.  

    That is our paradigm shift…… our gestalt switch.  

    Tell the chick 🐣 that we don’t see any cracks in our cosmic shell.  

    Is the Webb not pointing to some serious stretch marks?  

    Do LIGO and the LHC just leave us twisting in the wind?  

    If everything is not just atoms swerving in the void, then everything is pointing to our destiny.  

    We just have to find the loose thread that will unravel our illusion.  

    If we have a destiny, it will manifest when we need it, and not a moment sooner……. the door will open when we knock ✊.  

    We may easily choose not to believe.  

    It will take only one to believe…….. and then we will be one with the One.  

    The first will be last, and the last will be first.  

    If chick has not stumbled upon the thread……. someone else will……. sooner than later…….. and somewhere this side of our implosion…… our meltdown.  

    Button, button…… who’s got the button?  

    three might not have it…….. but she does give pause.  

    If she doesn’t, can we not suspect that someone does?  

    The loose end of the ripcord……. would it not be interpersonally entangled?  

    We just need that critical mass……. then let ‘er rip!  

    Has the Katechon not done it’s job?  

    Would the Katechon overstay its welcome?  

    Could it not also be interpersonal?  

    Pratītyasamutpāda!  Sister, you just wait…….

    Would it not be possible to turn Jason on a dime……. to be born again?  

    Where there is a will, there is a way.  

    Where does the human will stop 🛑, and the cosmic Will begin?  

    Lots of questions……. and just one Answer……. who……who wrote the book of love……..
    I wonder, wonder who, who-oo-ooh, who
    (Who wrote the book of love)
    Tell me, tell me, tell me
    Oh, who wrote the Book Of Love……



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:02 pm

    Yah yah.

    Second Coming is a great poem.

    I know we are in a race to the bottom.

    Best to be pragmatic and let action lead for the benefit of living our best lives in the midst of monsters and climate collapse.

    This is why I think marital arts are so popular and folks like Joe Rogan.

    In a world where we seem to have no control, one can control themselves.

    This also accounts for the rise of Stoicism too.

    We always have the awful poetry of left foot to cheer us up with the laughter it triggers.

    My poetry is getting quite good.

    I am going all the way, going to publish some of my ramblings.
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    Post by GSB Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:39 am

    "Do you want to believe?"

    "All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office"

    DoD AARO

    I imagine Dan is offering his consulting services!




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    Post by dan Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:51 am

    Gary,

    Thanks.  I actually watched most of it.  

    It is mainly a lesson in how not to track the ufo phenomenon.  

    foot told me many years ago…….. we cannot track the phenomenon, so we track the individuals associated with the phenomenon.  

    John G, in following the paper trail, is engaged in a humongous paper chase.  

    Hey, somebody’s got to do it…… just in case.  

    In the domain of anomalous phenomena, there is a tremendous amount of smoke.  

    If you are not on the lookout for a core story you will be led on a paper chase.  

    There will be individuals associated with the core story.  

    The Aviary is an obvious place to begin.  

    The Aviary looks to MJ12, or to some such core group.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:20 am

    “It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.”

    --Nikola Tesla
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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:49 pm

    Joseph Firmage is moving to DC as a first major step towards the White House. In his campaign address this afternoon, President (not yet elected) Firmage described the six pillars of his Presidency. Study his platform and then decide. More Americans every day are putting their support on Joseph Firmage. He listened to the Chicken. Now listen to Mr. Firmage.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:05 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:Joseph Firmage is moving to DC as a first major step towards the White House. In his campaign address this afternoon, President (not yet elected) Firmage described the six pillars of his Presidency. Study his platform and then decide. More Americans every day are putting their support on Joseph Firmage. He listened to the Chicken. Now listen to Mr. Firmage.

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/joseph-p-firmage-announces-candidacy-president-united-joseph-firmage?trk=pulse-article_more-articles_related-content-card

    Just because I am not with you Dan and your friends, maybe don’t delete this.

    I know you guys can’t take criticism, at all.

    That speaks volumes.

    I know you guys can’t see me or hear me, that’s cool.

    But I’ll give you my honest smelly assessment.

    Above linkedin post released in Jan.

    All the links go the weather channel site Wink

    Hehe.

    This seems like a joke.

    It is funny 😆

    Let me try to keep it serious.

    I am apolitical.

    Anyone is better than Trump.

    Muppet politics isn’t really my concern.

    Hey, if Joe wants to be pres, more power to him.

    The portal is opening huh?

    Cool.

    Bring it on.

    The UFO web portal is still not live.

    There is only one portal, inside your heart.

    You either have cleaned up your act and met love or you haven’t, no compromises.

    This is the first sign that Joe unfortunately doesn’t know it’s beyond words.

    God, Cosmos isn’t a person or an entity.

    You have to meet yourself over the rainbow 🌈

    You are THAT!

    So, from a mystic 🧙 point of view, the claims are silly and uninformed.

    I do think this is part of a propaganda campaign.

    Now Dan supports all this with a straight face.

    Draw your own conclusions from this.

    You see what has happened here don’t you?

    When these jokers started putting all this stuff out, guess who showed up?

    I did.

    Draw your own conclusions from this.

    So for the ones I guess this message was for here on OMF, enjoy.

    I suppose Dan will comment on left foot’s post.

    My honest response.

    I do not listen to any muppet, I listen to myself.

    All my love 😍

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    Post by dan Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:38 am

    foot was recently unsuccessful in changing his password.  

    This last post was by another left foot.  

    In the past, foot has been supportive of Joe, over many years, but has never declared his personal support.  

    I have had numerous communications with Joe, but I have been unable to engage him in any meaningful conversation.  

    To my best understanding, Joe Firmage remains a technologically oriented technocrat.  

    He believes himself to have invented a free energy device.  

    He also believes that he plays a role in a galactic command structure, and claims to have had some role in the US Space Force.  

    It has been alleged that Joe has piloted a pod, which ended up in a Brazilian field, on his way to visit Bolsanaro.  Kevin Alber extracted him from Brazil 🇧🇷.  
    ……….


    There was also a discussion this morning of Jorjani’s view of Ayatollah Khomeini.  

    I believe that Jorjani saw Khomeini as a very significant actor in a hoped for resurrection of the Persian Empire that would eventually pass from an Islamic back to a more Mithraic form of governance.  


    I’m still attempting to ascertain Jorjani’s metaphysics.  

    His metaphysics is mainly monarchical.  

    He believes in Divine right, but his views on Divinity are unclear, beyond paying lip service to Mithra.  

    Mithraism is often claimed to be an offshoot or Zoroastrianism.  

    Precious little in known of Mithra, besides his being born of a rock.  

    I’m sorry, I’m singularly unimpressed with Jason’s grasp of metaphysics.  

    Jason wishes to be a politician of the paranormal.  

    Beyond that, I’m unable to ascertain a philosophy.  
    …………


    Hold the phone……….

    Jason points out that Khomeini was strongly influenced by Ibn Arabi’s notion of the perfect man……
    He had his first vision of God in his teens and later wrote of the experience as "the differentiation of the universal reality comprised by that look". Later he had several more visions of Jesus and called him his "first guide to the path of God".

    Ibn Arabi, being a Sufi, adapted his idea of the Logos from neo-Platonism.  The Logos was a super Angel mediating between the prophets and Allah.  

    At the very least, Jason is a crypto personalist in the Gnostic tradition.  

    I have made much of the Logos Spermatikos……. being the generative principle of the Evangel.  

    The Logos was a nearly universal concept in the Western prophetic tradition.  

    Where Jason nearly goes of the rails is in his Encounters book with a hierarchy of ETs.  Such is the rapture of the depths of time and space.  
    ……….


    Bhakti is the Eastern equivalent of Agape…….. spiritual love.  

    Can it get more personal?  

    We’ll go with anatta……… the ego being an illusion.  

    As far as the Logos goes…….. ultimately, the only perfection is to be found in the entanglement of agape.  

    Entanglement……. pratītyasamutpāda is the ground of Being.

    This would concur with Donald Hoffman…….. appearances are our user interface……… how we interface with the cosmic entanglement.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:10 am

    I’m completely unimpressed with Jorjani.

    These days I’m impressed with Stonehouse, zen poet and John Fante, writer, and a Taoist Sifu.

    I’m not focused on geopolitics.

    I’m focused on being the best human being I can be.

    Hope I get another today to continue my work!

    Living is hard work.
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    Post by U Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:58 pm

    Living is indeed hard work.

    Too hard for most.

    Why aren't you impressed with JASON?

    Is it because he's organized the most coherent cosmology thus far?

    There's no mystery to it, he's explained it quite thoroughly.

    It's almost identical to what I've presented on this godforsaken forum it's just packaged in a more professional and academic format. With a few details and chronologies mixed up and replaced for good measure.

    Life seems to imitate art and almost never the other way around.

    UFOs/UAPs are rather mundane in this model.

    Seems like the two of you would agree on that point.

    But by now you're past pondering cosmologies aren't you?

    It's all about that inner universe isn't it?

    The external just a mere distraction eh?

    You wouldn't be the first who felt that way.

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