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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by GSB Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:10 am

    Dan has not addressed the issue of personalism in the context of all possible persons (APP) -- if he wishes to reduce the person pool to 10^10 he needs to explain the discarding of all of the others.


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    Post by GSB Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:16 am

    Another important development that should impact Dan's philozophy is the ER=EPR; analogous to the discovery of E=mc^2, ER=EPR says gravity is quantum entanglement.

    Did Einstein subconsciously know this in 1935?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:50 am

    Physics doesn’t describe reality.

    It doesn’t explain anything but forms and structures.

    There isn’t any explanation possible, it’s about living in the middle of paradox, metaphysics.
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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:03 pm

    The Chicken may not be Well. He did not respond to the Bell. By the Horse he may have Fell. The Footman would not Tell. He said I should keep my ear to a Shell.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:33 pm

    He is an ole fart, can’t have too long left.

    Now or later, doesn’t really matter.

    Hope he gets better soon.

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    Post by 99 Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:59 am

    I was wondering what was going on with him so I called him three days ago to say hi and to check up on him.

    In his words, he said he's been feeling slow.

    He didn't elaborate on that or say anything about being sick but, on a positive note, he sounded pretty much like his usual self.

    My guess is that he's suffering from some sort of exhaustion.

    At any rate, not that I asked him, but he didn't say when he'll be back to the forum.

    I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things evolve.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:22 pm

    Left 🦶 you are all morons.

    Get out of your echo chamber and listen.

    I have seen you as nothing but idiots.

    Absolute idiots.

    I don’t expect you to listen or see anything beyond your stupid delusions.

    As you were.
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:07 pm

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:Left 🦶 you are all morons.

    Get out of your echo chamber and listen.

    I have seen you as nothing but idiots.

    Absolute idiots.

    I don’t expect you to listen or see anything beyond your stupid delusions.

    As you were.


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    That's enough smelly  Left Foot or Foot is correct.  You are over stepping and taking advantage here.  Seniors do not move at the same rate you do, you'll find that out soon enough.  Meanwhile you have your own board.  Feel free to make use of that till Dan returns.  Dan may have invited you, but I also know he's trimmed your clock more than once for over stepping.  How about we not make unnecessary work for him while he's not feeling entirely himself, hmmm?  Or shall I do the clock trimming for him?  I'm not as gracious as you well know.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:49 pm

    I’m just teasin.

    The left 🦶 are morons.

    Do as you like.

    Deuces.
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    Post by U Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:07 am

    Cy it's your forum.

    You steer this ship how you see fit and you've done so magnificently.

    But I'm going to try to make a counterpoint.

    I see things a little differently if you'll humor me.

    Smelly is only taking shots at right foot and left foot for the most part. I do find his comments about Dan's longevity to be a bit distasteful but I don't have strong legs to stand upon when it comes to being offensive. That being said, if some find my own antics on this forum to be distasteful as well, that is their opinion and I can't fault them for it but I can confidently and firmly say that any antagonism towards Dan from myself has been minimal to almost non-existent. If I make a post and it disappears, that's how the cookie crumbles, it doesn't bother me and I've rarely fought it.

    But I've been around here for a bit and I've observed certain behaviors too.

    Forgive me but what has either of the Foots done to receive special treatment, our respect or even reasonable/rational discourse?

    These users have no problem insulting those who engage with this forum and the greater ufo and paranormal phenomena by referring to them as "loons, crooks or worse." We have also been accused of being sick, paranoid, delusional, dying minds. But worst of all we were even threatened to be put on a list by these very powerful individuals!

    Right Foot agrees with Left Foot. Get the Loons on a List. Then let them fade in the Mist. Do it again until all gone, then a new Word will Spawn.

    That is a thinly veiled threat to every single one of us, one that I will never ever forget and yet it went unpunished and unaddressed.

    This is at the end of the day a UFO/Paranormal forum and people who use it shouldn't have to fear the might of the US government intelligence apparatus for speaking out of turn!

    It doesn't matter so much now because what is past is prologue.

    But the point I'm trying to make is why should Smelly, someone who ended his time on this forum to live a happy quiet life with his lovely wife, his loyal dogs and his high paying job only to be asked to return to spice things up by none other than Dan himself be treated as such a destructive force to this forum when you have literal deep state ghouls like Dr Ronald Pandolfi and his cohorts who are at the center of (in case anyone needs a reminder) a vast criminal international UFO cover-up that employs violence, coercion, mind control and disinformation to maintain a very tenuous global hegemony?

    At the very least they deserve to be cyberbullied and laughed at on the interwebs.

    But that's just my two cents.

    If that's the last thing I ever say on The Open Minds Forum it was time well spent!

    I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the time you've let me spend on here Cy.

    It's been a ride!

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    Post by dan Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:00 am

    Well, finally, the Princess took pity on the soul of a poor chick 🐣………

    chick was given a briefing of sorts concerning the recent excursion.

    It was all about the global balance of power, and the recent energy deal worked out with Turkey.  

    Whether this deal prolongs the conflict or not remains to be seen.  

    We can only hope for the best.  

    Basically there were three sequential incidents at three locations of which I was only dimly aware at the time.

    The first two encounters provided the Princess bargaining chips to be deployed at the third encounter.  

    The nature of these ‘chips’ remains obscure.

    It was an offer that couldn’t be refused.



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    Post by painterdoug Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:14 am

    i am with Dan today and I support Dans recent post as I was present to these discussions.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:50 am

    All kidding aside, good to see you at your thing Dan with your trusty sidekick painterdude I mean Doug, or as I like to refer to him, dougiepoo.

    Dan and his left and right feet 👣 can talk in their little codes all they like about their projects.

    That’s their shtick.

    Cy, you know I’m a serious soul who doesn’t take himself or anyone too seriously.

    Thank you U, your analysis is spot on and I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Now why is smelly 🐐 here, why are any of us alive, or have the appearance of life?

    Now that is the question isn’t it.

    One I don’t think you can answer.

    No, I do not agree with some of what Dan says.

    That’s cool.

    He wanted me to play along, but I can only be my smelly self.

    That’s how it is.

    And Dan may not say it often, but he knows I’m in the mix and above and below the rest.

    I could and do eat the right and left foot’s lunch.

    I know what’s going on much better than they ever will.

    They are liars, what do you expect.

    I feel their entire operation is a lie and I think they have duped Dan.

    ………………

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    Post by dan Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:49 pm

    Chivo,

    I believe that you have earned some r&r….

    Catch you on the flip side………!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:29 pm

    The frustration of others is their best opportunity to grow.

    Been a pleasure, happy to have served and frustrated.

    Smelly 🐐 out.
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    Post by Foot Mann Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:44 pm

    Good to see the Chicken back on his roost, wahoo! I had been waiting patiently for many months to become a Left Foot and dialog with the Chicken. When I finally was handed the baton, the Chicken was gone. He returned with a slow start……….. [snip]
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    Post by 99 Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:05 pm

    Hi Dan and Doug.... sooooo glad you both popped in today!

    Looking forward to your next posts!
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    Post by dan Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:50 am

    Left foot,

    Do you give any credence to the small, immaterial world?

    A small, immaterial world is also known philosophically as a personalist world.  

    Everything I do on this blog is based on that presupposition.  

    I would be giving no credence to three should I be supposing otherwise.

    There has been a fit between her descriptions of her experiences and my prior understanding of the world….. of the nature of reality.



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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:07 pm

    Being the newest participant on the Blog, my orders from the Princess are to Listen to the Chicken. It will be some time before I have enough understanding to comment on the small, immaterial world. At this point all I can add is that she is free to travel and appear where and when she desires, and she can and has enabled others to do so as well. She contacted me via remote means and left a detailed note in my favorite page in my bible. She has done the same to all Left Feet.
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    Post by dan Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm

    Left Foot,

    We thank you for that information……. something new to me.
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    Post by GSB Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:41 am

    The personal material brain goes on about its business like a quantum computer ... in the past Kit had alluded to "non-endogenous signals" ...

    https://phys.org/news/2022-10-brains-quantum.html

    Dr. Christian Kerskens, lead physicist at the Trinity College Institute of Neuroscience (TCIN), is the co-author of the research article that has just been published in the Journal of Physics Communications. He said, "We adapted an idea, developed for experiments to prove the existence of quantum gravity, whereby you take known quantum systems, which interact with an unknown system. If the known systems entangle, then the unknown must be a quantum system, too. It circumvents the difficulties to find measuring devices for something we know nothing about.

    "For our experiments we used proton spins of 'brain water' as the known system. 'Brain water' builds up naturally as fluid in our brains and the proton spins can be measured using MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). Then, by using a specific MRI design to seek entangled spins, we found MRI signals that resemble heartbeat evoked potentials, a form of EEG signals. EEGs measure electrical brain currents, which some people may recognize from personal experience or simply from watching hospital dramas on TV."



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    Post by dan Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:57 am

    I’m sorry, Gary, this posting does not address any issues of relevance to immaterialism or personalism.

    Referring to articles that happen to mention quantum entanglement is simply not sufficient.

    Gary, if you wish to hang around here, you will have to join in an actual discussion.
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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm

    Breaking News: The Chicken is in the hospital suffering from the effects of COVID vaccinations. Prayers, good wishes, or kind thoughts welcome.
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    Post by 99 Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:33 pm

    Message to Dan:

    Hope you get well soon and I'll keep you in my prayers.
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    Post by GSB Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:38 am

    Get well soon Dan! I'm always wishing for you the best possible outcome in this world!


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